Iran: UAE evacuation plan.
The talk of UAE evacuation brings back memories.
I was in Oman at the time of the Iranian Islamic Revolution, working for a US company. With the US fear of an imminent invasion by Iranian revolutionaries, the other Department Heads and I were summoned to a meeting by the Project Manager and representatives from the US embassy. The latter then went on to explain what arrangements had been made for evacuation of US citizens, one suitcase each, get yourself to the Intercontinental Hotel, from where you would be ferried out to US naval ships.
Pointing out that myself, family and many other employees were Brits, I enquired what arrangements had been made for us. It was indicated that there "should be no problem, so just come along too".
Being a little P***ed off I offered my help, as an ATCO, and ATC were invariably the first to know if anything was happening, myself, family and all the other Brit employees would ring the embassy and advise them of the invasion -from our hotel in Bahrain! The Project Manager saw the funny side, the embassy staff had a complete sense of humour failure.
I was in Oman at the time of the Iranian Islamic Revolution, working for a US company. With the US fear of an imminent invasion by Iranian revolutionaries, the other Department Heads and I were summoned to a meeting by the Project Manager and representatives from the US embassy. The latter then went on to explain what arrangements had been made for evacuation of US citizens, one suitcase each, get yourself to the Intercontinental Hotel, from where you would be ferried out to US naval ships.
Pointing out that myself, family and many other employees were Brits, I enquired what arrangements had been made for us. It was indicated that there "should be no problem, so just come along too".
Being a little P***ed off I offered my help, as an ATCO, and ATC were invariably the first to know if anything was happening, myself, family and all the other Brit employees would ring the embassy and advise them of the invasion -from our hotel in Bahrain! The Project Manager saw the funny side, the embassy staff had a complete sense of humour failure.
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Anyone expecting their arses to be saved by the Foreign Office if the balloon goes up are going to be extremley dissappointed.
Best bet is half a dozen jerry cans of petrol in the garage with the 4x4 and a cross country map to Oman.
Best bet is half a dozen jerry cans of petrol in the garage with the 4x4 and a cross country map to Oman.
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However, Europe might have been better off with the germans really, as proven by the recent american way of running the show........... your financial debacle.
As international catastrophies occur globally, it's the world's nations that cry and whine about getting more US Aid. Ironically, while the US was lambased for not providing enough aid to Pakistan recently in the flooding, the US remained the single largest contributor. Moreover, while Pakistanis blew up and destroyed the aid coming in, and complained about US troops and military transport bringing the aid, they cried louder that they wanted more. Then they whined because the aid packages had a US flag on them. Give us your money, give us food, save our souls, but don't you dare tell anyone who you are. Typical.
When the Haiti earthquake occurred, the cry went out that the US wasn't doing enough, despite providing the majority of the aid, and despite having dumped ungodly sums of money into the country just prior to the earthquake. In fact, in many of the international woes, the US is often the single largest contributor of material, often personnel, and funds. This in the midst of global financial crisis.
You're hardly in a position to cast stones at the United States in the midst of European debt.
So you score there hands down.
So given the american or german way I'll take the latter anytime.
Thought so.
Then the Iraq invasion and the pretences that caused it were actually proven to have no substance, and knowing this they still invaded.
With so many casualties and many years on, what have you actually liberated there?
With so many casualties and many years on, what have you actually liberated there?
I don't think we should ever have gone to Iraq, but then I don't make that choice. r Having gone to Iraq, however, I firmly believe that we should have hit it harder and pushed it harder than we did, for a longer term, and thorougly subdued it; that was a shortcoming. Again, not my choice. The former President of the United States made that choice based on a political agenda. He was quite correct about the stockpiles of chemical weapons, however. Those weapons were most definitely in country, and much of those stockpiles presently reside across borders very near to Iraq.
You may recall the edicts of Hans Blix, however, who represented not the United States, but the entire UN Security Council in numerous edicts to Saddam regarding a willingness to show the world what he had or did not have. Saddam refused and made a mockery. He brought action on himself. He should have been acted upon much sooner, and by a decisive UN action. It was Blix, in fact, who made that same statement in 2003 when addressing the Security Council.
The US wasn't the only nation fighting in Iraq, incidentally. While there, I met many other nationalities. At one point, in fact, I was one of many who replaced the British in Basrah.
Having lost the war, and paid a huge price subsequently, they are not broke, unlike the Fed because they do not believe in credit, spending and Hannnnna moontana.
Freedom in the US? From a citizens point of view its more like chained dogs on a leash. Rigged elections, iris scans, very fair healthcare, pathetic rhetorics such as ''too big to fail'' and more guns on the street than the whole defence force, is what defines freedom?
If you really want to get into it, we can certainly show how well gun control worked out for Great Britain, but you won't like it.
Rigged elections? Iris scans? You've been watching too much BBC.
This is not a personal attack on your way of life,..
This is not a personal attack on your way of life, I have many american friends and feel that the average americans are good fellows, but its more of an observation as logic is unable to provide us with an answer why you think that you are actually free or bearers of freedom.
Do we think we are the bearers of freedom? No. We do promote an agenda of democratic freedom for all people, in which the people of any country can and should have a say in their government, their officials, and their laws. Do we bring freedom to Iraq and Afghanistan, where clitoral mutilation and genocide are accepted societal norms, where education of women is actively denied, and where slaughter, repression, and the rape of young men is encouraged and openly practiced? Yes, we do promote an agenda of freedom, election, education, clean water, electricity, transportation, medicine, and safety. When the soviets used Afghanistan as their personal killing ground to train troops, which nation poured billions into backing the people of the poorest nation on earth? The United States. Today when the Muj have outgrown themselves and have become a ruthless and oppressive force, who protects the villages from the onslaught of the Taliban? ISAF, of which the US is a major player. Who spends the most money to clear landmines from the most heavily mined land on the planet, mines we certainly didn't put there, but which we remove one at a time, at great risk to life and limb? The United States.
"Stay in your box" is a wonderfully arrogant statement, the ability of which to make has only been bought by the blood sacrifice of the US soldier, and the dollar contribution of the US citizen. Even in the moments of crisis when the US is insulted and slapped, the US contributes, even when the ungrateful recipients want the food and supplies, but whine about knowing where they got them.
I've flown trips into various sites, laden with hundreds of thousands of pounds of supplies to be given to the starving, the cold, the wet, the oppressed. I've given my own meal on the flight to those who came on board wanting anything I could give them, and I did; we all did. Perhaps that would be evidence of American aggression and oppression. How dare we donate billions of dollars, hundreds of thousands of our lives, millions of gallons of our blood, and our time, our effort, our sweat, and ourselves, to aid the world. What could we possibly be thinking?
Yankee go home. Until we need you again. Please come running when you hear us cry. Until then, go home. We don't need you.
Uh-huh. Try that under the Third Reich.
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Your retort sums your knowledge quite succinctly.Highlighting snippets instead of my whole paragraph just shows how immature and unable you are to hold a logical debate.
Which paragraphs would you prefer addressed in greater detail. We can go as deep as you want.
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Just get this thread back on track. At present there is let say "concern" from GHQ (UAE military), that put quite simply they do not have enough bum's on seats. In fact the signing up of the younger generation to go into any of the areas, is no where near to maintain sustainabilty. So as Iran's getting a bit twitchy, the british and other countries that see and deal with GHQ see the indications that can unfold in many years to come, and at the moment things are being put in place lets say slowly "very slowly" as it is the middle east.
Personally I think the UAE should implement mandatory national service for a minimum of 5 years, and in doing so maintain the defence of their country.
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Personally I think the UAE should implement mandatory national service for a minimum of 5 years, and in doing so maintain the defence of their country.
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Best bet is half a dozen jerry cans of petrol in the garage with the 4x4 and a cross country map to Oman.
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SNS3Guppy, your replies suggest that you are a humanitarian aid worker, and therefore your posts demonstrate little or no knowledge on economic or foreign policy so keep going with your nobel cause, as your country's foreign policy clearly ain't!
but then. let's take it from the source. A self-styled english lord.
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If there is some sort of military action against Iran the price of oil will go into orbit. 200$ PB is easily conceivable and it probably wouldn't stop there.
Be interesting to know if the airlines have a contingency plan for such an event.
Happy New Year.
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Be interesting to know if the airlines have a contingency plan for such an event.
Happy New Year.
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Religion
It's all about religion. That's where te real power of mass manipulation is situated. So I really believe that Iran is able to destabilise Iraq. A new Persia may be in the making.
They have nothing to do with the Arabs it's a different kind of bread.
Turkey will NOT get in the EU and will get closer to Iran and Iraq.
But what really is going on is that the Arabs do not really care about what is going on in Israel with regard to the faith of the Palestinians. The Persians have a different agenda in this regard.
They have nothing to do with the Arabs it's a different kind of bread.
Turkey will NOT get in the EU and will get closer to Iran and Iraq.
But what really is going on is that the Arabs do not really care about what is going on in Israel with regard to the faith of the Palestinians. The Persians have a different agenda in this regard.
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It's never been about religion. Religion in the region is little more than a tool for each interest group to leverage the masses beneath them, and that ranges from the Saudi family to the governments in the Emirates, to Palestine, to Iran. Religion is a distraction; the politics exist without it; religion is little more than a tool for them.
Whatever differences exist between the Keeper of the Two Holy Mosques and Israel are meaningless in the event of military action. The Israelis are ready and very willing to hit Iran, and Iran keeps rattling the cage. Give it time, and folks in Dubai are going to see war up close and personal.
Iran is pouring money and effort into maintaining destabilization in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and is biding it's time on Iraq. Iran has been pouring weapons and personnel, and providing training for insurgency in Iraq, and well as promoting very large sums of money as rewards for terrorist actions in Iraq. For several years now, the reward money paid to Iraqi criminals has largely come out of Iran.
The Iranian people are fed up. Insurrection is a boiling undercurrent there, and any solid signs in destabilization will certainly encourage the people. The people are not necessarily with the government, and it's definitely NOT a religious issue. That makes the Iran a potentially very unstable country. That makes Iran a threat to other nations in the region. Whereas operations in Iraq and Afghanistan have largely been orderly, military operations, Iran threatens to become a destabilizing force for the region. It may also certainly threaten nearby populations, and that most definitely includes UAE.
Anybody who lives in the region should give careful thought to their options should things change. Whether it's starting with stockpiling food and water, or having transportation means ready, to ensuring that their embassy has current details on file, one really ought not wait for a balance of power, military action, insurrection, or other action to cause a potential change in the balance of power. For expats and infidels, you can certainlky et that religion may come into play, if only as a weapon used to edge whatever balance of power may be.
Dubai is a great city, full of modern conveniences, expensive architecture, and world business. It's an attractive place to be. It's very friendly to the west, it's got easy transport anywhere in the world, even easy transport across town. It's also a step from catastrophe if money, oil, or a stable government is cut off. It's an expensive place, and a hard place to survive if one doesn't have a solid income, especially for a foreigner. As nice as it may be, and as full of modern conveniences as it is, it's no different than the rest of the middle east. There's nowhere that should be considered "safe," particularly to expats. The relative degree of comfort and complacency that most enjoy now can easily disappear in a heartbeat, weather at the hands of terrorists or at the hands of nationalized interests from any number of sources.
Perhaps an evacuation plan isn't news, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be taken seriously.
Whatever differences exist between the Keeper of the Two Holy Mosques and Israel are meaningless in the event of military action. The Israelis are ready and very willing to hit Iran, and Iran keeps rattling the cage. Give it time, and folks in Dubai are going to see war up close and personal.
Iran is pouring money and effort into maintaining destabilization in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and is biding it's time on Iraq. Iran has been pouring weapons and personnel, and providing training for insurgency in Iraq, and well as promoting very large sums of money as rewards for terrorist actions in Iraq. For several years now, the reward money paid to Iraqi criminals has largely come out of Iran.
The Iranian people are fed up. Insurrection is a boiling undercurrent there, and any solid signs in destabilization will certainly encourage the people. The people are not necessarily with the government, and it's definitely NOT a religious issue. That makes the Iran a potentially very unstable country. That makes Iran a threat to other nations in the region. Whereas operations in Iraq and Afghanistan have largely been orderly, military operations, Iran threatens to become a destabilizing force for the region. It may also certainly threaten nearby populations, and that most definitely includes UAE.
Anybody who lives in the region should give careful thought to their options should things change. Whether it's starting with stockpiling food and water, or having transportation means ready, to ensuring that their embassy has current details on file, one really ought not wait for a balance of power, military action, insurrection, or other action to cause a potential change in the balance of power. For expats and infidels, you can certainlky et that religion may come into play, if only as a weapon used to edge whatever balance of power may be.
Dubai is a great city, full of modern conveniences, expensive architecture, and world business. It's an attractive place to be. It's very friendly to the west, it's got easy transport anywhere in the world, even easy transport across town. It's also a step from catastrophe if money, oil, or a stable government is cut off. It's an expensive place, and a hard place to survive if one doesn't have a solid income, especially for a foreigner. As nice as it may be, and as full of modern conveniences as it is, it's no different than the rest of the middle east. There's nowhere that should be considered "safe," particularly to expats. The relative degree of comfort and complacency that most enjoy now can easily disappear in a heartbeat, weather at the hands of terrorists or at the hands of nationalized interests from any number of sources.
Perhaps an evacuation plan isn't news, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be taken seriously.
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You disagree with what I wrote and yet you confirm every single argument.
In the ME you get access to the masses via religion. That is not the same as having a religious point of vieuw.
We are talking about manipulation of the uneducated masses not the Koran but access to them goes via the same path.
The UAE is a dangerous place. All is based on who you know and how they can use each other. There are no moral values anymore. A bit the same as the USA.
Simple really.
Almost everything is in contradiction with Islamic values as in the USA everthing is in contradiction with christian values.
If you have your heart in the right place you WILL get in trouble in the UAE, it is unavoidable.
From a humanitarian standpoint the UAE is bankrupt as is the USA and that situation can be easily exploited by those who get the masses behind them. Same in the USA.
Iran will not attack the UAE. But the UAE will be affected indirectly if Iran AND Irak decide to reinstate the former Persian empire.
If you live in the UAE you must have a plan to get out of there available at all times.
In the ME you get access to the masses via religion. That is not the same as having a religious point of vieuw.
We are talking about manipulation of the uneducated masses not the Koran but access to them goes via the same path.
The UAE is a dangerous place. All is based on who you know and how they can use each other. There are no moral values anymore. A bit the same as the USA.
Simple really.
Almost everything is in contradiction with Islamic values as in the USA everthing is in contradiction with christian values.
If you have your heart in the right place you WILL get in trouble in the UAE, it is unavoidable.
From a humanitarian standpoint the UAE is bankrupt as is the USA and that situation can be easily exploited by those who get the masses behind them. Same in the USA.
Iran will not attack the UAE. But the UAE will be affected indirectly if Iran AND Irak decide to reinstate the former Persian empire.
If you live in the UAE you must have a plan to get out of there available at all times.
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but what happened globally was not the fault nor caused by the US
g joke!! 
Iraq most certainly did have weapons of mass destruction
About "pumping billions into Germany" after WWII, the marshal plan was a great scheme to access the emerging German market and make it a bastion against the Commies, no humanitarian reasons whatsoever!
You really should stop watching "faux news"
Just have a look at the latest US news, tragically the christian Taliban, Beck, Palin and the other right wingnuts whipping the "land of the free" into a frenzy of hate!!
...back to the topic, personal evacuation plan executed
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You really should stop watching "faux news"
I've lived in several of the places under discussion, however, including locations on both sides of Iran, and have some personal knowledge of the influence, actions, and underhanded operations of that nation.
As for the rest, I believe the moderator has been quite specific about not tolerating any further deviation from the thread topic into those areas.
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Heck,
the amount of rhetoric speculation and ill informed gut feeling on here is breathtaking
SN3, its an open secret that the Mullahs and their minions have for years sought to undermine the Sunni in Iraq, Afghan, as well as a few more places within the region. Its a stated foreign policy aim of dinner jacket to increase Iran's influence in the region such that they are able to usurp the Saudi/US relationship, and hence become the regional superpower.
The continued antagonizing of Israel plays well at home in Iran, but counts for little other than serving to remind everyone how Israel (with the help of the US) would wipe the floor with Iran should they seriously want to step out of the box.
Iranian regime is playing the long game in its quest to become a nuclear power...it also is currently in a win win situation with the Arab street. Simply put, if someone intervenes militarily...Iran cries foul..zionists..the great Satan etc etc and gains further propaganda points or, it continues to rattle its sabre (which in my considered opinion is its plan A, B, C and D) so that it keeps the pressure up, all without having to do a great deal of anything other than working quietly away at developing fissile material.
Put all this into the big picture..and 2 things become clear...Iran will not be attacked in any significant sense in the foreseeable future as doing so overtly would be counterproductive, secondly, a policy of covert containment will continue with most of the moderate Gulf and Mideast states being involved (the US will be the proxy of the Israeli's so that the US can maintain sensible relations with other gulf partners...the UAE included)
Finally I would suggest that it is unlikely at best that the UAE will be targeted militarily by Iran, but it is entirely possible that Iranian sponsored elements could seek to disrupt western interests.
Meanwhile business as usual will take place along Iran's borders, not also forgetting the very warm covert action that is taking place inside Iran as we speak.
the amount of rhetoric speculation and ill informed gut feeling on here is breathtaking
SN3, its an open secret that the Mullahs and their minions have for years sought to undermine the Sunni in Iraq, Afghan, as well as a few more places within the region. Its a stated foreign policy aim of dinner jacket to increase Iran's influence in the region such that they are able to usurp the Saudi/US relationship, and hence become the regional superpower.
The continued antagonizing of Israel plays well at home in Iran, but counts for little other than serving to remind everyone how Israel (with the help of the US) would wipe the floor with Iran should they seriously want to step out of the box.
Iranian regime is playing the long game in its quest to become a nuclear power...it also is currently in a win win situation with the Arab street. Simply put, if someone intervenes militarily...Iran cries foul..zionists..the great Satan etc etc and gains further propaganda points or, it continues to rattle its sabre (which in my considered opinion is its plan A, B, C and D) so that it keeps the pressure up, all without having to do a great deal of anything other than working quietly away at developing fissile material.
Put all this into the big picture..and 2 things become clear...Iran will not be attacked in any significant sense in the foreseeable future as doing so overtly would be counterproductive, secondly, a policy of covert containment will continue with most of the moderate Gulf and Mideast states being involved (the US will be the proxy of the Israeli's so that the US can maintain sensible relations with other gulf partners...the UAE included)
Finally I would suggest that it is unlikely at best that the UAE will be targeted militarily by Iran, but it is entirely possible that Iranian sponsored elements could seek to disrupt western interests.
Meanwhile business as usual will take place along Iran's borders, not also forgetting the very warm covert action that is taking place inside Iran as we speak.
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The US could perhaps focus a bit of energy on getting its own people out of debt, creation of jobs,health care for every citizen and organise a fat loss campaign instead of telling the world how to live.
A jet crashed in Iran....no maintenance parts because of......yes sanctions.But does the western media report the workings behind the scenes?
Who doesn't actually recognise Christmas, any guesses from the free shooters?
As the posts suggest most here have no clue about the known unknowns, but the Pailin supporters clearly haven't a clue just like her.
We all are entitled to opinions and this is mine one if thats ok.
And as for evacuating you guys get on with it I am staying put smoking some shisha!
A jet crashed in Iran....no maintenance parts because of......yes sanctions.But does the western media report the workings behind the scenes?
The Germans call it Christmas too,together with Islamic nations, what do you guys call it again?
As the posts suggest most here have no clue about the known unknowns, but the Pailin supporters clearly haven't a clue just like her.
We all are entitled to opinions and this is mine one if thats ok.
And as for evacuating you guys get on with it I am staying put smoking some shisha!
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This is probably piolitically incorrect, but sometimes someone has to become Devil's advocate
Iraq is a battlefield with many different actors fighting on it. It wouln't be should GW Bush have not decided to invade it. Now, US should not complain about Iran or any other ME power destabilizing here or there. If they don't like it they should go. Well, that is what they are doing. And they will also leave Afghanistan, eventually. Both of them big mistakes. US can only withdraw or genocide those countries. Nobody expects the latter from the first democracy of the world.
US can preemptively bomb a country (with more tons of explosive than during the whole world war only to find out there was no reason for the attack because there were not mass destruction weapons) and occupy that country for 8 years but Iran can't "destabilise" it?
There is only one usurper of US/saudi relations: Israel. As put by Mearsheimer and Walt, the hawkish policy of Israel and US has been very bad for both countries interests. So much so that today it would be ten times more difficult for the US to gather the international support and legitimation to make a preemptive attack on Iran, if that was US intention. Probably they would prefer an israeli attack. As for Israel, ten years ago was in a relatively stable situation. Now the situation is highly volatile, which is never good for Israel. Israel is a country with no margin for error in matters or war. They shouldn't be so trigger happy.
The world, and particularly the ME looks now like a chess board after many movements without "casualties", crammed with the deployed pawns, bishops and horses. Any time the fight can begin and leave the board half empty. Too many years of post-cold, cold war. Too many preparations. If something triggers the fight, hell is going to break loose.
If the Israelis want to bomb Bushehr, the Saudis will open the sky for them, that is for sure. US is arming both with brand new fighter bombers, including stealth ones. But what would happen then?
If the iranians surprise every body with nuclear bomb tests or something like that, what would happen then?
If the iranian regime was overthrown... Well: this is not going to happen so I won't bother to speculate about that. Too good to be true, but not even the CIA, mosad or any other can do that.
GW Bush screw it totally and now the world has to choose between to evils. a nuclear Iran or...
This is probably piolitically incorrect, but sometimes someone has to become Devil's advocate
Iraq is a battlefield with many different actors fighting on it. It wouln't be should GW Bush have not decided to invade it. Now, US should not complain about Iran or any other ME power destabilizing here or there. If they don't like it they should go. Well, that is what they are doing. And they will also leave Afghanistan, eventually. Both of them big mistakes. US can only withdraw or genocide those countries. Nobody expects the latter from the first democracy of the world.
US can preemptively bomb a country (with more tons of explosive than during the whole world war only to find out there was no reason for the attack because there were not mass destruction weapons) and occupy that country for 8 years but Iran can't "destabilise" it?
There is only one usurper of US/saudi relations: Israel. As put by Mearsheimer and Walt, the hawkish policy of Israel and US has been very bad for both countries interests. So much so that today it would be ten times more difficult for the US to gather the international support and legitimation to make a preemptive attack on Iran, if that was US intention. Probably they would prefer an israeli attack. As for Israel, ten years ago was in a relatively stable situation. Now the situation is highly volatile, which is never good for Israel. Israel is a country with no margin for error in matters or war. They shouldn't be so trigger happy.
The world, and particularly the ME looks now like a chess board after many movements without "casualties", crammed with the deployed pawns, bishops and horses. Any time the fight can begin and leave the board half empty. Too many years of post-cold, cold war. Too many preparations. If something triggers the fight, hell is going to break loose.
If the Israelis want to bomb Bushehr, the Saudis will open the sky for them, that is for sure. US is arming both with brand new fighter bombers, including stealth ones. But what would happen then?
If the iranians surprise every body with nuclear bomb tests or something like that, what would happen then?
If the iranian regime was overthrown... Well: this is not going to happen so I won't bother to speculate about that. Too good to be true, but not even the CIA, mosad or any other can do that.
GW Bush screw it totally and now the world has to choose between to evils. a nuclear Iran or...
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I'm not certain you have understood my points here, so let me set out my stall, and perhaps we might even agree with each other.
Being Devils advocate can sometimes cloud the issue.
Heres why I think what I currently think.
1st and foremost, Israel will not be the cause of a US/Saudi relationship breakdown..it may publicly be used as a convenient vehicle by the house of Saudi to distance itself over certain issues, but I thats about it...
Why you ask?
Bush Memoir: Israel Bombed Syrian Reactor gives a basic overview, as does The Story of 'Operation Orchard': How Israel Destroyed Syria's Al Kibar Nuclear Reactor - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International
this.
The lack of outrage...infact conspicuous silence from other nearby Arab nations has to be considered Tacit approval.
Yes certainly there are the usual howls of idignation...but behind closed doors, many Arab regimes are very happy for the US/Israel to do their bidding..including Saudi.
I agree with you that it would be 10 times..nay 100 times more difficult for the US to assemble a "coalition of the willing" which is why Israel will carry out any further overt action in Iran.
I would expect the Jordanians, as well as the Kuwaiti's and Iraq to open airspace as well, with the upshot being pretty much silence from most Arab nations..
Just my thoughts
No war in the foreseeable future in this context
I'm not certain you have understood my points here, so let me set out my stall, and perhaps we might even agree with each other.
Being Devils advocate can sometimes cloud the issue.
Heres why I think what I currently think.
1st and foremost, Israel will not be the cause of a US/Saudi relationship breakdown..it may publicly be used as a convenient vehicle by the house of Saudi to distance itself over certain issues, but I thats about it...
Why you ask?
Bush Memoir: Israel Bombed Syrian Reactor gives a basic overview, as does The Story of 'Operation Orchard': How Israel Destroyed Syria's Al Kibar Nuclear Reactor - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International
this.
The lack of outrage...infact conspicuous silence from other nearby Arab nations has to be considered Tacit approval.
Yes certainly there are the usual howls of idignation...but behind closed doors, many Arab regimes are very happy for the US/Israel to do their bidding..including Saudi.
I agree with you that it would be 10 times..nay 100 times more difficult for the US to assemble a "coalition of the willing" which is why Israel will carry out any further overt action in Iran.
If the Israelis want to bomb Bushehr, the Saudis will open the sky for them, that is for sure. US is arming both with brand new fighter bombers, including stealth ones. But what would happen then?
Just my thoughts
No war in the foreseeable future in this context
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A jet crashed in Iran....no maintenance parts because of......yes sanctions
