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On a related topic, for Airbus in particular,(& with regard to the discussion on the swap group), is the CRS system failing us? The 'manual insertion' argument perhaps needs to addressed, yet there are concerns with trips allocated bearing no resemblance to what is bid for, even by those completely au fait with the system. Excellent job by the volunteer guys, but perhaps time to ditch CRS in favour of something more equitable, particularly for the long suffering 'smallbus' pilots. I'm completely demoralised by my roster every month, even in top bid months. Further more, April got two AD's 'post publication'...just to add insult. I do realise of course that is part of the problem. CRS is fine by itself but not when meddled with. I too am prepared to do my fair share of bad trips, but surely can expect something decent in higher bid groups
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Is the system failing us? No kidding!
As for the CRS boys, kuddos to them for finding such a nice little slot in life.
I have compared my roster to theirs for the past year and the difference is unbelievable. They get two pre-assigned pairings a month (their own choice) and apparently...... LEAVE whenever they choose. So don't be too grateful towards the two individuals who average..... one CRS training day (6 hours) each month and it is ROSTERED!
Sadly, they are all too eager to express the company mantra that our rosters are NOT manipulated in any way. If you are on EKallPlilots, then you probably have read some of the self-serving retorts from the CRS BID HELP pilots.
I mean come on!! The system is simple and if you are in doubt, or even NOT in doubt about your bidding abilities, run the analyzer and it should give a relatively good idea of your next month. Unfortunately, the analyzer has little to do with reality.
I don't blame these 2 guys for taking advantage of the situation, but I do have a problem with the fact that they are not honest with us...... THEIR COLLEAGUES..... regarding the company manipulation of our rosters. I would hold them in higher esteem if not for the fact that they have found a niche in life and have become all to eager to BS us, their colleagues ... about how CRS is being utilized.
Their fallback line is always,''you must have bid incorrectly''. What a load of crap! I bid my months and then punch out the analyzer and it shows me exactly what I should expect to receive based on my seniority. Yet when the roster is published, it bears little resemblance to what CRS should have assigned.
Damn, I would cheerfully answer FIVE HUNDRED emails queries a month to get those Rosters!! Hell, anyone could answer those emails if they had a 'Rostered' CRS BID HELP day on their already luxurious roster because rarely do pilots show up for CRS help on their day off to learn a system that should have been taught by the company in the first place!!
Gotta hand it to the CRS boys, they have found the one and only crack in the Emirates punitive rostering system (other than being in management).
How about just being honest with us though? ''Yeah sorry fellows, the system is not being used according to how it was designed, but I will do my best to help you out'' ?
Believe me, most EK pilots already know what a privileged position it is to be the CRS help dude, but if you consider the fact that you so are entrenched, and your priviliged rosters have little effect on the other 2500 pilots, you might realize is would be wise to stop spouting the company BS.
As for the CRS boys, kuddos to them for finding such a nice little slot in life.
I have compared my roster to theirs for the past year and the difference is unbelievable. They get two pre-assigned pairings a month (their own choice) and apparently...... LEAVE whenever they choose. So don't be too grateful towards the two individuals who average..... one CRS training day (6 hours) each month and it is ROSTERED!
Sadly, they are all too eager to express the company mantra that our rosters are NOT manipulated in any way. If you are on EKallPlilots, then you probably have read some of the self-serving retorts from the CRS BID HELP pilots.
I mean come on!! The system is simple and if you are in doubt, or even NOT in doubt about your bidding abilities, run the analyzer and it should give a relatively good idea of your next month. Unfortunately, the analyzer has little to do with reality.
I don't blame these 2 guys for taking advantage of the situation, but I do have a problem with the fact that they are not honest with us...... THEIR COLLEAGUES..... regarding the company manipulation of our rosters. I would hold them in higher esteem if not for the fact that they have found a niche in life and have become all to eager to BS us, their colleagues ... about how CRS is being utilized.
Their fallback line is always,''you must have bid incorrectly''. What a load of crap! I bid my months and then punch out the analyzer and it shows me exactly what I should expect to receive based on my seniority. Yet when the roster is published, it bears little resemblance to what CRS should have assigned.
Damn, I would cheerfully answer FIVE HUNDRED emails queries a month to get those Rosters!! Hell, anyone could answer those emails if they had a 'Rostered' CRS BID HELP day on their already luxurious roster because rarely do pilots show up for CRS help on their day off to learn a system that should have been taught by the company in the first place!!
Gotta hand it to the CRS boys, they have found the one and only crack in the Emirates punitive rostering system (other than being in management).
How about just being honest with us though? ''Yeah sorry fellows, the system is not being used according to how it was designed, but I will do my best to help you out'' ?
Believe me, most EK pilots already know what a privileged position it is to be the CRS help dude, but if you consider the fact that you so are entrenched, and your priviliged rosters have little effect on the other 2500 pilots, you might realize is would be wise to stop spouting the company BS.
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Bidding?? You gotta be joking!
Seniority, bid group, bidding strategies.... just an illusion to make you feel like you've got a choice in the matter.
Rostering system is rife with manipulations (pre-assignments for training; management pilot cherry picking trips etc..) and constraints which prevent the software package from working as intended.
Best advice, don't expect the bidding system to always work the way you'd like it to work. Sometimes it's fantastic what can come out of the system, others.. just plain tragic, painful and fatiguing..
On the bright side, each roster delivery day is like a surprise party.... you can keep discovering each and every month you are here..
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Seniority, bid group, bidding strategies.... just an illusion to make you feel like you've got a choice in the matter.
Rostering system is rife with manipulations (pre-assignments for training; management pilot cherry picking trips etc..) and constraints which prevent the software package from working as intended.
Best advice, don't expect the bidding system to always work the way you'd like it to work. Sometimes it's fantastic what can come out of the system, others.. just plain tragic, painful and fatiguing..
On the bright side, each roster delivery day is like a surprise party.... you can keep discovering each and every month you are here..
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Mensa,
I HUGELY think you're barking up the wrong tree here. For starters, have you looked at the fleet they're on? I know one is 77, so that would be a reason for a decent sched most months. Also, have you thought about the fact that they know the system inside out, could be a just reason for better bids than you and me?
I've gone to them for answers about certain roster "queries" and they've always been frank about how and why things got messed up. The files that CRS spit out with the rosters explain how it arrived at what it did and they can decipher from that and give you a reasoned response. Try talking to them sometime.
I think a big part of it is the line pilots are hanging onto two things: 1. What their rosters were with the old bidding system when the airline was a lot smaller and more stable (ie. management decisions pre AAR) 2. Guys expect too much in their bottom bids, even running into middle bid.
If you're on the airbus, good luck with anything. Training takes a large portion of the good flights, or enough to severly limit choices for the line guys. And don't even get me stared on the restrictions the company has built into the CRS program. It's useless on it's own with what they've done to it.
What I'm getting at is I think you're pointing the finger the wrong way. Your crap rosters are directly attributable to management and their poor planning of this airline. Too few pilots, too many bidding restrictions and too high of expectations of bidding outcomes. Once you do what I did - lower my expectations and ask the CRS guys lots of questions, you'll soon get more out bidding than less. Try it, it might work out!
(unless you're 330/340, then good luck!)
CO
PS. Might want to check the pre-assigned trips for these guys, I think it's one a month, not two; same as all the other ground jobs like recruitment, etc.
I HUGELY think you're barking up the wrong tree here. For starters, have you looked at the fleet they're on? I know one is 77, so that would be a reason for a decent sched most months. Also, have you thought about the fact that they know the system inside out, could be a just reason for better bids than you and me?
I've gone to them for answers about certain roster "queries" and they've always been frank about how and why things got messed up. The files that CRS spit out with the rosters explain how it arrived at what it did and they can decipher from that and give you a reasoned response. Try talking to them sometime.
I think a big part of it is the line pilots are hanging onto two things: 1. What their rosters were with the old bidding system when the airline was a lot smaller and more stable (ie. management decisions pre AAR) 2. Guys expect too much in their bottom bids, even running into middle bid.
If you're on the airbus, good luck with anything. Training takes a large portion of the good flights, or enough to severly limit choices for the line guys. And don't even get me stared on the restrictions the company has built into the CRS program. It's useless on it's own with what they've done to it.
What I'm getting at is I think you're pointing the finger the wrong way. Your crap rosters are directly attributable to management and their poor planning of this airline. Too few pilots, too many bidding restrictions and too high of expectations of bidding outcomes. Once you do what I did - lower my expectations and ask the CRS guys lots of questions, you'll soon get more out bidding than less. Try it, it might work out!
(unless you're 330/340, then good luck!)
CO
PS. Might want to check the pre-assigned trips for these guys, I think it's one a month, not two; same as all the other ground jobs like recruitment, etc.
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I never stated or even implied blame upon the CRS boys!
And yes I have looked at which fleets they are on, because that is quite obviously a huge difference at EK and I have talked to them as have most pilots here.
I also know the system extremely well although admittedly they are privy to more information than the rest of us.
If the system is so transparent and honest, then explain the following to me. 1- Why doesn't our published roster spit out the exact results of why it was awarded in such a manner? Not only would that be a great learning experience for all of us, but it would clearly show when the system is not being utilized in the manner it was designed. 2- Why hasn't the company enabled the function that displays a big fricken M, when a pairing has been manually inserted?
Both of those functions are part of the STANDARD package for this bidding system, not an added feature, not an extra cost, so pls explain why Emirates has disabled those functions!
I never pointed the finger in any direction......... other than directly at the company! I an not even pissed off that one of these guys got the same number of OFF DAYS in one month as I got in 2 months and averages well above his fleet specific average for days off, or the fact that he has had 3 Leave Periods in the time frame since my last Leave period or that they typically do about 75% of my work schedule. Good for them IMHO! But I am pissed off that the system is being manipulated by the company.
I would just appreciate if these guys would acknowledge the fact that they have placed themselves in an enviable position compared to other Line pilots. Simple as that! And yes, I do envy them but I don't hold it against them, they were smart to take advantage of things and besides, 2 guys getting a better roster each month has almost zero impact on me.
But take into account the myriad of OTHER pilots who get preferential treatment and then it starts to add up. Locals for example (some anyhow), definitely get preferentail treatment and that does not even take into account that they have a much higher sick-rate for lousy trips.
If the bidding system ever becomes transparent and is used according to its underlying principles, then I will drop the subject. But we all know that will NEVER occur.
ps. my expectations couldn't be much lower now, so that 'tip' of yours won't work.
And yes I have looked at which fleets they are on, because that is quite obviously a huge difference at EK and I have talked to them as have most pilots here.
I also know the system extremely well although admittedly they are privy to more information than the rest of us.
If the system is so transparent and honest, then explain the following to me. 1- Why doesn't our published roster spit out the exact results of why it was awarded in such a manner? Not only would that be a great learning experience for all of us, but it would clearly show when the system is not being utilized in the manner it was designed. 2- Why hasn't the company enabled the function that displays a big fricken M, when a pairing has been manually inserted?
Both of those functions are part of the STANDARD package for this bidding system, not an added feature, not an extra cost, so pls explain why Emirates has disabled those functions!
I never pointed the finger in any direction......... other than directly at the company! I an not even pissed off that one of these guys got the same number of OFF DAYS in one month as I got in 2 months and averages well above his fleet specific average for days off, or the fact that he has had 3 Leave Periods in the time frame since my last Leave period or that they typically do about 75% of my work schedule. Good for them IMHO! But I am pissed off that the system is being manipulated by the company.
I would just appreciate if these guys would acknowledge the fact that they have placed themselves in an enviable position compared to other Line pilots. Simple as that! And yes, I do envy them but I don't hold it against them, they were smart to take advantage of things and besides, 2 guys getting a better roster each month has almost zero impact on me.
But take into account the myriad of OTHER pilots who get preferential treatment and then it starts to add up. Locals for example (some anyhow), definitely get preferentail treatment and that does not even take into account that they have a much higher sick-rate for lousy trips.
If the bidding system ever becomes transparent and is used according to its underlying principles, then I will drop the subject. But we all know that will NEVER occur.
ps. my expectations couldn't be much lower now, so that 'tip' of yours won't work.
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I don't really care to waste my time on this fight as i think you get the most of it. Hey, if you want in on their gig, apply, there's sure to be more help required down the road, especially with 500 or so newbies coming in the next two years (or so they hope).
But i must quote a few things -
Yep, they go into the office for one day a month AND spend hours of their own time to try and help the pilots understand what went wrong, as that's their core task with the job.
I have to make sure you understand the analyzer - you do realize it operates in isolation to show you what you're feeding the computer, NOT comparing you relative to your seniority for that month? For example, there's gonna be no VIE, HAM, BKK etc in the bottom few bids as nobody but training leeching them out, gets them (outside the odd fluke).
Seems to be pointing the finger and calling people "liars" to me. You obviously haven't got to know either of them, one i know for sure is a stand up guy.
Why don't you start hounding whomever is in charge of this department, you might as well try to slip through the crack too!
Hey, i think rostering is a joke too. It's manipulated with way to much and hence, doesn't function very well. But that's all done from the companies' side, not these guys. Do you even know their function? I'll spell it out - to help fellow pilots iron out their personal mistakes from the system so as to acheive the highest roster satisfaction they can. These guys spend probably 5-15 hours a month of their own time above the office day in exchange for ONE flight choice a month. Kind of a "you scratch my back, i'll scratch yours" situation. What's the alternative, some indian doing SFA for you in the office when you try to comprehend why you have 6 night turns AGAIN? Good luck with that.
You also have to realize at times they're banging their heads against the wall. We pilots can be stubborn (dare i say closed minded?!) about being told we're wrong. I remember a guy bitching on a flight how he had 12 days off (the good old days), then a europe trip, then his leave - he was insensed! So i called one of the guys to find out what happened and he said he bid his string towards the vacation, instead of starting the string at the vacation and working backwards. I happened to run into the guy a couple of weeks later and told him what happened and he categorically denied it! His work and obviously crap memory versus what was evidence in the computer. I'll take the computer.
One of the MANY stories about it. Honestly, if you get a crap sched, go in one day and have them explain why, you could learn something and apply it to future bidding.
As for me, i've taken in some advice, learned from my mistakes and had the best rosters in the last year; aside from the 90+ hours that i don't want to fly and honestly, is unsustainable.
You need to rethink where you're throwing the mud. IT IS THE COMPANY 100%. Their planning or lack thereof, lack of respect for us and general desire to treat the "hired help" a certain way is what makes working here a chore a lot of the time. They have no desire to help us, even in trying personal times, except for some good doctors at the clinic. Expat management has sold their soul to the devil for $$s, doing what will get them the short term attention, promotions and bonuses and totally ruining our lives in the mean time. And totally compromising the long term viability of this company. If it weren't for some strategic benefits that we have here (geographical location, very cheap labour, probably cheap fuel), we would've faded into the desert long ago. Worst management I've seen, mainly on the human side of the equation.
When i came here many years ago, it was good, not great, but good and had lots of potential. That potential has all but been crushed in to the sand that this place will return to in the long run. The writing is on the wall and after i milk it for what i can, i'll be heading home to enjoy life in a society. Until then, I'm sure you'll agree, rostering is critical for that, I'm thankful to have some help that truly understands both sides of the fence.
Good luck, I hope it all works out for you.
CO
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So don't be too grateful towards the two individuals who average..... one CRS training day (6 hours) each month and it is ROSTERED!
The system is simple and if you are in doubt, or even NOT in doubt about your bidding abilities, run the analyzer and it should give a relatively good idea of your next month. Unfortunately, the analyzer has little to do with reality
Their fallback line is always,''you must have bid incorrectly''. What a load of crap! I bid my months and then punch out the analyzer and it shows me exactly what I should expect to receive based on my seniority. Yet when the roster is published, it bears little resemblance to what CRS should have assigned.
I don't blame these 2 guys for taking advantage of the situation, but I do have a problem with the fact that they are not honest with us...... THEIR COLLEAGUES..... regarding the company manipulation of our rosters. I would hold them in higher esteem if not for the fact that they have found a niche in life and have become all to eager to BS us, their colleagues ... about how CRS is being utilized.
Gotta hand it to the CRS boys, they have found the one and only crack in the Emirates punitive rostering system (other than being in management).
Hey, i think rostering is a joke too. It's manipulated with way to much and hence, doesn't function very well. But that's all done from the companies' side, not these guys. Do you even know their function? I'll spell it out - to help fellow pilots iron out their personal mistakes from the system so as to acheive the highest roster satisfaction they can. These guys spend probably 5-15 hours a month of their own time above the office day in exchange for ONE flight choice a month. Kind of a "you scratch my back, i'll scratch yours" situation. What's the alternative, some indian doing SFA for you in the office when you try to comprehend why you have 6 night turns AGAIN? Good luck with that.
You also have to realize at times they're banging their heads against the wall. We pilots can be stubborn (dare i say closed minded?!) about being told we're wrong. I remember a guy bitching on a flight how he had 12 days off (the good old days), then a europe trip, then his leave - he was insensed! So i called one of the guys to find out what happened and he said he bid his string towards the vacation, instead of starting the string at the vacation and working backwards. I happened to run into the guy a couple of weeks later and told him what happened and he categorically denied it! His work and obviously crap memory versus what was evidence in the computer. I'll take the computer.
One of the MANY stories about it. Honestly, if you get a crap sched, go in one day and have them explain why, you could learn something and apply it to future bidding.
As for me, i've taken in some advice, learned from my mistakes and had the best rosters in the last year; aside from the 90+ hours that i don't want to fly and honestly, is unsustainable.
You need to rethink where you're throwing the mud. IT IS THE COMPANY 100%. Their planning or lack thereof, lack of respect for us and general desire to treat the "hired help" a certain way is what makes working here a chore a lot of the time. They have no desire to help us, even in trying personal times, except for some good doctors at the clinic. Expat management has sold their soul to the devil for $$s, doing what will get them the short term attention, promotions and bonuses and totally ruining our lives in the mean time. And totally compromising the long term viability of this company. If it weren't for some strategic benefits that we have here (geographical location, very cheap labour, probably cheap fuel), we would've faded into the desert long ago. Worst management I've seen, mainly on the human side of the equation.
When i came here many years ago, it was good, not great, but good and had lots of potential. That potential has all but been crushed in to the sand that this place will return to in the long run. The writing is on the wall and after i milk it for what i can, i'll be heading home to enjoy life in a society. Until then, I'm sure you'll agree, rostering is critical for that, I'm thankful to have some help that truly understands both sides of the fence.
Good luck, I hope it all works out for you.
CO
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Geez.. Maybe I shouldnt come to Emirates. I'll stick to my A320 in Australia. Sounds very bad to work for EK!
BTW anyone flying MEL - KUL A340-500 on 4th May?
BTW anyone flying MEL - KUL A340-500 on 4th May?
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Ok fine CO, I agree that my posts could be perceived to be taking a shot at the CRS guys, but that was not my intent and I thought that was clear. I concede though how you and perhaps others, might have perceived it differently. My apologies.
The analyzer considers you as the top bidding person when it spouts out the results. Of course, when I see 30 NCE flights at the top of the analyzer in the summer, I realize there is little chance I will be awarded those trips. But when I see 500 prefered trips at the top of the analyzer and I received NONE of them in my top bid month, let alone the top 2 months, then there is something wrong!
Just because some pilots make errors I don't think the rest of us should be lumped into that category. I guess the one thing that somewhat annoys me is what I perceive to be an over-eagerness to defend a system that clearly is not be utilized as it was designed.
The big frickin M, and the added page showing why the system awarded our rosters would answer 9 out of 10 queries directed to the CRS guys. It would also be a learning tool which is far superior to the learning experienced when someone gets irate over their awarded roster (which may be justified or due to an error on their part). Institute these two 'free' functions and the only requirement would be a 2 hour initial training course how the system operates.
Yes, I realize that the company will not do this, because it would categorically prove they are manipulating the system!
The analyzer considers you as the top bidding person when it spouts out the results. Of course, when I see 30 NCE flights at the top of the analyzer in the summer, I realize there is little chance I will be awarded those trips. But when I see 500 prefered trips at the top of the analyzer and I received NONE of them in my top bid month, let alone the top 2 months, then there is something wrong!
Just because some pilots make errors I don't think the rest of us should be lumped into that category. I guess the one thing that somewhat annoys me is what I perceive to be an over-eagerness to defend a system that clearly is not be utilized as it was designed.
The big frickin M, and the added page showing why the system awarded our rosters would answer 9 out of 10 queries directed to the CRS guys. It would also be a learning tool which is far superior to the learning experienced when someone gets irate over their awarded roster (which may be justified or due to an error on their part). Institute these two 'free' functions and the only requirement would be a 2 hour initial training course how the system operates.
Yes, I realize that the company will not do this, because it would categorically prove they are manipulating the system!
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Get Your Facts Straight Mensa
Mensa, your intitial post on this thread included numerous lies and mistatements about the CRS guys and the benefits they receive. When called to task by CO, you remind me of the New York times that prints retractions on page 18 half-way down the page, center column on the left
I for one would like to see the posts on this site start to take on some credibility, and not just individual rantings by anonymous posters. Try it Mensa and I'm sure you'll gain some respect
I for one would like to see the posts on this site start to take on some credibility, and not just individual rantings by anonymous posters. Try it Mensa and I'm sure you'll gain some respect
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Numerous mistatements? I wish you had mentioned at least ONE untruth regarding what is wrong with the CRS bidding system so I could have demonstrated that you know nothing about what you speak. How is life in Abu Dhabi by the way? As far as I know, you don't use (or should I say mis-use) the CRS system so your credibility is definitely in question.
As for my ''retraction'', which actually was not a retraction but rather an acknowledgement that minor parts of my post might have been misconstrued...... wasn't exactly printed on page 18 and the far left column of the NY Times was it?
Why do you Repubs have such an inability to disagree with authority? It still fascinates me that a minority of seemingly intelligent Americans like you, are unable to admit that the entire GWB episode was the biggest mistake in American history? Every time I hear you guys on the radio saying 'sir' at the beginning or end of your RT, it amuses me. You have an inate desire to please authority, probably hoping you might receive preferential treatment by kissing ass or simply that you 'deep-down' lack confidence in yourself. I'm sure ED expected to be treated with respect simply due his position of authority when he came here, which in part explains why he was held in such disregard but I believe it had as much to do with his lack of intelligence.
I have received about 50 PM's regarding my posts and other than about 3 childish PM's from the likes of people such as Jack Bauer (aka OJGuilty) and TangoUniform, the PM's are well written, logical and agree with a particular post. In addition, many people have alluded to the fact that they don't feel this forum is totally anonymous and they fear repercussions if they were to post similar POV's.
ONCE AGAIN (third time I believe), I hold nothing against the CRS boys other than I wish they would admit that the company is manipulating the CRS bidding system. And (second time I believe) I admit that my posts should have been toned down and 100% directed at the company.
I"m not bitching about the perks the CRS boys receive but simply stating the truth about our bidding system but do you honestly believe those guys don't get preferential treatment when it comes to each months Roster and even annual Leave?
I admire those guys if truth be known, but only because their benefits have little effect on the rest of us.
If anyone believes I have a personal vendetta against either of these decent people, then ask yourself why I haven't posted their rosters for the last year on this site because it would prove my point. Well, OK, that would be unfair and not exactly in-line with the underlying principles of this forum and it never crossed my mind to abuse our privilege here, but suffice to say.... compare their annual Rosters to the rest of us and you would think we worked for different airlines!
I have no grief with the CRS lads, in fact my second sentence of my first post, stated..
''KUDOS TO THEM''.
In a nutshell, people should know that the CRS bidding system at EK, is a joke.
There would be no need for CRS help dudes if the system was utilized in the proper manner. Show us the big M and how the system awarded our Rosters and end of story!
If you can't understand the system with those two functions, then you probably deserve to get a crappy roster.
Off topic now and just to illicite the ire of my detractors who are the few, the proud and the mentally challenged..... Obama has accomplished more positive things in a year than Bush did in 8 years. I won't even get into the negatives things that Mr IQ 90 did because he was simply a pawn of the far right wing lunatics in that great country.
As for my ''retraction'', which actually was not a retraction but rather an acknowledgement that minor parts of my post might have been misconstrued...... wasn't exactly printed on page 18 and the far left column of the NY Times was it?
Why do you Repubs have such an inability to disagree with authority? It still fascinates me that a minority of seemingly intelligent Americans like you, are unable to admit that the entire GWB episode was the biggest mistake in American history? Every time I hear you guys on the radio saying 'sir' at the beginning or end of your RT, it amuses me. You have an inate desire to please authority, probably hoping you might receive preferential treatment by kissing ass or simply that you 'deep-down' lack confidence in yourself. I'm sure ED expected to be treated with respect simply due his position of authority when he came here, which in part explains why he was held in such disregard but I believe it had as much to do with his lack of intelligence.
I have received about 50 PM's regarding my posts and other than about 3 childish PM's from the likes of people such as Jack Bauer (aka OJGuilty) and TangoUniform, the PM's are well written, logical and agree with a particular post. In addition, many people have alluded to the fact that they don't feel this forum is totally anonymous and they fear repercussions if they were to post similar POV's.
ONCE AGAIN (third time I believe), I hold nothing against the CRS boys other than I wish they would admit that the company is manipulating the CRS bidding system. And (second time I believe) I admit that my posts should have been toned down and 100% directed at the company.
I"m not bitching about the perks the CRS boys receive but simply stating the truth about our bidding system but do you honestly believe those guys don't get preferential treatment when it comes to each months Roster and even annual Leave?
I admire those guys if truth be known, but only because their benefits have little effect on the rest of us.
If anyone believes I have a personal vendetta against either of these decent people, then ask yourself why I haven't posted their rosters for the last year on this site because it would prove my point. Well, OK, that would be unfair and not exactly in-line with the underlying principles of this forum and it never crossed my mind to abuse our privilege here, but suffice to say.... compare their annual Rosters to the rest of us and you would think we worked for different airlines!
I have no grief with the CRS lads, in fact my second sentence of my first post, stated..
''KUDOS TO THEM''.
In a nutshell, people should know that the CRS bidding system at EK, is a joke.
There would be no need for CRS help dudes if the system was utilized in the proper manner. Show us the big M and how the system awarded our Rosters and end of story!
If you can't understand the system with those two functions, then you probably deserve to get a crappy roster.
Off topic now and just to illicite the ire of my detractors who are the few, the proud and the mentally challenged..... Obama has accomplished more positive things in a year than Bush did in 8 years. I won't even get into the negatives things that Mr IQ 90 did because he was simply a pawn of the far right wing lunatics in that great country.
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mensa,
The CRS is being used exactly as it was designed. It is an expensive tool that the company uses to extract the most work possible out of it's workers, while at the same time giving the illusion that it is for the "crew".
CRS saves the company money, nothing more, nothing less.
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The CRS is being used exactly as it was designed. It is an expensive tool that the company uses to extract the most work possible out of it's workers, while at the same time giving the illusion that it is for the "crew".
CRS saves the company money, nothing more, nothing less.
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