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Emirates (EK) Interview - all you need to know about it (threads merged)

Old 14th Jan 2018, 17:42
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If only some information was available here to answer these questions.
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Old 14th Jan 2018, 17:48
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serenity before asking that fatal question
"anyone happy?"
did you take your time to check this very thread a few posts up and the other five or six threads that appear to be all around this one???
anyway, once more, in a nutshell
very few are happy.
majority is not.
money not keeping up with all the rest.
management is useless to put it mildly.
Every change, from the most trivial to the bigger things, is for the worse.
you are very welcome.

KL
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Old 14th Jan 2018, 17:52
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Does anyone have information about interviews nowadays?
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Old 14th Jan 2018, 18:05
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Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
So if offered a course, can you delay it???
Is it a one off offer only??
What fleets are being recruited on??
Is anyone happy??

Honest answers not whinging please, have big decisions to make!!
Thanks.
You use to be able to choose your time frame. 6 weeks to 14 weeks for the people a few classes before and after mine. I waited 10 weeks from the job offer email.

Both, but nobody seems to be qualified for the 380. They wanted almost 300 for it in 2017, got less than 100. 777 training is running full steam.

KL covered the happy part pretty well. This place has been on a downhill slide every year I have been here.
I am not unhappy, but I have lost my motivation and enthusiasm for EK. I work a little too much, but I love the flying. I enjoy Dubai, but almost nothing is cheap here, so I spend a little and I save a little.
I know and FO here with a wife and 2 kids. They are thrifty with there spending and they manage to save just over $4000 per month.

I know people that are happy. I know many more that are content. I also know many who have left, or are in the process of leaving.

In preparation for a let down when this year's pay review happens, I just started on the only app I will be sending out. Once finished, maybe I will have an option. Time will tell.
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Old 14th Jan 2018, 19:41
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Yes. Got that no one at all in Dubai likes working for EK.
Even from here itís obvious itís not the place it used to be, but then nowhere is. All Downhill over the past 10/15 years, and continuing.

Will have to think very hard about this!!
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 11:37
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Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
Yes. Got that no one at all in Dubai likes working for EK.
Even from here itís obvious itís not the place it used to be, but then nowhere is. All Downhill over the past 10/15 years, and continuing.

Will have to think very hard about this!!
Well Serenity, as we said - it is subjective. Probably depends where you are coming from. If it will represent a big increase in finances for you, and the chance to fly the shiny jet you wanted, then great. Just keep in mind the shiny jet will lose its appeal very fast. The place is very expensive and becoming more so as time goes by. The company has been talked about at length...you can turn a blind eye to the idiotic rules and management style but sooner or later it will wear you down, and nothing has been changing for the better around here (got news today that opting-out of company accommodation is not possible now until further notice - awesome.)

The other thing to keep in mind is you are locked in with a $42,000 bond over 5 years - so think carefully if you want to commit to that, considering the nature of the place.

An added bonus now - the volatility of the region! The place has always been volatile, but not like it has been lately. Earlier in the news was a story about a local royal being held against his will, and now you find an EK plane being intercepted by the neighbours. On top of that the whole Saudi and friends vs. Iran thing. Doesn't look like it's headed in a nice direction. If you're single...come on down if you really can't find a better gig. But bringing family to this place with all that going on, think twice. Think three times. Think....you get the point.

Good luck
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 04:22
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Originally Posted by EKamActions View Post
got news today that opting-out of company accommodation is not possible now until further notice - awesome.)
Can you elaborate on this? Checked email but saw nothing.... I'm aware of no option to rent but is there anything new?

Already opted out myself, but I'm curious.......
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 18:06
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Originally Posted by sealear View Post
Can you elaborate on this? Checked email but saw nothing.... I'm aware of no option to rent but is there anything new?

Already opted out myself, but I'm curious.......
Probably they only sent it to the ones who have not opted out. It was just an email saying that due to the 'challenging times', opting out of company accommodation will not be possible until further notice. If you are already receiving the allowance then no worries. For those of us who want to opt out, the only way would be to purchase property here. Maybe I can get a nice penthouse in International City...
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 20:58
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My experience in the Sim Session on the first interview day !

I was taken to the sim assessment by two EK examiners. First flight was a visual traffic pattern. I did everything well, no big problems. The second was eng failure after V1. I did what I had to do. I will directly come to the point. The examiner sitting behind gave me a HDG to intercept LOC. The configuration was like that:

FDs OFF
AT OFF
AP Disengaged

They requested me to do a raw data approach for ILS12L. With the configuration above, I flew manually to follow LOC diamond on the PFD. When the LOC was alive, I started slightly turning left to intercept the LOC. The guy sitting at the back froze the sim and started asking questions. He asked me what I was doing. I said I was following the LOC diamond! He asked what I do normally when I was cleared for an ILS approach, and I said I was trying to follow the diamonds, I did not understand what he meant because he was giving me hard times and I was completely sweaty due to the fact that it was an interview flight! He was standing up and talking very rude bla bla bla. When I was trying to explain myself, he even said "do not talk to me like that, just say that I did a mistake and then I will accept it" !! The guy next to me was staring at me as if I was doing a very big mistake. Then they said I should have armed the APP by asking the PM before intercepting the ILS, but what was it for ? !! There was no FD on the PFD, and I was expected to fly a raw data approach! What is the benefit of arming the APP mode here? Then they started acting like I do not know what to do when cleared for ILS Approach/ Well ,let me tell you something; If I don't know when to arm the APP mode, how come I came this far for the last 5 years in line flights? I was surprised about the treatment in the sim, and I wanted to finish the session and leave immediately. I hated the attitude and the CRM there. Afterwards, I armed the APP as they asked before intercepting the LOC, and of course only the FMA changed! I completed the sim and the result is failure now! I am so disappointed.. Maybe this result is better for me.. I just felt that unnecessary pressure even in the interview sim session. I can't imagine how they treat inside the company during Sim Check Flights!
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Old 17th Jan 2018, 04:23
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Warhammer, welcome to EK and every recurrent is just as you described. They might as well destroy your morale in the interview sim because why wait until the 1st PPC??

Thanks EKam, sounds like they extended it then. All part of the plan to push everyone to MS......
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 00:55
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Originally Posted by sealear
Warhammer, welcome to EK and every recurrent is just as you described.
Time for a reality check. This quote is total boll0cks!!
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 23:21
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warhammer, sorry to hear of your experience. We only have a few of those guys, thankfully, but it sounds you like you got one of them.

I have flown many raw data approaches and have never, ever, "armed" the approach. As you stated, it is raw data and pointless to do so.
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 00:03
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Originally Posted by warhammer View Post
Afterwards, I armed the APP as they asked before intercepting the LOC, and of course only the FMA changed!
Hang on,

I am just trying to understand, possibly I am wrong. If you are flying a raw data approach with no FDs, No AP and no A/T, the FMA would be blank and would remain blank even if you try to engage the APP mode. I dont understand how the FMA changed when you armed the approach ( dont even think you would be able to arm it).

Having said that I have to agree with all said about Emirates training department here, one of the reasons why I left not even 18 months after I joined.

Good luck to all guys still there and hope you can get out soon :-)

KR.
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 00:09
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Originally Posted by White Knight View Post
Time for a reality check. This quote is total boll0cks!!
True, but the intent is accurate. Sealear wasn't being literal.

The number of inconsistencies within the EK training department, and the number of outright fools who state things that show they genuinely have no understanding of aviation was ever growing before I left. They were very easy to pick - any questioning of what they were explaining to delve deeper quietly showed an embarrassing lack of depth.

But hey, isn't 'Knowledge' one of the key markers? And from what the pyramid was built from? Not for all trainers it seemed.
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 02:05
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Originally Posted by warhammer
Afterwards, I armed the APP as they asked before intercepting the LOC, and of course only the FMA changed!
I'm guessing then, if the FMA changed, that you were doing the single engine ILS part of the exercise? No AP but FDs available?

Seems to me the guys in the sim with you were possibly doing us a favour!
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 06:54
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I think WK has got it right , perhaps some confusion over the definition of a raw data approach . Most recruitment pilots are reasonable guys and will drop a subtle hint if required to bring the candidate back in the loop , sometimes that doesnít help much .. thatís why itís called selection
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 10:36
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Looks like they only need to recruit a bit over 800 pilots in the next 12 months. A walk in the park really as the jets really are big and shiny.
Only a bit over half that number is because of attrition. So I can't see any business case in trying to retain pilots at all. Well, maybe just a little case.
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 21:48
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Originally Posted by Mister View Post
Hang on,

I am just trying to understand, possibly I am wrong. If you are flying a raw data approach with no FDs, No AP and no A/T, the FMA would be blank and would remain blank even if you try to engage the APP mode. I dont understand how the FMA changed when you armed the approach ( dont even think you would be able to arm it).

Having said that I have to agree with all said about Emirates training department here, one of the reasons why I left not even 18 months after I joined.

Good luck to all guys still there and hope you can get out soon :-)

KR.
Well, the second leg was, as I said, one eng inop takeoff and there was no FDs. As soon as I armed the APP when turning inbound, loc and g/s armed on FMA since I chose the approach on fmc for ILS12L, then LOC captured! The last leg was both eng operative ILS approach with FDs ON.
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 22:02
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Originally Posted by Jack D View Post
I think WK has got it right , perhaps some confusion over the definition of a raw data approach . Most recruitment pilots are reasonable guys and will drop a subtle hint if required to bring the candidate back in the loop , sometimes that doesnít help much .. thatís why itís called selection
Haha!
I'm not a candidate, I'm a successful pilot who know when to arm the damn APP mode. Never ever failed on any sim flights for the last 5 years, including line checks. If you want to make the sim difficult, not a problem, very easy. If you want to fail somebody, no matter how successful he is, not a big deal, very easy. But the overall attitude was not acceptable in EK sim session, and EK was also in a selection period for me during this time. Believe me I wouldn't apply again for any position within EK. So, good luck for everybody who thinks EK is their future company to work.
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 22:50
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Originally Posted by warhammer View Post
one eng inop takeoff and there was no FDs
Iím not sure that I could do a one engine inop takeoff either. I salute you
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