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Old 18th Aug 2014, 06:58
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From your posts , age and evident nationality I assume you are in Turkey probably just to integrate your retirement cheque. I also believe you are on WB fleet and therefore sure you are enjoying your block off days , free confirmed ticket, higher salary ( for what the TL is worth now ..) and housing benefits . You also probably fit the environment and your flattery is completely understandable.
I, on the other end , had a totally different experience and from that experience, I can say that THY was and apparently still is a mockery that makes Ryanair , now, a dream of fairness and professionalism trust me.
The extreme turnover just shows the reality .For you I understand it's a dream job.This is actually where the problem lies but do not disseminate false information based on your specific "privileged" situation.
Remember no one forced THY to hire expat. They could have remained a small regional carrier crashing a plane every now and then.
But since they did they have been messing around with them in all possible ways and pissing them off by the hundreds . The mistake we all made was expecting THY to be a "normal" airline which is definitely not the case. Imagine the "best European"
Don't worry as soon as a Turk will be ready to replace you , you will be kicked out .Don't make the mistake of thinking is going to take that long whatever they tell you. Don't be fooled by their opportunistic courtesy. In reality they don't like you . Its their DNA.
By the way YOUR national carrier has been sold to Arabs... mine is presently hiring.

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Old 18th Aug 2014, 08:47
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devoted anger

Your devotion in portraying/imposing your views onto others makes me think that you have personally met the Cpt. of Midnight Express 'bar' in IST.
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Old 18th Aug 2014, 11:01
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Anger??

What a misunderstanding !! I'm not angry at all It was an interesting experience that I will treasure. Got me to know that Turkey and its European possibilities/aspirations are both , fortunately, standing at zero. Turkey is a 100% Middle Eastern country in the middle of a delusional Islamist Neo-Ottoman drive. Still fantastic for a short vacation but a nightmare for a EU expat worker. Rest assured that my view is shared by the hundreds that left and are still leaving on a daily basis, No need for impositions just read this forum .Iranian fellow pilots seems to be abundant and they will be happy to take their place in a more sensible and respectful way. Still I feel compelled to warn my fellow European pilots THY can may the Best European Airline for passenger ( even if I cannot really understand how it can be part of that category) but sure the worst Middle Eastern expat employer. I heard a rumor of a merger with ISIS airline..can you confirm?
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Old 18th Aug 2014, 13:13
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Dear Porky.
I don't work for THY so my judgment is not from personal experience. However how can it be desiminating false information if he is telling us about his experiences on LH. Just because it different from the ones you made when you were a short haul FO. In any airline it long from short FO to long Captain. Especially in a middle eastern culture which Turkey is.
I am sure they would prefer an all turkish crew. Even Emirates, Qatar and Etihad would. So one day it's goodbye and thanks for coming. It's just an integral part of being an expat pilot.
I hope you moved on to better things. But ask yourself this. If you were a Longhaul skipper with THY would you have the same attitude?
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Old 18th Aug 2014, 14:30
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We do have Shiite and Sunni pilots at emirates. Even a couple of Jews too. It really not a problem
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Old 18th Aug 2014, 20:00
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THY and pork fliers.

By the way a peculiar nickname you picked...

You are absolutely right when you figure our I am a skipper on a ER flights.
Different contract, different benefits.
The fact I am integrating my retirement cheque it is quite a private issue that matters no one. You in primis.

Try, if you are able, to remain stick to the topic.
We are discussing THY enviroment here, just business.

I say again: I am sorry if your experience was so depriment. At this point you did the right thing if it was you to decide to leave.
My experience is more then excellent here, and I am not Iranian.
Do you think to be better only because you were born somewhere else?

Take care.

P.S. What a harsh reaction you are having, my airline sold to the arabs, yours hiring... Maybe you are tall, blond and from a pure race (arian?) to have such a perspective. Let us know...
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Old 19th Aug 2014, 19:12
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Found what?
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Old 21st Aug 2014, 05:52
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So we understand that opinions vary quite a lot about THY... Posts from 2+ years ago say awful things about this company, more recent posts comment about good and bad stuff, so it looks like things are improving, possibly slowly, but they are.

Now, how would you pilots at THY describe the general working environment there ? quality of life ? Any overnights anywhere with the 330 ? What about 320 FO schedules, destinations and general life ?
Concerning the selection process, how does it work ? Would you describe it as hard, simple, nothing much to worry about ?
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Old 24th Aug 2014, 05:44
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THY is good only for retired long haul captains and low hour P2F pilots as it is a temporary contract. Don't trust anyone telling you differently. There are thousands of Turks getting their license as we speak. Many expat moved and will keep moving to real airlines offering real careers and expat benefits
Joprato compared to two years ago salaries are down 30% and most of the people venting on this forum has left including me. As a statistic around 70% % of the initial pilot intake has left THY . The environment is , let's say, not expat friendly.
Life style on narrow body? What life..??
There are much better options trust me.

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Old 24th Aug 2014, 09:23
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Hi Bob777,
I'm coming for an interview with THY as Cruise Pilot soon, cud u plz tell me details of Pay, housing and flying hours monthly...Thnx
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Old 24th Aug 2014, 09:49
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Topgun...original nickname . From your posts I see you are looking for a fast upgrade. Well I'm not really in the position to give suggestion . My opinion is biased by my not so optimistic attitude. In fact after having been i played around on my perspectives and having consequently lost a good opportunity I kind of lost my trust and I came down to more a prosaic attitude...
What I can tell you is that you will most probably not be getting an upgrade and even less a fast one.
Yabanci is right, salary are down 30% due to TRY piloted devaluation. A mulled pay rise has yet to be seen. No housing will be provided if not for LH DEC. and you will be flying around 70 hours a month.
Let me just bring to your attention the following citation that could be appropriate :

"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. (Albert Einstein)

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Old 24th Aug 2014, 16:27
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Thanks Bob777, will moot over it and By the Way your quote had the Deeper Meaning...!!!
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 18:30
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Hi Yanbancypilot
Any suggestions on the much better options you mentioned?
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 20:55
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pilots feed back about working with Turkish airline

Hi i am wondering if their is any feed back from A340 /A330 Captain working with THY in regards to :
1- THE 3 WEEKS ROSTER ( how many flights ,days for rest )is the week off guaranteed ?
2- what is the general atmosphere in the cockpit and with the crew for a foreign non turkish pilot ?
3- what is the average Per diem per month for long haul A340
4- how is the general standard for the turkish F/O
thank you
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Old 17th Sep 2014, 23:15
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Airbus A330/A340 Destinations

Hi Guys

May I kindly have an idea about A330/A340 destinations within THY network.

Thanks & Kind regards
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Old 23rd Sep 2014, 11:51
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First Foreign FO bypassed for upgrade ( with and without degree)

Just for your reference be informed that the first group of expat FO has been bypassed by means of unilateral and discriminatory changes to the seniority targeting just limited number of early expat joiners. Something unimaginable out of Turkey..and probably in Turkey as well.. Basically it would appear they worked in THY for two years without working in THY..they just dreamed of it . I hope this information along with the many available on this forum, will help those thinking of applying to THY to take wise an informed decisions. Some did not have this chance in the past and find themselves resentful . We are talking about people careers,life and future here.
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Old 23rd Sep 2014, 14:45
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Anyone who did the assessment could help me with some feedback? Private messages are always welcome.
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Old 24th Sep 2014, 09:37
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Hi guys.

I saw in TK recruitment page that now they accept pilots with ATR72 hours, however they state, 3000 hours in planes over 27 tonnes, 2000 hours in one of the following types.... then among the types is ATR72.

Does this mean one or the other or both are mandatory requirements? ATR72 is around 23 Tonnes only.

If selected, do they have a bond or do they charge for the rating? Ihave heard too many different stories and I'd like to see what's true and how things are, before applying.

Thank you all guys.
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Old 26th Sep 2014, 08:23
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Thank you for the feed back... it looks like worse than I though, after you said paying my type rating I stopped considering TK... 30000 Euros to work, that's crazy and only 1 ticket s year with 20 days of holidays...
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Old 26th Sep 2014, 18:54
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Turk Experience

I made it but not joining them, as First Officer contract is unbelievably insane. I would rather stay home and take command.

My advice is... If you are a Capt and nothing else to lose(like seniority/Chk pilot/TRI/TRE posts) you can join and experience the country and airline. Like some one said, Turkey is still in the process of getting used to expats. English penetration is really low compared to other ME countries.

As FO, never join them, most likely no command, poor pay, hardly any leaves,pathetic staff travel and probably a not so friendly cockpit. You are just going to be warming the right seat for a while. And the stupid rule of 4 year college degree is a Joke! ( whereas many captains there are barely highschool pass outs. No offense but the rule is just funny)
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