100 pilot's sick in EK A/C on ground.. LACK OF CREW!!!
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3 long hauls= 92 hours?
Try an Airbus schedule. 92 hours is downright dangerous on the bus fleet. Can you imagine AS or MM doing this type of flying? Not on your life.... It's completely exhausting and the most unsafe flying in the company. I'm not surprised there are 100 sick people out there. It will continue...
Try an Airbus schedule. 92 hours is downright dangerous on the bus fleet. Can you imagine AS or MM doing this type of flying? Not on your life.... It's completely exhausting and the most unsafe flying in the company. I'm not surprised there are 100 sick people out there. It will continue...
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Human nature tends to be driven by satisfying their own needs.........so if 100 call in sick.......another 100 will MOST probably take their places and keep the planes flying. eg a TRE who is tired of doing sim, checking, training blah blah or a poorly paid FO who needs the money at the end of the month, a guy who doesn't read Pprune and doesn't give a damn about what the masses think about EK...the list is endless. Pilots will always play into the hands of management as long as we're not unionised.
Since that ain't gonna happen in UAE........the "fabble/fairy tale" of parked a/c in EK shall remain that.....an "......l heard EK has grounded 3 a/c......."
Since that ain't gonna happen in UAE........the "fabble/fairy tale" of parked a/c in EK shall remain that.....an "......l heard EK has grounded 3 a/c......."
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Has it occured to you that these guys might genuinly be fatigued or sick??? Therefore only doing their professional duty as per FOM and call in sick???
I very much think that this is the case, as most guys i fly with are fine professionals, only lead by unprofessional managers.
The real danger and the problems comes from the latter, make no mistake. It is NOT the problem of the sick or fatigued as to who will eventually fly their flights or not. If aircraft stay on ground it's the fault of EK!
The fault of pilots only sets in if they went on operating when fatigued or sick and this applies to those on reserve just as much.
We all feel the pinch of fatigue the new shafting of EK puts upon us. No wonder sickness rate increases.
Note: Funny enough to read AS's whinging about captains having to better manage the mess EKs mismanagers are constantly concocting! As tired as we all are, every delay or diversion pushing us into discretion immediatly, it is only human that we couldn't care less about this mess. Yes, we know that the customers expect more from the company and they pay for our service, but we simply run out of energy and motivation to stand in for those who create the mess but take the profit share, leaving us alone with 18.6% school fee increase etc. etc..
It is now only up to them to provide the manpower and eventually the T&Cs to mend the fences.
Has it occured to you that these guys might genuinly be fatigued or sick??? Therefore only doing their professional duty as per FOM and call in sick???
I very much think that this is the case, as most guys i fly with are fine professionals, only lead by unprofessional managers.
The real danger and the problems comes from the latter, make no mistake. It is NOT the problem of the sick or fatigued as to who will eventually fly their flights or not. If aircraft stay on ground it's the fault of EK!
The fault of pilots only sets in if they went on operating when fatigued or sick and this applies to those on reserve just as much.
We all feel the pinch of fatigue the new shafting of EK puts upon us. No wonder sickness rate increases.
Note: Funny enough to read AS's whinging about captains having to better manage the mess EKs mismanagers are constantly concocting! As tired as we all are, every delay or diversion pushing us into discretion immediatly, it is only human that we couldn't care less about this mess. Yes, we know that the customers expect more from the company and they pay for our service, but we simply run out of energy and motivation to stand in for those who create the mess but take the profit share, leaving us alone with 18.6% school fee increase etc. etc..
It is now only up to them to provide the manpower and eventually the T&Cs to mend the fences.
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Thread drift but need to clarify....
MTOW
"ManaAda's user name would lead anyone with even a passing knowledge of Bahasa Malay to come to the conclusion that he might be Malaysian. (The name, which i'll leave him to explain lest I offend if I did, is a play on the national airline's initials.)
If that's the case, he may be one of the many Malaysian's who took a little too enthusiastically to the views of the ex Prime Minister of that country, the good Dr M, who often and repeatedly blamed Australians for every woe and misfortune that befell his lovely country."
I seriously doubt ManaAdaSystem is Malaysian. Ex-MAS/MH expat most likely. Not one of us-lah.
With his 10K hours and P1 on B737 EFIS but no LHS on Widebody I doubt he's Malaysian unless he jumped ship to AirAsia. Most Malaysian Nationals with that amount of total time would be now LHS widebody in MAS/MH.
"ManaAda's user name would lead anyone with even a passing knowledge of Bahasa Malay to come to the conclusion that he might be Malaysian. (The name, which i'll leave him to explain lest I offend if I did, is a play on the national airline's initials.)
If that's the case, he may be one of the many Malaysian's who took a little too enthusiastically to the views of the ex Prime Minister of that country, the good Dr M, who often and repeatedly blamed Australians for every woe and misfortune that befell his lovely country."
I seriously doubt ManaAdaSystem is Malaysian. Ex-MAS/MH expat most likely. Not one of us-lah.
With his 10K hours and P1 on B737 EFIS but no LHS on Widebody I doubt he's Malaysian unless he jumped ship to AirAsia. Most Malaysian Nationals with that amount of total time would be now LHS widebody in MAS/MH.
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WOW!!! EK has gotton that bad??? I was turned down from even interviewing with EK two yrs ago due to having incomplete right bundle branch. Now this is nothing more than an eletrical impulse in the heart and I still hold a first class medical here in the USA with no issues or restrictions. Many people have it and dont even know it and it doesnt always show on an ekg. Well about three weeks ago I get this email from them asking me to reapply and thought nothing of it until now.
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Guys
The email everyone got as to reapply was sent to everyone who had application on file with them. it was computer generated...it doesn't really mean they want to interview you...My friend with 3000 hours total time got the same email just because he had a application in the system. Good Luck to all.
The email everyone got as to reapply was sent to everyone who had application on file with them. it was computer generated...it doesn't really mean they want to interview you...My friend with 3000 hours total time got the same email just because he had a application in the system. Good Luck to all.
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Same same south down the road.
So short of crews both seats on A320 that they have to cancel sim sessions to cover flights, because of pilots calling sick.
On top of that, A320 trainers resign as well as others on other fleets, but officialy the attrition rate is very low ( 20% of the A320 trainers and a few more to come ..... low my a
s ....)
So short of crews both seats on A320 that they have to cancel sim sessions to cover flights, because of pilots calling sick.
On top of that, A320 trainers resign as well as others on other fleets, but officialy the attrition rate is very low ( 20% of the A320 trainers and a few more to come ..... low my a
s ....)
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Where did you get this number from? Portal doesn't give SK option. Did you ring crew control?
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In other airlines...4% or 5% is not normal. For instance, a small Cia with 50 pilots and 5 planes. 4% 5%, means 2 pilots sick
They can not permit for mamy reasons. The most important SAFETY
They can not permit for mamy reasons. The most important SAFETY
The email everyone got as to reapply was sent to everyone who had application on file with them.
Surely if it was that great they would have hundreds of suitable candidates knocking at the door and wouldn't need to chase up people who applied years ago ?
From what I gather, even a low cost in a civilised country is a better bet ?
