100 pilot's sick in EK A/C on ground.. LACK OF CREW!!!
No I can't guarantee that no VPN was used.
MANAx2 do use EK management speak, but that is not hard to replicate is it. They must be desperate, if they come one Pprune wouldn't you say
Carry on.
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MANAx2 do use EK management speak, but that is not hard to replicate is it. They must be desperate, if they come one Pprune wouldn't you say
Carry on.
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Bloody right they are desparate... for example, rejecting candidates and then 2 months later calling them back...."We've reconsidered...." etcetc and offering them a job; I have names
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This thread's gone pretty quiet. Lots of sheepish ppruners out there?
I stopped reading Mana's crap hafway through his second post and gave up on the thread in general a page later. Mana's posts aren't even funny in a wind-up way. Just pointless.
I can't believe so many otherwise intelligent posters went in for his gag of pretending to be management "engaging" the pilots on pprune. And Lancer is STILL buying what Mana's selling!
Even 411A stayed away.....
Maybe he forgot to take his pills?
I stopped reading Mana's crap hafway through his second post and gave up on the thread in general a page later. Mana's posts aren't even funny in a wind-up way. Just pointless.
I can't believe so many otherwise intelligent posters went in for his gag of pretending to be management "engaging" the pilots on pprune. And Lancer is STILL buying what Mana's selling!
Even 411A stayed away.....
Maybe he forgot to take his pills?
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So in essence, no AOG and the 100 pilots being sick was just a shame ?
Or is it another thread that has gone belly up as usual and left us clutching at who Mana is .........or the definition of fatigue..........EK management...blah blah blah.........
I think we have beat that dead dog.....dead
With 100% certainity can tell how any topic involving EK will end........even if it's not related to fatigue, management, thread creep it will quickly roll towards these issues........come on guys "land your planes......"
I think we are more mentally capable than that lads.....hit us with something fresh ..........
Or is it another thread that has gone belly up as usual and left us clutching at who Mana is .........or the definition of fatigue..........EK management...blah blah blah.........
I think we have beat that dead dog.....deadWith 100% certainity can tell how any topic involving EK will end........even if it's not related to fatigue, management, thread creep it will quickly roll towards these issues........come on guys "land your planes......"
I think we are more mentally capable than that lads.....hit us with something fresh ..........
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Any suggestions to get ones App pushed up the food chain
I understand that things are not as they once were at Emirates, but if you are an American, there are NO JOBS here. My app is "under review" and while I am sure things are tough, it is to the point of desperation in the US.
I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle. -- Winston Churchill We don't get it yet in this country.
I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle. -- Winston Churchill We don't get it yet in this country.
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Just to get back to the thread 100 pilots sick, I believe there must be some truth in it, as my semi military contracting firm has now decided to email all pilots that if we go sick even for one day that we must go to our original aeromedical doctor to sign us off. Even to a normal doctor for a cold for one day this is not acceptable, it now is with the companys AME in dubai and as all the pilots and myself live in Al ain it can be slightly difficult.
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Productivity pay (overtime) used to kick in around 78 hours depending on the amount of days in that month.
That has been arbitrarily moved to around 92 hours for the month with no increase in base pay and no increase in credits for leave, sim etc.
This move in achievable productivity pay threshold does several things.
Firstly it makes the pilot group p!ssed off toward the managers who sent out the embossed letter advising of the change.
Secondly the company gets potentially around 15% more work out of the pilots for free.
Thirdly the whole idea of productivity pay is to entice productivity. But since the higher target makes you tired, pissed off and still no better off financially, regardless of the fatigue issue, you may as well call in sick.
That, l think, is the essence of the thread. There are more people calling sick now than before the change in hours of potential productivity.
The management may argue that the introduction of hourly flight pay covers for this. Well it doesn't even come close. And flight pay was introduced so that it would not be included in the CONTRACTED 3% annual pay rise and any annual bonus.
Could go on outlining all the dastardly schemes that they think up but have to jump on the hamster wheel to feed the family.
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That has been arbitrarily moved to around 92 hours for the month with no increase in base pay and no increase in credits for leave, sim etc.
This move in achievable productivity pay threshold does several things.
Firstly it makes the pilot group p!ssed off toward the managers who sent out the embossed letter advising of the change.
Secondly the company gets potentially around 15% more work out of the pilots for free.
Thirdly the whole idea of productivity pay is to entice productivity. But since the higher target makes you tired, pissed off and still no better off financially, regardless of the fatigue issue, you may as well call in sick.
That, l think, is the essence of the thread. There are more people calling sick now than before the change in hours of potential productivity.
The management may argue that the introduction of hourly flight pay covers for this. Well it doesn't even come close. And flight pay was introduced so that it would not be included in the CONTRACTED 3% annual pay rise and any annual bonus.
Could go on outlining all the dastardly schemes that they think up but have to jump on the hamster wheel to feed the family.
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Larry,
I'll keep my first post on PPrune very simple.
As a guy from the States in your shoes two years ago, listen carefuly to my advise.
Do not make the jump over here.
Period
Flamebait or not, re read the previous posts to get an idea of life over here.
You will have a better QOL at a Regional.
FP
I'll keep my first post on PPrune very simple.
As a guy from the States in your shoes two years ago, listen carefuly to my advise.
Do not make the jump over here.
Period
Flamebait or not, re read the previous posts to get an idea of life over here.
You will have a better QOL at a Regional.
FP
The management may argue that the introduction of hourly flight pay covers for this. Well it doesn't even come close. And flight pay was introduced so that it would not be included in the CONTRACTED 3% annual pay rise
All you say is true, except for the above. The 3% is not in our contract.
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Agreeably, the 3% annual increment may not be in our contracts (don't know for sure since all contracts mysteriously evaporate a few years after they are issued.... some form of self-destroying paper I suspect) BUT every single year (except last year), pilots received the annual increment. Anyhow, there is a word for what I am trying to explain, which alludes me now, but in essence something is Contractual if it is written in such a manner that it should reasonably be expected AND historically it has occured. Then again, this is Dubai where acceptable norms are NOT ACCEPTABLE laws.
Larry, I feel for your lot in life, but I guarantee you will regret the decision to come to Emirates Airline because you are under pressure and stress at the moment. The last 3 F/O's I flew with were the nicest guys you could ever hope to fly with (2 Americans and one European), yet they were so twisted about what has gone on in their 1.5 to 3 year careers at EK. Each of them expressed that they wished they never came here and more importantly, they felt trapped now that they were here.
It's only going to get worse here mate! As recent as a few months ago we had pilots on Un-paid Leave yet this company, which made a BILLION $ profit last year, continues to slash and burn our T&C's and operate well below the manpower levels required to maintain this airline.
Currently Emirates is 20kts below alpha max! We are so far behind the power curve and in addition, very few suitable pilots from ANYWHERE on this planet are even considering EK as an option, so things will only get worse over the next few years. There comes a point when such mis-management becomes unrecoverable.
It would take a huge amount of insight, introprespective thinking on the part of our managers and team effort just to get back to a level which is barely sustainable for pilots at EK. It will not happen with our Management team. (re-read that last sentence because there is not one sane person working at EK, who would disagree with that point)
Since we are so overworked, are treated pretty much like the average slave worker in Dubai and the rate of pilots leaving this place is accelerating; these facts preclude any possibility that this job will return to its glory days. I doubt this job will even attain a level that is considered tolerable by most pilots.
You might be thinking to yourself........ ''well big growth projections, pilots leaving; hmmm, maybe I can upgrade in less than 7 years'' Not going to happen!
It is easier and apparently cheaper for this company to hire DEC's, primarily because no one in their right mind should want to come here as an F/O nowadays. Once a pilot comes to EK, he is trapped! That was not my sentiment when I came here, but I hear that sentiment on almost every flight now with my colleagues.
Being unemployed or fearing redundancy is a major stress for a pilot, especially in todays environment. But you MUST heed the warnings about Dubai and EK. There are no ulterior motives of negative posters on this forum, which might not have been the case in the past. What I'm trying to say is this, even if we get a 50% payrise, our present level of work and our treatment by management means that this job is no longer tolerable. It's not a matter of money, it boils down to flight-safety,YOUR health and lifestyle.
Emirates is ONE accident away from crumbling and that is not even taking into account that Dubai itself is on an unavoidable downward spiral.
If you believe that what is going on in the USA is a result of overtaxation and not the fact that the country has lived beyond its means for a generation, then you are in for a rude awakening in Dubai. You are probably a very nice person, as are most Yanks, but it seems you have no clue of what you will have to tolerate if you come to THIS cesspool.
In spite of how much I think you might be about to make a terrible decision, I completely understand why you hold such a POV and I wish you the best of luck!
Larry, I feel for your lot in life, but I guarantee you will regret the decision to come to Emirates Airline because you are under pressure and stress at the moment. The last 3 F/O's I flew with were the nicest guys you could ever hope to fly with (2 Americans and one European), yet they were so twisted about what has gone on in their 1.5 to 3 year careers at EK. Each of them expressed that they wished they never came here and more importantly, they felt trapped now that they were here.
It's only going to get worse here mate! As recent as a few months ago we had pilots on Un-paid Leave yet this company, which made a BILLION $ profit last year, continues to slash and burn our T&C's and operate well below the manpower levels required to maintain this airline.
Currently Emirates is 20kts below alpha max! We are so far behind the power curve and in addition, very few suitable pilots from ANYWHERE on this planet are even considering EK as an option, so things will only get worse over the next few years. There comes a point when such mis-management becomes unrecoverable.
It would take a huge amount of insight, introprespective thinking on the part of our managers and team effort just to get back to a level which is barely sustainable for pilots at EK. It will not happen with our Management team. (re-read that last sentence because there is not one sane person working at EK, who would disagree with that point)
Since we are so overworked, are treated pretty much like the average slave worker in Dubai and the rate of pilots leaving this place is accelerating; these facts preclude any possibility that this job will return to its glory days. I doubt this job will even attain a level that is considered tolerable by most pilots.
You might be thinking to yourself........ ''well big growth projections, pilots leaving; hmmm, maybe I can upgrade in less than 7 years'' Not going to happen!
It is easier and apparently cheaper for this company to hire DEC's, primarily because no one in their right mind should want to come here as an F/O nowadays. Once a pilot comes to EK, he is trapped! That was not my sentiment when I came here, but I hear that sentiment on almost every flight now with my colleagues.
Being unemployed or fearing redundancy is a major stress for a pilot, especially in todays environment. But you MUST heed the warnings about Dubai and EK. There are no ulterior motives of negative posters on this forum, which might not have been the case in the past. What I'm trying to say is this, even if we get a 50% payrise, our present level of work and our treatment by management means that this job is no longer tolerable. It's not a matter of money, it boils down to flight-safety,YOUR health and lifestyle.
Emirates is ONE accident away from crumbling and that is not even taking into account that Dubai itself is on an unavoidable downward spiral.
If you believe that what is going on in the USA is a result of overtaxation and not the fact that the country has lived beyond its means for a generation, then you are in for a rude awakening in Dubai. You are probably a very nice person, as are most Yanks, but it seems you have no clue of what you will have to tolerate if you come to THIS cesspool.
In spite of how much I think you might be about to make a terrible decision, I completely understand why you hold such a POV and I wish you the best of luck!
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Larry, Think about this, 3 years down the road you decide to work for a company like UPS, EK demands a 3 mth notice when you want to pull the plug. Do you think any US company will understand that? No they will give the job to the guy that can be in training in less than a mth. This is were you get trapped.
ALD may be Houston or JFK, have you done the math on buying tickets home. Atlanta used to be an ALD, not any more.
If you come, make sure you have an exit plan. The longer you stay the harder it is to get out. Listen to Mensa and Fuse Plug
ALD may be Houston or JFK, have you done the math on buying tickets home. Atlanta used to be an ALD, not any more.
If you come, make sure you have an exit plan. The longer you stay the harder it is to get out. Listen to Mensa and Fuse Plug
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Mensa,
It would take a huge amount of insight, introprespective thinking on the part of our managers and team effort just to get back to a level which is barely sustainable for pilots at EK. It will not happen with our Management team. (re-read that last sentence because there is not one sane person working at EK, who would disagree with that point)
It would take a huge amount of insight, introprespective thinking on the part of our managers and team effort just to get back to a level which is barely sustainable for pilots at EK. It will not happen with our Management team. (re-read that last sentence because there is not one sane person working at EK, who would disagree with that point)
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