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Turkish Airlines - THY Recruitment (Merged)

Old 13th Jan 2015, 09:19
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Hello guys. Is here someone that can give me some informations about Turkish airline working environment?
At the moment I'm working in a very good company but I'm flying 737 cl with no chances to upgrade as captain on jet.
Since I have been invited for the assessment for thk I would like some info about which contract r they going to offer, roster (being an expat i would like a commuting roster).
Is it cheap living in Istanbul?
I read that the basic salary is 10374 TL ( for how many hours is calculated this basic salary)?
Should you change your license when you start to work for turkish?
How long time does it take to have the possibility to upgrade as capt.
Sorry if i'm bordering with all this questions, but i have think if is worth leaving my actual company for thk
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Old 13th Jan 2015, 12:52
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Any example of a B737 captain roster? How many layovers each month? Tks
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Old 15th Jan 2015, 04:45
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Just forget about it. You will be overwhelmed by the number of arrogant chauvinist incompetent pricks you will have to deal with. Life on 737 is a nightmare of horrible rosters, endless day with multiple sectors to ****** up destinations, no real time off. You will be exploited. Avoid avoid avoid.
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Old 16th Jan 2015, 12:17
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Can anyone advise what the roster patterns and working conditions are on the A320 fleet, please. Plus what the accomodation prices and qualities are like. Any info would be highly appreciated
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Old 16th Jan 2015, 21:04
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Standard in Turkey is 2x double offs and the rest as single offs, every month. Sometimes they can group a couple of more days off but on the short haul forget about commuting.

They use basic ICAO ftl with many exemptions. Fatigue is a great problem and expect no free time. You will fly from both İst and SAW. Travelling between the two can sometimes take three hours, not taken into consideration for FTL, also standby days are not even counted as duty time. Not even if you are called in on that day etc. Turkish dgca keeps approving dodgier and dodgier FTL exemptions.

Accommodation is a little cheaper than in western Europe but expect at least a thousand euros a month for somewhere semi decent unfurnished.
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Old 16th Jan 2015, 23:47
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Thanks for the info TYPE.

So it seems that the word 'shambles' is the proper definition of THY.

Have to rethink about considering their offer.
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 21:51
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Well, there are worse places to be but the real achilles heel is the rostering wich brings down the life quality thus even making the sandpit alternatives more attractive, despite them being farther away (depending on where you're from of course).
The rest of the stuff can be put up with by most people if you're in it for the money and hours on a short term. If you're planning on going home for more than 1-2 days a month or travelling once in a while, forget about it unless you're going long haul.
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 23:52
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Hi guys,
If you are a expat you make a big chance to get the job.Turkey is the only country in the world where their own citizens are discriminated by their own people . Wish you goodluck.
Selamlar/Saygilar
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Old 18th Jan 2015, 07:43
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1) Expat are still considered an anomaly and the attitude towards them is just of exploitative nature. You are not welcome..just needed, for a while.

2) Your benchmark will be the retired Turkish military pilots. A large percentage of them would not be allowed to get near to an airplane anywhere else but THY has been their retirement playground for decades.The result is the incredible series of hull losses and victims they are responsible for. A large proportion would not find a job anywhere else and their contractual power is therefore equal to zero. The insane working conditions are largely a result of this and, beside, even having more time off, most Turkish pilot would not know what to do with it.

3) Who ever went trough a conversion course in THY knows what is the level of training. A professionally depressing experience and largely a box ticking exercise.

4) The company culture is abusive and regressive in nature. Politics are heavily involved in the management .An idiotic fixed attention to form, appearance and unimportant details cast a curtain that impedes them to see the train loaded with anvils heading in their direction.

5) CRM is just a word, repeated endless time, of which,as many others in the English vocabulary, they don't understand the real meaning . Proof is the continued attempt to blame FO for the evident incompetence of commanders
with initiatives that are the very negations of it. The safety model of THY has not much cheese around the huge holes .A widespread culture of super-masculinity lies as the basis and was a factor in almost all THY accidents and its not properly dealt cause management essentially does not know what I'm talking about.

6) The working conditions on narrow body fleets are unsustainable by anyone with a minimum of self respect and willing to leave a year of two after retirement.,,if they get there. The number of recent cardiac arrests is there as a proof of this.

7) Salaries are down 30% on exchange rate and no adjustment has been provided. The incapacity to understand the needs of expat pilot is evident and any initiative in that direction will unleash the jealousy of locals.
Moving your family to Turkey is an option only if you don't have kids in school. Otherwise you will just work to pay their schooling which senselessly expensive and of mediocre quality. No sensitive initiative has been taken in any field to make expat life easier. You will be on your own with almost zero company support.

8) The continued changes on requirements , licenses and minimums are a proof of how much HR is disconnected from reality. Pilots where terminated for not holding EASA licenses and few month later they were back hiring non EASA license holder...

9) Istanbul is not a cheap city to leave. The center if off limits due traffic and prices and the neighborhood you will end up living have been built ( sometimes over landifills ) as poorly planned agglomerate of eco- monsters.

10) Turks have a vastly delusional high opinion of themselves, their country, their past. The essentially think they can outsmart anybody and that is a bit disturbing. The result is that many found as the only option to express their real feeling towards such attitude ( since other form of communication are nearly impossible) to show them the finger and leave. Me included.
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Old 18th Jan 2015, 07:48
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10 top reasons not to join THY

1) Expat are still considered an anomaly and the attitude towards them is just of exploitative nature. You are not welcome..just needed, for a while.

2) Your benchmark will be the retired Turkish military pilots. A large percentage of them would not be allowed to get near to an airplane anywhere else but THY has been their retirement playground for decades.The result is the incredible series of hull losses and victims they are responsible for. A large proportion would not find a job anywhere else and their contractual power is therefore equal to zero. The insane working conditions are largely a result of this and, beside, even having more time off, most Turkish pilot would not know what to do with it.

3) Who ever went trough a conversion course in THY knows what is the level of training. A professionally depressing experience and largely a box ticking exercise.

4) The company culture is abusive and regressive in nature. Politics are heavily involved in the management .An idiotic fixed attention to form, appearance and unimportant details cast a curtain that impedes them to see the train loaded with anvils heading in their direction.

5) CRM is just a word, repeated endless time, of which,as many others in the English vocabulary, they don't understand the real meaning . Proof is the continued attempt to blame FO for the evident incompetence of commanders
with initiatives that are the very negations of it. The safety model of THY has not much cheese around the huge holes .A widespread culture of super-masculinity lies as the basis and was a factor in almost all THY accidents and its not properly dealt cause management essentially does not know what I'm talking about.

6) The working conditions on narrow body fleets are unsustainable by anyone with a minimum of self respect and willing to leave a year of two after retirement.,,if they get there. The number of recent cardiac arrests is there as a proof of this.

7) Salaries are down 30% on exchange rate and no adjustment has been provided. The incapacity to understand the needs of expat pilot is evident and any initiative in that direction will unleash the jealousy of locals.
Moving your family to Turkey is an option only if you don't have kids in school. Otherwise you will just work to pay their schooling which senselessly expensive and of mediocre quality. No sensitive initiative has been taken in any field to make expat life easier. You will be on your own with almost zero company support.

8) The continued changes on requirements , licenses and minimums are a proof of how much HR is disconnected from reality. Pilots where terminated for not holding EASA licenses and few month later they were back hiring non EASA license holder...

9) Istanbul is not a cheap city to live. The city center if off limits due traffic and prices and the neighborhoods you will end up living have been built ( sometimes over landifills ) as poorly planned agglomerate of eco- monsters.

10) Turks have a vastly delusional high opinion of themselves, their country, their past. The essentially think they can outsmart anybody. The result is that many found as the only option to express their real opinion ( since other form of communication are nearly impossible) to show them the finger and leave. Me included.
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Old 18th Jan 2015, 22:05
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I think that everyone knows your opinion by now. There's no reason to start a new thread every month or so.
You can post your valuable comments in the main THY thread, thank you.
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Old 19th Jan 2015, 04:39
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Hi all,

I am planning on applying to THY rated 737, I have heard of a few who have upgraded to 777 after 6-12 months is this still the case? Also apparently now they are upgrading expat fo's with out degrees and giving a seniority number!
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Old 19th Jan 2015, 09:23
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There is no clear answer to your question. Many changes going on. Still the "upgrade" ( you'll have the same salary and your flight time will count only 75% towards your upgrade) to 777 is now subject to you self financing the rating in advance, no more bond or so it was last time I heard. Concerning FO upgrade something is moving will see...

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Old 19th Jan 2015, 15:59
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Bus Driver Man are you the editor of this forum. Does it disturb you aesthetically to see this post? I'm just trying to help people taking informed decision to avoid disappointments. And even Turkish Airlines have a reality check on how it is perceived. Because this is not only my experience but those of the hundreds of pilots that, so far, were disappointed and lost time and energy before taking the initiative to leave . The goodness of Turkish Airlines narrow body contract for expat is directly proportional their desperation or or inability to find another " normal" occupation...period.
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Old 19th Jan 2015, 18:55
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http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/413526-turkish-airlines-thy-recruitment-merged-10.html#post8829842

You made your point in that thread. No need to start a new thread and post it again... Period.
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Old 20th Jan 2015, 10:54
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Porkflyer,
Seriously,dont you think its time you see a specialist?
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Old 22nd Jan 2015, 06:28
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Bus Driver Man.. I see by your nickname that your self respect and esteem for what was once a respected profession have dropped to a minimum. Keep driving your bus. I thought my post was so good that it deserved a dedicated thread.
De Facto you are right.. after 26 months of slavery and professionally depressing experience in THY I was really close to need the help of a mental health specialist. Luckily I had the chance to join a far better organization. Having ( a lot ) more than 7 days off and flying on average 20 hours less per month on basically the same salary helped a lot. Not to mention the fact that when I speak the official international language of aviation..everybody understand me and makes me feel less lonely....
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Old 22nd Jan 2015, 07:37
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Originally Posted by porkflyer View Post
Bus Driver Man.. I see by your nickname that your self respect and esteem for what was once a respected profession have dropped to a minimum. Keep driving your bus.
That compared to flying pigs?
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Old 23rd Jan 2015, 18:49
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* FO's are flying around 70 hours a month
* Accommodation 1000-3000 tl, depends what you want
* Upgrade to widebody possible, company decides when
* I have 3-4 layovers every month
* enough time to rest, good salary
* around 700 expats at this moment
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Old 24th Jan 2015, 17:03
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Lets's not mix apples with coconuts psycho. We are very happy for your "upgrade" which is not ..just a fleet change ..for which you are anyway paying for. You are probably one of the P2F kids from Lionair.. you are used to it. You would be surprised to know that many other ME airlines would not even consider you for employment seen your paid "experience" and this says it all about THY..they are taking chances by hiring you as seat warmer and English speaker while they fail to attract the right candidates. By the way pork is mostly talking about short haul fleets and the situation is actually as stated or so it was..
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