MPL Alpha Aviation UAE - CAUTION!
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'Has Sharjah CAA (sorry not sure what its name is) included the MPL in its CAR?'
that's the UAE GCAA...the MPL is currently being worked on by them to be implemented in the near future.
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that's the UAE GCAA...the MPL is currently being worked on by them to be implemented in the near future.
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Clark update
guys some things are developing over on the philippine islands you may want to check it out in the link provided by Airbusbatics. heard that some 10 cadets have been cleared by CAAP to do base training, and that the partner airline is now making preparations to do it before end April. this is pretty interesting news.
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I cannot believe I am reading this.... you people are insane.
40 sectors, that's 20 flights, even at 5 hours per flight, that's a whopping 100 hours on type, if you are lucky you might just have got rid of the safety pilot, let alone a line check. You think that can get you a Job??????????????????????? Really. good luck then.
Also the MPL is airline specific, you need to have a job. Are there any written guarantees you will have a job????? I very much doubt this.
I know you will all tell me you know better, well good luck, just trying to give a bit of advice from someone who has been there.
Good flying
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40 sectors, that's 20 flights, even at 5 hours per flight, that's a whopping 100 hours on type, if you are lucky you might just have got rid of the safety pilot, let alone a line check. You think that can get you a Job??????????????????????? Really. good luck then.
Also the MPL is airline specific, you need to have a job. Are there any written guarantees you will have a job????? I very much doubt this.
I know you will all tell me you know better, well good luck, just trying to give a bit of advice from someone who has been there.
Good flying
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'40 sectors, that's 20 flights, even at 5 hours per flight, that's a whopping 100 hours on type, if you are lucky you might just have got rid of the safety pilot, let alone a line check. You think that can get you a Job??????????????????????? Really. good luck then.'
....why the shock?? why the drama? Sorry but I really don't see any advice in your post. Did you ever hear about a govt. organization called NASA that sent 2 men to the moon, about 40 years ago!!??
...without any prior actual time in space...thats a 'whopping' 0 hours on type (read lunar module).
ok, maybe the above is an overkill...but the 40 sectors is highly do-able, as long as the trainees are motivated and the infrastructure is in place...by the way, they fly 40-45 sectors AFTER they get hired by the airline as a second officer. Furthermore, Air Arabia recognizes the MPL program and prefers to other syllabi. This reduction in line training is granted due to the quality of basic training these guys receive from day one. Its nothing to get worried about Cortina, we humans can pull off even higher functions than just flying an A320.
PEACE
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....why the shock?? why the drama? Sorry but I really don't see any advice in your post. Did you ever hear about a govt. organization called NASA that sent 2 men to the moon, about 40 years ago!!??
...without any prior actual time in space...thats a 'whopping' 0 hours on type (read lunar module).ok, maybe the above is an overkill...but the 40 sectors is highly do-able, as long as the trainees are motivated and the infrastructure is in place...by the way, they fly 40-45 sectors AFTER they get hired by the airline as a second officer. Furthermore, Air Arabia recognizes the MPL program and prefers to other syllabi. This reduction in line training is granted due to the quality of basic training these guys receive from day one. Its nothing to get worried about Cortina, we humans can pull off even higher functions than just flying an A320.
PEACE
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well..
alpha aviation UAE is a quiet good place though, i have been to there initial training facility and its quiet good until their new facility gets ready next year. What i really think is that if they keep on with the schedule they'll be alright. Now for UAE nationals at a successful graduation they are garunteed a job, for the expats after graduation they are garunteed an interview, and yes after these 40 sectors they will do other 40 - 45 sectors in the airline which is fair enough! 70 hours on a single engine, though having less actual flying hours at the end but the graduate will have the type rating + lots of knowledge which have been an exchange for the less hours for the multi rating or whatever..thats what they say. After the 70 hours flying the students will sit for nearly 6 months of simulators, FNPT2 and Full level D sim, it is a real good replacement for a normal CPL/IR then you have to fund sim and whatever.. they will have there own facility equipped with these simulators and they are on the way, and the facility is 80% built.. its good over here, the situation in cebu maybe different.. because of managerial issues maybe? but what i say.. they will be fine over here, and it is confirmed that alpha is 51% owned by air arabia here..
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AED 450,000 as tuition fees only! Doesn't include anything other than the course cost 
BTW..I think MPL is supposed to be less costly compared to the conventional fATPL course.. Obviously Alpha aviation is considering the value of the cadets waiting in sand pit!!!
BTW..I think MPL is supposed to be less costly compared to the conventional fATPL course.. Obviously Alpha aviation is considering the value of the cadets waiting in sand pit!!!
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About the MPL
HI Guys, I am scheduelled for the Screening at AAA in Sharjah, I do confirm what emiratesson said, about the expats part...I think that even though you haven't got a guaranteed job...the airline will accept & hire a large number of the expats as they are trained to Air Arabia's standards & have flew with them (while training), in general, I have changed my mind about DAE flight Academy in RAK (f ATPL) & will go for the MPL at Alpha Aviation...where I think that 12 + 40 sectors is a good experience (say about 120 hours minimum on average).
I was told from one of the captains/Instructors in the academy...the point of Air Arabia & Alpha Aviation Academy to open this program is to get a constant supply of QUALITY pilots & get paid for doing so...he also told me that they are providing such a program so that I can get a job at the end, they just don't want to guarantee you the job so that they don't get screwed or Sued !, bytheway...Air Arabia ordered 49 A320s that are going to start the delivery by mid 2010...imagine every 6 weeks a new aircraft arrives & an average of 8 Pilots are needed per aircraft to run it around the month
I was told from one of the captains/Instructors in the academy...the point of Air Arabia & Alpha Aviation Academy to open this program is to get a constant supply of QUALITY pilots & get paid for doing so...he also told me that they are providing such a program so that I can get a job at the end, they just don't want to guarantee you the job so that they don't get screwed or Sued !, bytheway...Air Arabia ordered 49 A320s that are going to start the delivery by mid 2010...imagine every 6 weeks a new aircraft arrives & an average of 8 Pilots are needed per aircraft to run it around the month
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Hi malirm, i hope you do well on your assessment today, sunday 12th, what you said is absoloutly right, i met you over there last week if you remember, you had a discussion with them, and its good that you've changed your mind, but about the cost, yes it is high to be honest, even themselves say its high..but as i said, if they stick to their schedules for the lessons AND flying, everything will be alright, and there is no chances for delays becasue the sims will be there soon as i heard.
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High MPL Cost
If i remember correctly in the last APATS 2008 the notion that MPL is a) a cost saver and b) a short cut have been blown away. As a couple of beta tests around the world (and some still in the planning/ budgetting phases) have shown (including the favorite whipping boy of MPL haters around the world, Clark Aviation) the MPL requirements actually could mean training time is comparable to the normal fATPL + Type Rating course, while the cost could actually be higher due to the cost of doing sim training (more hours compared to normal Type Rating) plus the TAGS on the actual aircraft. Time-wise, if any savings will be generated at all it will only amount to a couple of weeks/months, but definitely not years. In terms of money, it is actually going to cost more so Silver5 you are totally inaccurate in your assumption.
So it begs the question: Why would the airlines want to invest in an MPL rather than the conventional route? Because in theory, and I admit this is a potentially explosive idea in this forum, the MPL is supposed to produce First Officers who are better trained in cooperating in a Multi Crew environment managing the systems of a sophisticated aircraft but who is expected to assert to the Captain if something is going wrong. In other words, when MPL was first conceived, it was supposed to address Safety issues especially concerning TEM and MCC/ CRM. Admittedly i may be guilty of oversimplifying the Training issues concerned but my point is that if the MPL is turning out to be a workable alternative to the fATPL, then it can only be good for the industry first in terms of safety, then later on in terms of money and time.
So it begs the question: Why would the airlines want to invest in an MPL rather than the conventional route? Because in theory, and I admit this is a potentially explosive idea in this forum, the MPL is supposed to produce First Officers who are better trained in cooperating in a Multi Crew environment managing the systems of a sophisticated aircraft but who is expected to assert to the Captain if something is going wrong. In other words, when MPL was first conceived, it was supposed to address Safety issues especially concerning TEM and MCC/ CRM. Admittedly i may be guilty of oversimplifying the Training issues concerned but my point is that if the MPL is turning out to be a workable alternative to the fATPL, then it can only be good for the industry first in terms of safety, then later on in terms of money and time.
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"the MPL is supposed to produce First Officers who are better trained in cooperating in a Multi Crew environment managing the systems of a sophisticated aircraft but who is expected to assert to the Captain if something is going wrong. In other words, when MPL was first conceived, it was supposed to address Safety issues especially concerning TEM and MCC/ CRM. Admittedly i may be guilty of oversimplifying the Training issues concerned but my point is that if the MPL is turning out to be a workable alternative to the fATPL, then it can only be good for the industry first in terms of safety, then later on in terms of money and time"
thats what they concentrate on during training, the simulator sessions will be full of emergency procedures or whatever concerns TEM, MCC and CRM. In my opinion i say that the course is worth the cost, they will do what the have to do to teach..
"the MPL is supposed to produce First Officers who are better trained in cooperating in a Multi Crew environment managing the systems of a sophisticated aircraft but who is expected to assert to the Captain if something is going wrong. In other words, when MPL was first conceived, it was supposed to address Safety issues especially concerning TEM and MCC/ CRM. Admittedly i may be guilty of oversimplifying the Training issues concerned but my point is that if the MPL is turning out to be a workable alternative to the fATPL, then it can only be good for the industry first in terms of safety, then later on in terms of money and time"
thats what they concentrate on during training, the simulator sessions will be full of emergency procedures or whatever concerns TEM, MCC and CRM. In my opinion i say that the course is worth the cost, they will do what the have to do to teach..
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So if a person goes for A320 rating after CPL, won't he go through the same "emergency procedures", "MCC environment", etc? Or is it something special for the MPL cadets? I still don't understand the reason to pay such a high amount for a course that doesn't guarantee much. Anyhow, my best wishes to the cadets.
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I called to get some info regarding type rating and line training opportunities as I'm already fully licensed and experienced. They said that they were not offering anything else than MPL licenses. Since all companies are recruiting with TR and minimum of 500h on type and that old guys are always blaming people paying for their trainings I wonder how corporate guys like me can step-in and compete with cadets/MPLs...
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S.F.L.Y.. its worth a competition 
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I am joining the academy next month, and will go through the courses, until now the guys from the first batch are doing really well.. so lets see how it goes because i think it's good to have an MPL despite of the price...
...I am joining the academy next month, and will go through the courses, until now the guys from the first batch are doing really well.. so lets see how it goes because i think it's good to have an MPL despite of the price...
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@ OMDB
i think you need to compare the number of hours in a typical A320 TR program versus the equivalent in the MPL. the MPL supposedly has more hours, thus training is more thorough.
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With my full respect to all of MPL/Alpha Aviation Enthusiasts, you guys just want to take the risk anyway!
Now consider this:
MPL is an airline-specific training.
In this case it's Air Arabia needs, SOP,s and SEP,s (or at least supposed to be so!).
Some of you are telling that there is no guaranteed job that is formally offered to accepted cadets, but the job is there at the end with Air Arabia.
1. Can you give me just 1 good reason for Air Arabia not giving a job guarantee?
2. If Air Arabia wants MPL cadets, and Alpha Aviation is offering MPL training, and also Alpha Aviation is owned by Air Arabia, then why the hell should the accepted cadets pay for their training? Not even training agreement bond by which the airline will pay back the training money once the trainees are hired?!!!
It's like an airline is telling the its own pilots this "We want you to get the training on this or that. But hey, you are paying for it"! Non-sense!!!
MPL should not be self-sponsored..ever! That's the way it goes with Flybe MPL cadets in UK..that's the way it happened with Sterling Airlines MPL cadets at CAPA Denmark (although the graduated cadets were thrown in the sea having no place in the airline they have trained to work for!!) that's the way it went with Alteon-Boeing cadets from Chinese Airlines in Australia! Simply you should not pay extra money to get a seat in the cockpit. On the contrary, the airline should pay you!
So at these circumstances if I were you, I would go for Alpha Aviation and MPL training...but only if I have half million Derhams and don't know where to spend them. Even with such imaginary situation, the last thing I want to do is to give my money to the people who never reply an enquiry via email.. not after 3 weeks now! This is not a professional attitude at all.
Finally, you should be prepared to the worst scenario. What if you one day want to leave Air Arabia for good and shift to another airline for whatever reason. Who will be hiring you?!
It's not MPL world yet, is it?
Now consider this:
MPL is an airline-specific training.
In this case it's Air Arabia needs, SOP,s and SEP,s (or at least supposed to be so!).
Some of you are telling that there is no guaranteed job that is formally offered to accepted cadets, but the job is there at the end with Air Arabia.
1. Can you give me just 1 good reason for Air Arabia not giving a job guarantee?
2. If Air Arabia wants MPL cadets, and Alpha Aviation is offering MPL training, and also Alpha Aviation is owned by Air Arabia, then why the hell should the accepted cadets pay for their training? Not even training agreement bond by which the airline will pay back the training money once the trainees are hired?!!!
It's like an airline is telling the its own pilots this "We want you to get the training on this or that. But hey, you are paying for it"! Non-sense!!!
MPL should not be self-sponsored..ever! That's the way it goes with Flybe MPL cadets in UK..that's the way it happened with Sterling Airlines MPL cadets at CAPA Denmark (although the graduated cadets were thrown in the sea having no place in the airline they have trained to work for!!) that's the way it went with Alteon-Boeing cadets from Chinese Airlines in Australia! Simply you should not pay extra money to get a seat in the cockpit. On the contrary, the airline should pay you!
So at these circumstances if I were you, I would go for Alpha Aviation and MPL training...but only if I have half million Derhams and don't know where to spend them. Even with such imaginary situation, the last thing I want to do is to give my money to the people who never reply an enquiry via email.. not after 3 weeks now! This is not a professional attitude at all.
Finally, you should be prepared to the worst scenario. What if you one day want to leave Air Arabia for good and shift to another airline for whatever reason. Who will be hiring you?!
It's not MPL world yet, is it?
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Hi Silver,
Good post. I am not convinced with the MPL way either.
But one point! who gives a guarantee???? Do we get a guarantee going by the CPL/ATPL/IR +Type Rating + etc which costs the same as MPL.
I think there are no guarantees in aviation at all!
Good post. I am not convinced with the MPL way either.
But one point! who gives a guarantee???? Do we get a guarantee going by the CPL/ATPL/IR +Type Rating + etc which costs the same as MPL.
I think there are no guarantees in aviation at all!
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@ LomSeeWak
Yes, you are right. There is no job guarantee to fATPL cadets (unless with few FTO,s worldwide). But on the other hand, this is an issue with MPL.
Because cadets under MPL training will receive a tailored training to fit certain employer, they have been selected by that employer to fit the training they will deliver at first place. You can think of it like an airline company that is selecting some pilots from the pool to train them on a new type or send them for a bridge course. Talking about employers' point of view, there is no such a thing that says "MPL fits all". Unlike fATPL training which is almost standardized and well-defined for both FTO,s and employers.
I'm not against MPL, guys. I just don't think this is the right way to do it.
Cheers
Because cadets under MPL training will receive a tailored training to fit certain employer, they have been selected by that employer to fit the training they will deliver at first place. You can think of it like an airline company that is selecting some pilots from the pool to train them on a new type or send them for a bridge course. Talking about employers' point of view, there is no such a thing that says "MPL fits all". Unlike fATPL training which is almost standardized and well-defined for both FTO,s and employers.
I'm not against MPL, guys. I just don't think this is the right way to do it.
Cheers
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So what happens if Air Arabia doesn't consider the MPL cadets at the end? Where do the students stand at that point and what options do they have? They can apply to any airline seeking A320 pilots, no? I mean all that A320 rating and sector training shouldn't be a waste of time (and money) I think.