Akbar swings it in the gutter in Paris
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Akbar swings it in the gutter in Paris
Qatar Airways ready to counter any "crap" from low-cost rivals
Sad when a CE has to resort to bad language on an international forum (like the Paris Air Show).
Do you thinks he's maybe a little worried?
Qatar Airways chief executive Akbar Al Baker has warned that he is ready to "push the button" with a low-cost offering to counter any "crap product" threats from local rivals. He has reiterated the warning to rivals issued at last year's Farnborough air show, saying that Qatar Airways could be in the market with a low-cost operation within 90 days if necessary. Emirates' low-cost unit FlyDubai became the latest budget operation in the Middle East region when it launched services last month. Despite the growing threat, Al Baker says that the airline doesn't "want to get on to that band wagon" but adds that if its market is eroded by a regional low-cost carrier, "then Qatar Airways will join the fashion show". The airline has an Airbus A321 configured with 220 seats for use as a back-up aircraft, which Al Baker says has been used to discreetly test its low-cost model. "So we are set to go within 90 days," he says. "I would like the regional low-costs to be wary not to intrude into our market with all this crap product. Otherwise we will immediately match them with a superior product, but of course with a crap yield like them."
Do you thinks he's maybe a little worried?
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I don't think he's worried.
After reading for a few years on PPRUNE, I have seen many pruners desribe QR as a low cost company. Whether it be for treatment of crew, pilot benefits, memos, pax handling, etc., there are numerous threads that relate QR to the low cost market. You may judge AAB's selection of words to describe his opinion of LLCs in the Gulf, but he's not that far off the truth..
After reading for a few years on PPRUNE, I have seen many pruners desribe QR as a low cost company. Whether it be for treatment of crew, pilot benefits, memos, pax handling, etc., there are numerous threads that relate QR to the low cost market. You may judge AAB's selection of words to describe his opinion of LLCs in the Gulf, but he's not that far off the truth..
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It is all very simple actually.
The person we are talking about is an arrogant frustrated person, who is just using the economical downturn as an excuse to offend everybody around him.
Basically, thanks to the recession and thanks to the virtually unlimited cash-flow at his disposition, he does not have to keep up the act anymore and he can be his old self again! Just like 8 years ago.
So there he goes, ranting and raving. He does it in house with all his employees. Pilots are being denied blankets and pillows, descent meals on board, HOTAC downgraded to 3 * all over the network. Cabin crew just lost their overtime pay without any notification.
He even boasted about firing a large amount of pilots just to set an example!
Arrogance without limits....
Nowadays he sees his stupid business model, which he copied from EK, being flushed down the drain. EU sectors are operating on 50% load factors. Premium classes are empty and Gulf sectors are being attacked by the LoCos of the region.
All this is not being helped by a totally retarded commercial department.
Cost what costs they are trying to maintain higher ticket prices than the competition, in a vain effort to yield of the competition.
The statement posted here just shows how frustrated and stupid he really is!
The A321 he is talking about is the laughing stock of the operation. It is an old airplane with 220 seats, sitting idle in Doha as a STBY airplane whenever needed. Every time it is being operated there is almost a revolt under the passengers due to the crap layout and poor AC performance.
For sure it is not a test case for a LOCO operation, it was just a clever idea from a smart a$$ beancounter that back fired heavily!
In a way, QR indeed is almost a LoCo operation. But with the top-heavy management structure of a major airline!
This man knows that, in case the crisis lasts much longer, and the competition is capable of adjusting properly, he and QR do not stand a chance! He had is chance, he blew it, next.....
What continues to surprise me though is the fact that organisations such as IATA and likes continue to give awards to this wannabe aviation manager! Just last week he received an IATA award for passing the IOSA audit! He probably does not even know what IOSA stands for!
Let him start his low cost operation. He will fail miserably and he knows it. Too late....
Imposters are always discovered, sooner or later...
The person we are talking about is an arrogant frustrated person, who is just using the economical downturn as an excuse to offend everybody around him.
Basically, thanks to the recession and thanks to the virtually unlimited cash-flow at his disposition, he does not have to keep up the act anymore and he can be his old self again! Just like 8 years ago.
So there he goes, ranting and raving. He does it in house with all his employees. Pilots are being denied blankets and pillows, descent meals on board, HOTAC downgraded to 3 * all over the network. Cabin crew just lost their overtime pay without any notification.
He even boasted about firing a large amount of pilots just to set an example!
Arrogance without limits....
Nowadays he sees his stupid business model, which he copied from EK, being flushed down the drain. EU sectors are operating on 50% load factors. Premium classes are empty and Gulf sectors are being attacked by the LoCos of the region.
All this is not being helped by a totally retarded commercial department.
Cost what costs they are trying to maintain higher ticket prices than the competition, in a vain effort to yield of the competition.
The statement posted here just shows how frustrated and stupid he really is!
The A321 he is talking about is the laughing stock of the operation. It is an old airplane with 220 seats, sitting idle in Doha as a STBY airplane whenever needed. Every time it is being operated there is almost a revolt under the passengers due to the crap layout and poor AC performance.
For sure it is not a test case for a LOCO operation, it was just a clever idea from a smart a$$ beancounter that back fired heavily!
In a way, QR indeed is almost a LoCo operation. But with the top-heavy management structure of a major airline!
This man knows that, in case the crisis lasts much longer, and the competition is capable of adjusting properly, he and QR do not stand a chance! He had is chance, he blew it, next.....
What continues to surprise me though is the fact that organisations such as IATA and likes continue to give awards to this wannabe aviation manager! Just last week he received an IATA award for passing the IOSA audit! He probably does not even know what IOSA stands for!
Let him start his low cost operation. He will fail miserably and he knows it. Too late....
Imposters are always discovered, sooner or later...
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hai guys,
my opinion...if i am doing a business..i want my business to prosper and to make money.i want my business to bloom and cherish.if i am the pioneer in that particular country..of course i dont want any competition!!!.business is about money..and money is KING...
so based on this ..i think aab is right..cut all competition..kill competition before they are born and if they already exist...slaughter them.
this is business..its based on Chinese philosophy...sow kwu ( my pronunciation could be wrong).
the business module shouldnt effect any pilots or even any employee as eliminating enemies makes the empire stronger.as a ceo the statement is appropriate as the warning is good to the competitors..dont infringe our market...play only on your turf...
my opinion only....dont start bashing...only line pilot.
my opinion...if i am doing a business..i want my business to prosper and to make money.i want my business to bloom and cherish.if i am the pioneer in that particular country..of course i dont want any competition!!!.business is about money..and money is KING...
so based on this ..i think aab is right..cut all competition..kill competition before they are born and if they already exist...slaughter them.
this is business..its based on Chinese philosophy...sow kwu ( my pronunciation could be wrong).
the business module shouldnt effect any pilots or even any employee as eliminating enemies makes the empire stronger.as a ceo the statement is appropriate as the warning is good to the competitors..dont infringe our market...play only on your turf...
my opinion only....dont start bashing...only line pilot.
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24 A320s to be precisely.
That order has been known internally for a long time and deliveries start as early as October 2009. About 10 airplanes will replace the older A320s, 14 are a fleet expansion.
So not really a big deal if you ask me!
The chief at his best by the looks of that article! Some things will never change, certainly not a person's personality! Bravo to him anyway, he managed to hide his ugly self for about 4 years. I guess we will see and hear him in true form the next foreseeable future! BRACE BRACE BRACE
And to compare this man with the great Chinese strategical tacticians is really giving him TOO MUCH credit! Remember, he is just an accountant who was saved by the grace of the chairman. Nothing more, nothing less. Which is why I am always amazed how people i the aviation club in London or IATA (as mentioned above) give him so much honour and credit! That is ridiculous. The man does not even have a degree in management and in all honesty, if tomorrow a Sheikh comes to me with an unlimited mount of cash to open an airline, I probably will do a much better job!
That order has been known internally for a long time and deliveries start as early as October 2009. About 10 airplanes will replace the older A320s, 14 are a fleet expansion.
So not really a big deal if you ask me!
The chief at his best by the looks of that article! Some things will never change, certainly not a person's personality! Bravo to him anyway, he managed to hide his ugly self for about 4 years. I guess we will see and hear him in true form the next foreseeable future! BRACE BRACE BRACE
And to compare this man with the great Chinese strategical tacticians is really giving him TOO MUCH credit! Remember, he is just an accountant who was saved by the grace of the chairman. Nothing more, nothing less. Which is why I am always amazed how people i the aviation club in London or IATA (as mentioned above) give him so much honour and credit! That is ridiculous. The man does not even have a degree in management and in all honesty, if tomorrow a Sheikh comes to me with an unlimited mount of cash to open an airline, I probably will do a much better job!
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From Flight International:
PARIS AIR SHOW: Qatar Airways set to announce major A320 deal today
By Max Kingsley-Jones
Qatar Airways is expected to confirm a major order today at the Paris air show for Airbus A320 family aircraft.
The order, which is likely to comprise 20 A320s and four A321s, is expected to be announced by the airline's chief executive Akbar Al Baker during a press conference at Le Bourget today. It would have a value at list prices of around $1.8 billion.
According to industry sources, while the A321s are a re-confirmation of a deal unveiled at last year's Farnborough air show, the A320s are incremental orders. The airline is believed to have obtained very early delivery slots, suggesting it might have taken over the slots of another customer who has deferred its order.
Qatar Airways is a major operator of the A320 family with over 20 International Aero Engines V2500-powered aircraft in service, and is likely to retain IAE for the new batch of aircraft.
By Max Kingsley-Jones
Qatar Airways is expected to confirm a major order today at the Paris air show for Airbus A320 family aircraft.
The order, which is likely to comprise 20 A320s and four A321s, is expected to be announced by the airline's chief executive Akbar Al Baker during a press conference at Le Bourget today. It would have a value at list prices of around $1.8 billion.
According to industry sources, while the A321s are a re-confirmation of a deal unveiled at last year's Farnborough air show, the A320s are incremental orders. The airline is believed to have obtained very early delivery slots, suggesting it might have taken over the slots of another customer who has deferred its order.
Qatar Airways is a major operator of the A320 family with over 20 International Aero Engines V2500-powered aircraft in service, and is likely to retain IAE for the new batch of aircraft.
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He's still at it today - having a go at Boeing -
Does Akbar really think that Boeing are concerned with his blather? It's all negotiating rhetoric towards getting some more discount on the deal. Conducted in magnificent souk style. I can just see Ol' Man Al Thani reaming Akbar before he set heading for Paris with an edict to eke as much as he could he could out of the deal.
Question - QR can barely support their existing fleet with current deliveries - do they actually need the 787's when they ordered them? Clearly in my book no. Maybe I'm missing the plot. My take on the jester's antics.
Qatar Airways chief executive Akbar Al Baker has warned Boeing that the airline could "walk away" from its 60-order 787 contract if the airframer does not quickly resolve major issues over delivery delays. "We at Qatar Airways have some serious issues with Boeing and if they do not play ball with us they will be in for a very 
very serious surprise if we do not settle the issues on the 787," says Al Baker.
The Doha-based carrier is a major Boeing customer, with an orderbook for over 92 aircraft including 32 777s and 60 787s. However, the Dreamliner programme delays have pushed back the airline's deliveries by around 18 months, with its first aircraft is not now due to arrive until late 2011. While he is unspecific about the nature of the issues, Al Baker says that Boeing is not dealing with them "in a professional manner, and Qatar Airways is very impatient with them". He adds that the airline has the right to "walk away" from the deal if "the delay is unreasonable. There are excusable delays in our contract and if these delays get escalated, every organisation gets the right to walk away." Speaking more generally about news that Boeing is evaluating various ways to respond to the A350-1000 - for which Qatar Airways holds 20 orders - Al Baker says he believes Boeing is "doing things too late. Unfortunately Boeing is not run by commercially minded people, it is being run by bean counters and lawyers and if they continue this way they will give an even bigger advantage to Airbus."
Meanwhile, the airline has formally launched its on-demand charter division Qatar Executive which will operate two Bombardier Challenger 605s and a single 300. "We are aiming the service at government officials, businessmen, bankers and politicians." In response to Al Baker’s comments, Boeing says it is “making good progress with the 787 programme and are very close to flying the aircraft for the first time. We are working closely with each of our customers and we are confident of the value this airplane will bring to airlines and passengers around the world.”
very serious surprise if we do not settle the issues on the 787," says Al Baker. The Doha-based carrier is a major Boeing customer, with an orderbook for over 92 aircraft including 32 777s and 60 787s. However, the Dreamliner programme delays have pushed back the airline's deliveries by around 18 months, with its first aircraft is not now due to arrive until late 2011. While he is unspecific about the nature of the issues, Al Baker says that Boeing is not dealing with them "in a professional manner, and Qatar Airways is very impatient with them". He adds that the airline has the right to "walk away" from the deal if "the delay is unreasonable. There are excusable delays in our contract and if these delays get escalated, every organisation gets the right to walk away." Speaking more generally about news that Boeing is evaluating various ways to respond to the A350-1000 - for which Qatar Airways holds 20 orders - Al Baker says he believes Boeing is "doing things too late. Unfortunately Boeing is not run by commercially minded people, it is being run by bean counters and lawyers and if they continue this way they will give an even bigger advantage to Airbus."
Meanwhile, the airline has formally launched its on-demand charter division Qatar Executive which will operate two Bombardier Challenger 605s and a single 300. "We are aiming the service at government officials, businessmen, bankers and politicians." In response to Al Baker’s comments, Boeing says it is “making good progress with the 787 programme and are very close to flying the aircraft for the first time. We are working closely with each of our customers and we are confident of the value this airplane will bring to airlines and passengers around the world.”
Question - QR can barely support their existing fleet with current deliveries - do they actually need the 787's when they ordered them? Clearly in my book no. Maybe I'm missing the plot. My take on the jester's antics.
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" but adds that if its market is eroded by a regional low-cost carrier, "then Qatar Airways will join the fashion show"
Why would you even care, Akbar? You claim you've made 100 mil $ profit this year. You LIE.
Why would you even care, Akbar? You claim you've made 100 mil $ profit this year. You LIE.
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Be happy don't worry be happy
I'm always surprised to read comments on thread from people who doesn't seem to understand the economical situation the world is facing nowadays.
job cut, furlough, companies downsizing their business, employees ready to give their long life pension plan savings, renounce to their vacation just to keep their jobs.
on the otherhand we have some QR pilots screeming
about left over first class meals, pillows, blanket, orange juice,....
doesn't look too professional to me, can't you go over all this rubbish for ounce,adapt or accept a small cut, I use inflatable pillow I bought from BKK 10 $ a nice one fleeced, food just eat minimum on board till the room service or Dinner, Lunch with your crew mate.
But what matters is my salary been payed at the end of the month we should be happy that our company is ordering more airplanes necessary tools to face a fears competition that is out their, espacially with the comming uncertainty months or years, at least we can adapt and cope with the situation.
and last but not least we should thank or give credit to our skeeper to keep our jobs safe in this troubled time
Isn't it nice to be on the right side of the fence just for this time
Thks,
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I'm not management and no interest or what's so ever, just a line CPT and this is my genuine point of view.
job cut, furlough, companies downsizing their business, employees ready to give their long life pension plan savings, renounce to their vacation just to keep their jobs.
on the otherhand we have some QR pilots screeming
about left over first class meals, pillows, blanket, orange juice,....doesn't look too professional to me, can't you go over all this rubbish for ounce,adapt or accept a small cut, I use inflatable pillow I bought from BKK 10 $ a nice one fleeced, food just eat minimum on board till the room service or Dinner, Lunch with your crew mate.
But what matters is my salary been payed at the end of the month we should be happy that our company is ordering more airplanes necessary tools to face a fears competition that is out their, espacially with the comming uncertainty months or years, at least we can adapt and cope with the situation.
and last but not least we should thank or give credit to our skeeper to keep our jobs safe in this troubled time
Isn't it nice to be on the right side of the fence just for this time
Thks,
ps
I'm not management and no interest or what's so ever, just a line CPT and this is my genuine point of view.
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My views on his tirade against Boeing:
1. The customer is always right and deserves to speak out when a service provider defaults (majorly) on part of an agreement. We all do the same when our washing machine delivery is delayed or our car service is poor or when food delivered in a restaurant is not cooked properly..................etc, etc........Therefore, in this regard, AAB is entitled to "complain".
2. I do, however, disagree in the choice of a public news conference at the PAS to launch this tirade of complaint. I always feel it works better when CEO looks his opposite number in the eye over a mineral water in the boardroom or over lunch and politely expresses his anger or concern or complaint over shoddy or poor service. It has far MORE effect than a public humiliation attempt. Therefore, in this regard, he probably overstepped the mark somewhat.
Thirdly, the Almighty Boeing Corporation is not above the law or should not be considered overly superior in such a manner that they are immune from criticism.
1. The customer is always right and deserves to speak out when a service provider defaults (majorly) on part of an agreement. We all do the same when our washing machine delivery is delayed or our car service is poor or when food delivered in a restaurant is not cooked properly..................etc, etc........Therefore, in this regard, AAB is entitled to "complain".
2. I do, however, disagree in the choice of a public news conference at the PAS to launch this tirade of complaint. I always feel it works better when CEO looks his opposite number in the eye over a mineral water in the boardroom or over lunch and politely expresses his anger or concern or complaint over shoddy or poor service. It has far MORE effect than a public humiliation attempt. Therefore, in this regard, he probably overstepped the mark somewhat.
Thirdly, the Almighty Boeing Corporation is not above the law or should not be considered overly superior in such a manner that they are immune from criticism.
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Well "just line Captain",
you must be either new in this outfit or heavily aspiring that management position, because what you are saying makes absolutely no sense!
It is not about just "orange juice", Pillows and blankets. It is about a mentality of management towards pilots and cabin crew! The latest moves show disrespect in all means possible.
Not a word, not a memo, not an explanation. They just took these things away, just like they took the CCMs overtime pay away without a word, exactly as what they did with ours a year ago!
So Amigo, it has nothing to do about receiving pay checks, economical situation or whatsoever. Its about a management who claims to be immune for a crisis on one hand and kicks the employees in the nuts on the other hand!
I am curious to see your reaction next month, when most hotels will be downgraded to 3* suburb accomodation. Lets see how happy you still are after a month of spending your layovers there in between maximum night duties. Just share us your thoughts after the doctor claims you unfit because of the lethal doses of sodium you eat everyday when eating the crew meals.
And last but not least, lets hear you talking the moment they start touching that very salary you are talking about without prior notice...Lets see how optimistic you will be then!
Think before you talk mate, otherwise your mouth is no different than your @$$!
A300 man,
I agree with you in regards to the basics behind his message. 100%. Boeing is not immune for criticism, neither are QRs competitors.
But the way he addresses the world of aviation, the language he uses etc is just proof of the absolute megalomaniac this person is! His utter disrespect for anyone and everything around him, his arrogance,...This guy thinks he is on top of the world just because he can play with other people's money!
I think that is what 4HP was aiming at!
As a CEO of one of the leading airlines of the world you are supposed to know your world, have style and leadership and you should be able to get your point across without reverting to low life ranting and raving! I am afraid the devil has shown his true face for once and for all and by doing so, he might have lost the little credit he had left in aviation. Sure, as long as the crisis lasts people will talk with/to him. But as soon as nobody needs him anymore, he will be dumped like a piece of garbage. With nobody else to blame for it but himself!
Sad sad sad
m not management and no interest or what's so ever, just a line CPT and this is my genuine point of view.
you must be either new in this outfit or heavily aspiring that management position, because what you are saying makes absolutely no sense!
It is not about just "orange juice", Pillows and blankets. It is about a mentality of management towards pilots and cabin crew! The latest moves show disrespect in all means possible.
Not a word, not a memo, not an explanation. They just took these things away, just like they took the CCMs overtime pay away without a word, exactly as what they did with ours a year ago!
So Amigo, it has nothing to do about receiving pay checks, economical situation or whatsoever. Its about a management who claims to be immune for a crisis on one hand and kicks the employees in the nuts on the other hand!
I am curious to see your reaction next month, when most hotels will be downgraded to 3* suburb accomodation. Lets see how happy you still are after a month of spending your layovers there in between maximum night duties. Just share us your thoughts after the doctor claims you unfit because of the lethal doses of sodium you eat everyday when eating the crew meals.
And last but not least, lets hear you talking the moment they start touching that very salary you are talking about without prior notice...Lets see how optimistic you will be then!
Think before you talk mate, otherwise your mouth is no different than your @$$!
A300 man,
I agree with you in regards to the basics behind his message. 100%. Boeing is not immune for criticism, neither are QRs competitors.
But the way he addresses the world of aviation, the language he uses etc is just proof of the absolute megalomaniac this person is! His utter disrespect for anyone and everything around him, his arrogance,...This guy thinks he is on top of the world just because he can play with other people's money!
I think that is what 4HP was aiming at!
As a CEO of one of the leading airlines of the world you are supposed to know your world, have style and leadership and you should be able to get your point across without reverting to low life ranting and raving! I am afraid the devil has shown his true face for once and for all and by doing so, he might have lost the little credit he had left in aviation. Sure, as long as the crisis lasts people will talk with/to him. But as soon as nobody needs him anymore, he will be dumped like a piece of garbage. With nobody else to blame for it but himself!
Sad sad sad
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stop thinking with your @@@@S and use your head for once
if you're so deppressed just go home where probably the grass is greenerand enjoy the recession instead of bitching here all the time about crapp mentality and i don't know what else.
all your pointless remark and senario are just fiction in your poor mind
if you don't like just goooooooh but you need to have some guts Booool......s
lot of people just leave " I have a better opportunity, better salary , better conditions , orange juice tape in the cockpit.....name it" what's so ever, I respect their decisions
we had enough of children just crying about their lloly pop has been confiscated , because of this childish behavior that we have such a treatment from the upper management let me remind u if you want to be respected, u have to learn how you respect yourself first then put the bar high but that another subject to grasp.
Ps
just saw on tv today that BA is asking employees to work for free
what u gonna do if this happen at QR just wondering?
stop thinking with your @@@@S and use your head for once
if you're so deppressed just go home where probably the grass is greener
and enjoy the recession instead of bitching here all the time about crapp mentality and i don't know what else.all your pointless remark and senario are just fiction in your poor mind
if you don't like just goooooooh
but you need to have some guts Booool......slot of people just leave " I have a better opportunity, better salary , better conditions , orange juice tape in the cockpit.....name it" what's so ever, I respect their decisions
we had enough of children just crying about their lloly pop has been confiscated , because of this childish behavior that we have such a treatment from the upper management let me remind u if you want to be respected, u have to learn how you respect yourself first then put the bar high but that another subject to grasp.
Ps
just saw on tv today that BA is asking employees to work for free
what u gonna do if this happen at QR just wondering?
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THR MCT,
you obviously have some experience being thrown out from a job or not being paid your salary regularly. Now after receiving your paycheck every month you scream of happiness. I think receiving the money I worked for is normal. And I don't have to be grateful for that especially when I work for a company that has the ambition to be a global major player whose advertisements are on every major tv network.
And it is ridiculous
for such a company to make such SMALL, as you correctly observed, cuts like orange juice, blankets, pillows etc. The savings from these SMALL cuts are very very close to 0. On the contrary they might have a negative effect by demoralizing the flight deck crew.
The only purpose these cuts achieve is to humiliate the people who try hard to do their job professionally.
you obviously have some experience being thrown out from a job or not being paid your salary regularly. Now after receiving your paycheck every month you scream of happiness. I think receiving the money I worked for is normal. And I don't have to be grateful for that especially when I work for a company that has the ambition to be a global major player whose advertisements are on every major tv network.
And it is ridiculous
for such a company to make such SMALL, as you correctly observed, cuts like orange juice, blankets, pillows etc. The savings from these SMALL cuts are very very close to 0. On the contrary they might have a negative effect by demoralizing the flight deck crew. The only purpose these cuts achieve is to humiliate the people who try hard to do their job professionally.
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The Doha-based carrier is a major Boeing customer, with an orderbook for over 92 aircraft including 32 777s and 60 787s.
While he is unspecific about the nature of the issues, Al Baker says that Boeing is not dealing with them "in a professional manner, and Qatar Airways is very impatient with them". He adds that the airline has the right to "walk away" from the deal if "the delay is unreasonable. There are excusable delays in our contract and if these delays get escalated, every organisation gets the right to walk away."
Give him some credit. He just found a way to walk away from 92 White Elephants without losing face.
I wonder how the other cousins are going to tackle their excessive orders?