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I take the time...
Standard screening. PSYCH, GROUP, SIM, INTERVIEW etc etc...
You will fly the type you are rated on.
Don't count on move to 330 never happened if not for those with previous 330 time. Anyway it will take quite a bit ( years) as you have thousand of local captains in front.
Days off on narrow body 8 as TypeIV states, sometimes 4 attached..commuting quite tight anyway.
Standard screening. PSYCH, GROUP, SIM, INTERVIEW etc etc...
You will fly the type you are rated on.
Don't count on move to 330 never happened if not for those with previous 330 time. Anyway it will take quite a bit ( years) as you have thousand of local captains in front.
Days off on narrow body 8 as TypeIV states, sometimes 4 attached..commuting quite tight anyway.
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not true.. few senior expat Capt from the A320 have transitioned to the 330 and 777.. the fact is that they are getting in excess of 30 widebodies ( by the end of 2016 ) means that there is a high probability of expact movements between the fleets...
also a very strong rumour that they are in negotiation to hire 2x 380 at the moment as they are running into slot issue with some destinations as locals authorities are resisting increased frequency so THY most likely will increase the seat capacity..
and they trashed the university requirement for F.O upgrades (both locals and expats) and now require 4500 if you have a degree or YOK equivalence or 6500hs without it ..
spoke to a few friends from EK about the time to command and when you compare EK to THY ... if THY stays true by removing the uni qualification all together along with upgrading expats then time to command will shorter in THY.. (110+ narrow buses, 90+737's 40+ Widbodies.. plus the talk for a possible A350/777 order (H.T comments at the pilot meeting) rumours of the 380 bite... and the bigger airport being built just north.. the growth and progression looks more promising at THY for now... but this is aviation and as such NO guarantees at all
Don't count on move to 330 never happened if not for those with previous 330 time
also a very strong rumour that they are in negotiation to hire 2x 380 at the moment as they are running into slot issue with some destinations as locals authorities are resisting increased frequency so THY most likely will increase the seat capacity..
and they trashed the university requirement for F.O upgrades (both locals and expats) and now require 4500 if you have a degree or YOK equivalence or 6500hs without it ..
spoke to a few friends from EK about the time to command and when you compare EK to THY ... if THY stays true by removing the uni qualification all together along with upgrading expats then time to command will shorter in THY.. (110+ narrow buses, 90+737's 40+ Widbodies.. plus the talk for a possible A350/777 order (H.T comments at the pilot meeting) rumours of the 380 bite... and the bigger airport being built just north.. the growth and progression looks more promising at THY for now... but this is aviation and as such NO guarantees at all
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Assesment for 320 f/o
hey bro i mite be having a assessment in the next few weeks in istanbul, i applied as a experienced 320 f/o, do you have any gauges on what to expect for the interview i will have in istanbul ? thanks for your help really appreciated
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Upgrade to command
The only thing that you can say at the moment is that there are no expats FO upgraded to Captain on any fleet at this moment in THY. Everything are rumours and promises but nothing has been done on this subject at this time... And all the rules on seniority list in the Company and regulations about this subject are on benefit of local pilots...
In the other hand, most of the Captains in EK are expats.... So, you can think about this...
Many brokers are telling some false information to the FO applicants about the conditions in THY: more salarie than the real one (not to mention the rate euro-turkish lira), possibility to quick upgrade (no expat has been upgraded till now), some bonus for housing (this is just for Captains on long haul) and other things (not many things more).... Be careful with this, ask for detailed information and compare it with your colleagues flying in THY...
Have nice flights!!
In the other hand, most of the Captains in EK are expats.... So, you can think about this...
Many brokers are telling some false information to the FO applicants about the conditions in THY: more salarie than the real one (not to mention the rate euro-turkish lira), possibility to quick upgrade (no expat has been upgraded till now), some bonus for housing (this is just for Captains on long haul) and other things (not many things more).... Be careful with this, ask for detailed information and compare it with your colleagues flying in THY...
Have nice flights!!
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I heard THY is in deep troubles in crewing its aircraft and I'm not surprised. The self serving and utilitarian attitude has been uncovered and its quite righteously hitting back on their stubborn heads like a boomerang. G4FORCE..mate stop lying. THY has been lying on contract duration , license requirement, career opportunities and so on for years now. I still have friends there , some more than 5 years on narrow body and no one has been moved to long haul if not a few with previous long haul experience and just to make it possible for the new chief pilot ( a Turkish DEC) to move himself. Expat FO at the contrary have been apparently sent to the back of the seniority list with no explanations to make space for the sons of the heroic local "hocam" in what, if true, can be defined as a demonstration of the real attitude of this people that has no definition.
No FO has been upgraded and there are just rumors about it. Still I really would not like to be in the shoes of any expat in an upgrade course there, most probably a nightmare seen the evident general xenophobic attitude.. imagine TRIs now "even" having to promote a " yabancy"....
For the rest all information are available here. THY remains a good option for young P2F kids unexperienced furloughed youngsters ( not really what the company needs seen the appalling professional level and the possibility the otto- manic dream being suddenly interrupted by a further accident.. God wish not ! ) people that failed screening with EK and EY ect, for CPT coming from some shady/secondary outfits, for retired long haul captains ( they got the best deal with housing provided) looking for some extra money in a forgiving environment , other desperate individuals and even sometimes, I heard from some friends ,for fake pilots. The comparison with EK makes me laugh. First of all with a strong dollar EK salary have skyrocketed and now a captains package is close to 2000000 Euro ( with one kid) and for a senior first officer ( this how they call "co pilots" there) 140000. This against 70000 euro and 40000 euro all included in THY once deducted your living expenses in Turkey. The professional environment in not comparable. Many THY " hocams" ( meaning "master" how the local co- pilots ( well they deserve to be called like that most of the time) address the Kaptain.. ) would not be anywhere near an airplane in EK. Than add 42 days of leave ( against 20) no deduction on sick leave ( THY cuts your salary) real staff travel benefit and so on... Dubai is not really the best place on hearth but if you think Istanbul is better think twice. Beside you will be left on your own and close to no one speaks English
THY will eventually get rid of all expat. A quota system has already been approved and implemented in all other smaller carriers ( max 10% expat) leading to termination of contracts. THY is just temporarily exempted and remember your contract is permanent but your work permit is not.
The mix of arrogance, incompetence, retrograde management, non existent FTL and resulting "suicide" rosters on short haul fleet, and the risk THY is taking in crewing its planes makes it a time bomb you want to stay well clear ..if in anyway possible.
No FO has been upgraded and there are just rumors about it. Still I really would not like to be in the shoes of any expat in an upgrade course there, most probably a nightmare seen the evident general xenophobic attitude.. imagine TRIs now "even" having to promote a " yabancy"....
For the rest all information are available here. THY remains a good option for young P2F kids unexperienced furloughed youngsters ( not really what the company needs seen the appalling professional level and the possibility the otto- manic dream being suddenly interrupted by a further accident.. God wish not ! ) people that failed screening with EK and EY ect, for CPT coming from some shady/secondary outfits, for retired long haul captains ( they got the best deal with housing provided) looking for some extra money in a forgiving environment , other desperate individuals and even sometimes, I heard from some friends ,for fake pilots. The comparison with EK makes me laugh. First of all with a strong dollar EK salary have skyrocketed and now a captains package is close to 2000000 Euro ( with one kid) and for a senior first officer ( this how they call "co pilots" there) 140000. This against 70000 euro and 40000 euro all included in THY once deducted your living expenses in Turkey. The professional environment in not comparable. Many THY " hocams" ( meaning "master" how the local co- pilots ( well they deserve to be called like that most of the time) address the Kaptain.. ) would not be anywhere near an airplane in EK. Than add 42 days of leave ( against 20) no deduction on sick leave ( THY cuts your salary) real staff travel benefit and so on... Dubai is not really the best place on hearth but if you think Istanbul is better think twice. Beside you will be left on your own and close to no one speaks English
THY will eventually get rid of all expat. A quota system has already been approved and implemented in all other smaller carriers ( max 10% expat) leading to termination of contracts. THY is just temporarily exempted and remember your contract is permanent but your work permit is not.
The mix of arrogance, incompetence, retrograde management, non existent FTL and resulting "suicide" rosters on short haul fleet, and the risk THY is taking in crewing its planes makes it a time bomb you want to stay well clear ..if in anyway possible.
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Yabancipilot,
First of all, do not compare living costs in IST to Dubai. Housing is at least double in the Desert.
Dubai is a golden prison. Outside the city, there is NOTHING to do. 4 months a year, it isimpossible to be outside.
In Istanbul, you have nature, sea and a MUCH better climate.
TK offers unlimited ID90 in C and Y for flightcrew, just like other IATA carriers.
Somthe same as with EK
I know of several people happy with TK, including their training standards. And no, they are NOT rejects.
At least in Turkey, they have women's rights and are a secular country, not an Emirate buying their safety by sponsoring Al Quaida and IS.
First of all, do not compare living costs in IST to Dubai. Housing is at least double in the Desert.
Dubai is a golden prison. Outside the city, there is NOTHING to do. 4 months a year, it isimpossible to be outside.
In Istanbul, you have nature, sea and a MUCH better climate.
TK offers unlimited ID90 in C and Y for flightcrew, just like other IATA carriers.
Somthe same as with EK
I know of several people happy with TK, including their training standards. And no, they are NOT rejects.
At least in Turkey, they have women's rights and are a secular country, not an Emirate buying their safety by sponsoring Al Quaida and IS.
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The biggest problem I think is the unstable/rapidly declining Lira against the US dollar.
Long Haul (especially 777) is the only way to go here. Short haul is like a different company. The schedule/deal the short haul guys get is terrible.
Long Haul (especially 777) is the only way to go here. Short haul is like a different company. The schedule/deal the short haul guys get is terrible.
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Dear Despegue EK EY QR are providing for accommodation or giving a substantial amount of money for it. I have friends in Dubai that bought villas paid with company allowance weathered the storm and are now leaving with a couple of million dollar in their pocket plus end of service and all this in little more than 7 years. All I know for my self is that those having a chance in the Gulf generally take it as it is, objectively, still the best deal around all considered from a pilot career perspective .Even more if you have kids in school as they will pay for it as well. And please do not disseminate false information because THY is only offering, beside wide body captains that get a free confirmed business ticket per month as well, two ID 90 tickets per month to expat and not even that to local pilots.
You can still buy ZED or CED tickets but they are substantially more expensive.
You can still buy ZED or CED tickets but they are substantially more expensive.
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Despegue I still have close friends there. Even local ( those that can ) are joining for the Gulf Airlines and that says it at all about THY. Who would leave his own country and expanding national flag carrier? For the rest it is evident that you don't have a clue of what you talking about... well you must evidently be a "co-pilot" 
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Nice try..DeFacto. Sorry but I have to remind you that housing, and utilities are provided for in EK.
So you are left with education ..that is as well provided up to University for up to 3 kids ( and that is lot lot of money) and is instead extremely expensive ( up to 12000 USD per kid in primary school) and out of your pocket in Istanbul ( tried that on my skin) Than we can talk about cars ( 250% more expensive due absurd taxes in Turkey ( and fuel at almost 1,5 USD per liter. Than try and go rent in a nice neighborhood not one that seems having been by a post atomic fall out or built on garbage ...and you tell me the price. ..The only way THY could become barely competitive is by rising salaries by 20% , providing accommodation allowance and/ or commuting roster to everyone. 2 dimes less on milk or 5 dollar on a pizza are not enough my friend get real..
So you are left with education ..that is as well provided up to University for up to 3 kids ( and that is lot lot of money) and is instead extremely expensive ( up to 12000 USD per kid in primary school) and out of your pocket in Istanbul ( tried that on my skin) Than we can talk about cars ( 250% more expensive due absurd taxes in Turkey ( and fuel at almost 1,5 USD per liter. Than try and go rent in a nice neighborhood not one that seems having been by a post atomic fall out or built on garbage ...and you tell me the price. ..The only way THY could become barely competitive is by rising salaries by 20% , providing accommodation allowance and/ or commuting roster to everyone. 2 dimes less on milk or 5 dollar on a pizza are not enough my friend get real..
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I have to agree with Yabancypilot.
Whilst on Long Haul it is an ok gig, the realties here is the salary just doesn't cut it, and with an extremely unstable currency the risk is too large. Especially if you have School age children, then that's when it would really bite you in the ass.
Yabancypilot says increase by 20%. Yes, but AT LEAST that much, as in 1 year that 20% will be more like a 10% rise and I'm not exaggerating.
Whilst on Long Haul it is an ok gig, the realties here is the salary just doesn't cut it, and with an extremely unstable currency the risk is too large. Especially if you have School age children, then that's when it would really bite you in the ass.
Yabancypilot says increase by 20%. Yes, but AT LEAST that much, as in 1 year that 20% will be more like a 10% rise and I'm not exaggerating.
The wide body THY Captain position is a commuting contract not an expatriate one. Housing and schooling are not provided ( I doubt if the facilities even exist), because HR expects you are travelling home to see your families in your own country.
Narrow body and Fist Officer contracts are extremely marginal and could perhaps be described as opportunistic by THY.
One golden rule of all foreign contracts not only pilots, is to avoid being paid in the local currency. The Turkish Lira is volatile ! But interest rates at 9.25% keep things fairly stable for the short term.
I am not throwing too many stones at the guys and girls employed by the gulf carriers because the way things are in this region currently, anything could happen and likely affect all of us.
Narrow body and Fist Officer contracts are extremely marginal and could perhaps be described as opportunistic by THY.
One golden rule of all foreign contracts not only pilots, is to avoid being paid in the local currency. The Turkish Lira is volatile ! But interest rates at 9.25% keep things fairly stable for the short term.
I am not throwing too many stones at the guys and girls employed by the gulf carriers because the way things are in this region currently, anything could happen and likely affect all of us.
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Actual figures
Hi all,
I am trying to figure out the B777 CPT actual pay in THY.
Can somebody just trow in here the numbers?
BASIC salary:
Pay per hour:
Accommodation (hotel):
Education (if any):
Layover allowance (if any):
Plus:
Training bond? How long before it's gone? Does it go proportionally?
Any pension scheme contribution like in EK?
Loss of licence?
Medical?
Dental?
In other words anything related to money so that we can all put it together and make a serious financial comparison ..
Thanks in advance.
(PS I know some numbers are already out there but would be nice to see it all together once and for all). :-)
I am trying to figure out the B777 CPT actual pay in THY.
Can somebody just trow in here the numbers?
BASIC salary:
Pay per hour:
Accommodation (hotel):
Education (if any):
Layover allowance (if any):
Plus:
Training bond? How long before it's gone? Does it go proportionally?
Any pension scheme contribution like in EK?
Loss of licence?
Medical?
Dental?
In other words anything related to money so that we can all put it together and make a serious financial comparison ..
Thanks in advance.
(PS I know some numbers are already out there but would be nice to see it all together once and for all). :-)