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Old 25th Jan 2015, 20:01
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Well yabancypilot, I really don't know where the h*ll you're talking about. I'm an ab-initio, so I'm not from Lionair, and P2F? You're just kidding, right? The words "you are used to it", "kids" says something about your bad experience and your behavior.

So don't try to tell me something with your kind of attitude. Maybe they have used you, It won't kill you, but makes you stronger cheers
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 21:18
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* enough time to rest, good salary
Really? Since when did they change the pay in TK?

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Old 26th Jan 2015, 05:28
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Yes, really. Maybe your nose is too much in the sky and you are craving for more money. The only issue is that the Turkish lira is not stable. The are companies who are paying more, but the salary at THY is good if I compare with the most companies.
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 05:50
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I have a question here….

Have heard that for 777 captains, you're only hired as a relief captain for all ULR's (most flights) with an occasional shorter flight to get a takeoff/landing to maintain currency….

Might anyone have info on this?

Thanks for your help

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Old 26th Jan 2015, 06:15
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There are no relief captains in THY !

Anyways, there are quite a lot of happy guys in THY on narrow and wide body.
Its not perfect, but certainly not as horrific as written here by some people.
Its always the same guys complaining here.
I guess best is to get to Istanbul and try to talk to some of the 'yabanci'. As far as i can see most of us will be happy to tell you honestly whats going on
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 07:32
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Thanks Kumbaya…

So…. on the ULR flights for example, are the captains designated who will do the departure from IST to the destination? On the return leg back to IST, is there a swap where the 2nd captain from the first sector will be primary/operating captain back to IST?

Maybe the nomenclature is different for Turkish and just trying to understand how the ULR flights with two captains are operated as to who will get to operate and who will get to augment for each particular sector.

Thanks again Kumbaya.

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Old 26th Jan 2015, 08:56
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I am a F/O on 330 Fleet for the last 3.5 years and my experience is good so far with TK. I was on 320 fleet for a year and got upgraded. I will break it down here and if you have any questions u can pm.. I wont waste my time arguing with the folks who had a bad experience on Turkish and cant get it over with for the last 2 years

* 75 to 85 HR each month 2 or 3 ER's (Mostly 2 ER's) and 2 or 3 mid-range flights never had more than 6 flight duties per month for the last 18 months.
* Best roster you can get on 777. Usually 3 flights a month.
* I get 8 days off when i ask however i do not request it every month.
* Since January 2015, my basic salary is 15' 200TL and every 4 months i get paid app x. 7500TL bonus.
* Overtime pay is about 170TL per block hour after 70hrs.
* I receive plus or minus 500TL for transportation each month.
* If i fly on Sunday there is additional 400TL for each Sunday you fly. Which i do twice or sometimes triple times a month.
* Layover hotels are very nice %95 of the time. Except in few countries such as Lagos. But, i really dont care since you dont go there every month.
* Layover allowance is 52 USD per day in most countries. However, for flights into Japan it is about 110 USD. If your layover is in Europe it is paid in Euro.
* Private health insurance is paid by the company. Only 20% copay required for doctor visits which is about 30TL in most cases. I only used it 3 times in last 4.5 years and pretty happy with it.
* Staff travel is very good, ZED fares with almost 120 different carriers, two confirmed tickets for expats, and since last few months we have unlimited standby ticket on TK with very low fares. This month i went to usa fırst time on a standby ticket for 200 USD round trip. I am a big time traveler, never had any problems. %95 of the time i go business even though my ticket is economy.
*You can be anywhere in europe in max 5 hrs if your home is next to the ocean. Most Europe destinations are served two or three times a day.
*Accommodation wise; I purchased my own flat and furniture in Asian part of the city where things are better. Some expat guys share apartments and pay high rent prices. Well if you are lazy enough to live little bit away from the airport than you deserve to pay high rent prices.
* Transportation is no problem since i take subway most of the time. Sometimes i drive my own car depending on my flight duty. Most ER flight leave either very early or very late and never struggled in the traffic up until now.
* Simulators are relaxed and if you do ur studying its good enough.
* People are very friendly, You will be doing much better if you want to learn about the culture and people.

Overall, for a new and an experienced F/O Turkish airlines is a good place to be. Pay is good, close to Europe, on wide body u can get days off and commute, relaxed atmosphere. Now after the new memo u can get upgraded if you have a high school diploma also but with 6000 hrs logged. If you have 4 year degree than its 4500hr. Turkish airlines and turkey is tricky at the beginning but if you do your research and play it smart and ask your way out, than its very layed back. If you make things problem for yourself than it will come back to you.. Just relax, enjoy life besides flying, don't waste time with every small detail's and rest will all fall down. With that happy note, have a nice week and safe flying folks..
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 09:13
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On ULR flight at Turkish Airlines.

Composition of the crew is

Case 1 Two captains and one first officer
Case 2 One captain and two first officer one being P3.

First case: Captain 1 flies with FO the first leg while captain 2 doesn't do anything except relieving captain 1 when he is on rest and sits on right when FO is on rest. Return is other way around Captain 2 flies the return leg.

Case 2. Captain flies the first or return leg. P3 relieves the captain. p4 or p5 on the right seat.

Fully augmented crew 4 pilots.. 2 captains and 2 first officers.

First crew flies the first leg, while other crew rests in the back. Return flight other way around.
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 09:48
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Thanks Daytonapilot. Good explanation.

Check your PM's

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Old 26th Jan 2015, 13:25
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Daytonapilot, how many days of annual leave do you have as an f/o? What is the maximum block days off in a row?
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 17:36
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20 Days for the first 5 years you are with the company. After 5 years 26 days.
Split is 12 winter and 8 summer days. Sundays are not counted in so in reality you have. 13 and 9 days.
Off days can be added before or after your vacation days.
This year i had 17 days for winter 13 days for summer time.
If you ask them to add your days off before or after your vacation, than you have to suck it up for the rest of the month and fly with minimum rest between duties.

Turkish airlines is not good when it comes down to vacation days. Don't expect 42 Days off vacation like in the middle east carriers.
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Old 27th Jan 2015, 05:43
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I think the reality of leave with the Middle East carriers is such that… while they advert 42 days at all their road shows, they generally only offer the legal minimum required (30 in EK's case) and then give you little groups of 4 days off here and there to round out the 42, which for most of us is a complete waste because it certainly won't leave enough time for any meaningful, restful vacation, even to Europe!!

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Old 27th Jan 2015, 06:06
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Psycho Daytona & Co

Are you Turkish psychomantic? Cause you know there is no ab initio for expat my dear? For what I 'm told the most part of recruits are P2F.. many from Lionair ,Augsburg Dash 8 kids FO with no experience the rest is made of rejects of EK, EY, and QR that did not make the cut. To them it seems paradise..they even get paid. Many don't even know what an really airline is coming from shady third world outifits so do not listen. THY has long way to go to become a good airline for those not having some particular interest in living in Turkey and having other opportunities...
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Old 27th Jan 2015, 06:24
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Daytona pilot... well..can you define very good staff travel? is it possible to define as such two tickets per month ( locals do not even get that..) ? In my previous airline every employee had unlimited ID90 you could buy on line and have deducted automatically from your salary in a metter of seconds. I guess your previous airline had no staff travel...
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Old 27th Jan 2015, 09:00
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Wouldnt 2 tickets/month enough to go home anyways?
Pilots will always be pilots,wont they?
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Old 27th Jan 2015, 09:08
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Daytona,
On leave !

Contract says 20 days up to 5 years 26 over 5 years ?no! an edict was made last year that the first year doesn't count so it's 26 days after 6 years, this was new and well timed as most of the Yabancis who joined 2010 would have been entitled to 26 days after 5 years.
Another goodwill jesture from the punishment police.
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Written from a very warm and cosy beach hog roast this evening.
Ps left 1 years ago because of this problem saying one thing and doing another .
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Old 27th Jan 2015, 09:34
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De Facto... the world industry standard in major legacy airlines and many other carrier even low cost....is unlimited ID90..for every one, all employees. It is actually a source of revenue as staff travels mostly on empty seat...It cost nothing to the company and sends a positive message. Beside gives the opportunity to employee to enrich culturally and open their minds...
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Old 28th Jan 2015, 09:03
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Travelled very little,couldnt tell you
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Old 28th Jan 2015, 21:38
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Angry

As I mentioned it a new improvement arrived..now you can purchase your ID CED tickets on line..and it works..
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Old 28th Jan 2015, 22:17
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How many layovers per month for a 737 captain? tks.
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