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IB- just curious when u are going to wake up and smell the coffee. AA is doing a horrendous job. forget the fact that commercial has screwed up on some occasions. just look at the fact u almost never get ANY requests and he has no control over any of his workers at all. the amount of illegal **** that goes on is plain shameful and he is responsible cause he is the BOSS. how about the fact that if u ever dare to ask him something his response is one of total indignant arrogant banter that ends with a great NO. IB u usually are pretty company but this is getting comical listening to u defend someone who is obviously in way over his head. Remember when our previous overlord was here?? we complained about him but in all honestly not half the corrupt stuff was going on and atleast he was nice and tried most of the time. anyways this will never change.......
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Marketing sells the product, Commercial "planning" decides what equipment goes where and when, and seem to change their mind more often than their knickers, I suppose they also have pressures to make the airline as efficient as possible, so maybe last minute changes are a necessity to them as well...it's easy to spread blame all around at any company, I'm just a bit loathe to do do this, as I haven't "walked a mile" in any of their shoes!!
Yah the rostering issues are frustrating, and as usual, we wind up on the recieving end of it all...if you have something that is illegal, then refuse it, I have, some of the day to day crew controllers try to pull stunts, and one must simply refuse, just as we do when we are not happy with a technical issue the engineers or MCC try to urge us to do...it's the same game at most airlines...they have their job, the final responsibility always rests with us doesn't it...
Yah the rostering issues are frustrating, and as usual, we wind up on the recieving end of it all...if you have something that is illegal, then refuse it, I have, some of the day to day crew controllers try to pull stunts, and one must simply refuse, just as we do when we are not happy with a technical issue the engineers or MCC try to urge us to do...it's the same game at most airlines...they have their job, the final responsibility always rests with us doesn't it...
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There are indeed issues with crew planning, as there are with every other dept.in the airline, at any airline, rosters are based on which fleet goes where, then that plan is changed by commercial halfway through the crew planning/roster building stage, then of course they have to start all over again dont they??
Bidding system....1) It doesnt fix everything....read the EK posts here
2) Our head of crew planning is/was a proponent of the
bidding system, budgeting was not...
Lay blame where blame is due, but make sure you have the whole picture...
Bidding system....1) It doesnt fix everything....read the EK posts here
2) Our head of crew planning is/was a proponent of the
bidding system, budgeting was not...
Lay blame where blame is due, but make sure you have the whole picture...
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Unfortunately, the life style does suffer due to roster changes, I am at loss to understand the disparity between lines as well...beyound my level of comprehension, what I have suggested in the past, is interdepartmental "CRM" if you will, meetings between staff and managers of all departments, so we all have a better understanding about what the others are up against...while it was well recieved, the logistics of such meetings is a bit much i would suspect, and there are some "take it or leave it" attitudes in some people's minds for sure...
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i think the great lack of equipment in the company is an issue for all the changes, with some of our A/C in bad shape, and nothing of the same type to replace it on that particular route.
i have operated a big bird with a narrow body load, simply no A/C available.
i have operated a big bird with a narrow body load, simply no A/C available.
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I do agree with Hunter, that equipment substitution is a big headache for all involved, the neglect has long caught up with them, and until that issue is sorted things will remain the same..
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The bidding system at EK is light years ahead of GF. The complaints on the forum are minor in comparison to what the guys at GF put up with.
There is no bidding system at GF because that would mean the favoritism would end--so there are a lot of people who do not want to see it. AA doesnt have control because they guys on teh floor below are beyond reproach. The last heads of crewing left for that reason. JM used to pull his hair out trying to stop them. They double their income or better doing favours.
Cost---minor to add the module to allow proper bidding.
There is no bidding system at GF because that would mean the favoritism would end--so there are a lot of people who do not want to see it. AA doesnt have control because they guys on teh floor below are beyond reproach. The last heads of crewing left for that reason. JM used to pull his hair out trying to stop them. They double their income or better doing favours.
Cost---minor to add the module to allow proper bidding.
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Gulf Air AIMS
Have a look at this:
This is from the AIMS company website. Does Gulf Air not have the modules already for bidding, trip-trades etc?
I had a chuckle at this article on the net:
Gulf Air installs AIMS crew-management system
This is from the AIMS company website. Does Gulf Air not have the modules already for bidding, trip-trades etc?
I had a chuckle at this article on the net:
Gulf Air installs AIMS crew-management system
..The automated system can also accommodate a range of user-definable crew preferences, thus improving fairness, crew morale and productivity, according to the airline...
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The bidding system at EK is light years ahead of GF.
GF on the other hand is a small airline trying to run a network, meant to be run by a larger airline, with too many types of equipment.
No system would work under that type of environment without too many disapointments.
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desert diner are u serious????? we have 3 types which 2 are CCQ and operated virtually as one type. and as far as size and network not sure what u mean. I have personally worked for companies that have charter flights and are smaller that have a wonderful bid system which was done very proficiently. i am beginning to realzie that at GF half the problem is people have never seen a real professional operation therefore they except and marginalize our failures as operationaly normal. we do not need a perfect system just a system that allows us to have some control over our lives. if u dont think this is possible please look at any company and realize how far we are behind the times guys
also.... looking at the aims module is a glaring example of what we dont have.
also.... looking at the aims module is a glaring example of what we dont have.
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Gulf Air to decide on plane orders by year end
Gulf Air to decide on plane orders by year end
Sun Oct 25, 2009
DOHA, Oct 25 (Reuters) - Bahrain's Gulf Air is in talks with Airbus and Boeing over its plane orders and expects to make a decision by year-end, the airline's chief executive said on Sunday.
The struggling airline, which is fully owned by Bahrain's sovereign wealth fund Mumtalakat, has 35 Airbus and 24 Boeing airplanes on order, but said in August it was reviewing its orders as the loss-making airline restructures.
"We are constantly in talks with the manufacturers to choose the plane and the number of planes that best suits Gulf Air," chief executive Samer Majali told reporters at an aviation conference in Doha.
When asked when the airline would make a decision, Majali said: "In the next few weeks, next few months ... but definitely towards the end of the year."
Majali did not say whether the review with Airbus and Boeing would lead to reduction in planes or a new timeframe for delivery.
The airline has seen three chief executives attempt to turn its loss-making operations around since 2002, cutting jobs and realigning its network as previous shareholders Abu Dhabi, Qatar and Oman gave up their stakes in the ailing carrier.
In 2007, the airline cut jobs and trimmed its network after reporting losses of more than $1 million a day.
It is also facing stiff competition from other Gulf Arab airlines, among the fastest growing in the world, with Dubai-based Emirates [EMAIR.UL], Qatar Airways and Abu Dhabi's Etihad Airways pouring billions of dollars into new aircraft orders as they looked to establish themselves as hubs between East and West.
Low-cost airlines including Air Arabia AIRA.DU and Jazeera Airways have also arrived on the scene.
Majali said from this October until April 2010 it would be phasing in 10 new Airbus A320s and removing five old Airbus from its fleet.
A union official at Gulf Air said on Oct 22 it is calling on members and employees of the carrier to start a labour action on Nov 5. to protest against pay rises for senior management amid planned lay-offs.
Any escalation in the conflict between management and unions could burden the restructuring process under the new executive Majali.
Unions have said Gulf Air plans to lay off 272 employees by the end of the year, with management saying it only planned to cut positions through natural attrition and fire employees for misconduct.
"We haven't done anything about restructuring yet," Majali said. "They had one demand related to working hours and said it wasn't the time. They actually had three demands. Once has been accepted, one under review and the third we said no, it's not time to reduce work hours and they decided to go to the press." (Writing by John Irish; Editing by Mike Nesbit)
Source: Reuters
Sun Oct 25, 2009
DOHA, Oct 25 (Reuters) - Bahrain's Gulf Air is in talks with Airbus and Boeing over its plane orders and expects to make a decision by year-end, the airline's chief executive said on Sunday.
The struggling airline, which is fully owned by Bahrain's sovereign wealth fund Mumtalakat, has 35 Airbus and 24 Boeing airplanes on order, but said in August it was reviewing its orders as the loss-making airline restructures.
"We are constantly in talks with the manufacturers to choose the plane and the number of planes that best suits Gulf Air," chief executive Samer Majali told reporters at an aviation conference in Doha.
When asked when the airline would make a decision, Majali said: "In the next few weeks, next few months ... but definitely towards the end of the year."
Majali did not say whether the review with Airbus and Boeing would lead to reduction in planes or a new timeframe for delivery.
The airline has seen three chief executives attempt to turn its loss-making operations around since 2002, cutting jobs and realigning its network as previous shareholders Abu Dhabi, Qatar and Oman gave up their stakes in the ailing carrier.
In 2007, the airline cut jobs and trimmed its network after reporting losses of more than $1 million a day.
It is also facing stiff competition from other Gulf Arab airlines, among the fastest growing in the world, with Dubai-based Emirates [EMAIR.UL], Qatar Airways and Abu Dhabi's Etihad Airways pouring billions of dollars into new aircraft orders as they looked to establish themselves as hubs between East and West.
Low-cost airlines including Air Arabia AIRA.DU and Jazeera Airways have also arrived on the scene.
Majali said from this October until April 2010 it would be phasing in 10 new Airbus A320s and removing five old Airbus from its fleet.
A union official at Gulf Air said on Oct 22 it is calling on members and employees of the carrier to start a labour action on Nov 5. to protest against pay rises for senior management amid planned lay-offs.
Any escalation in the conflict between management and unions could burden the restructuring process under the new executive Majali.
Unions have said Gulf Air plans to lay off 272 employees by the end of the year, with management saying it only planned to cut positions through natural attrition and fire employees for misconduct.
"We haven't done anything about restructuring yet," Majali said. "They had one demand related to working hours and said it wasn't the time. They actually had three demands. Once has been accepted, one under review and the third we said no, it's not time to reduce work hours and they decided to go to the press." (Writing by John Irish; Editing by Mike Nesbit)
Source: Reuters
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SKybeds, thats exactly what your little regional carrier needs. But it needs those 320's now. To bad you guys haven't figured out how to CCQ the 320 and 330. Second.. Your carrier is a small time and small minded outfit that doesn't want change because you could only improve or get better. The corrupted departments and the fact that Gulf Air is actually an employment agency rather than an Airline is and will be your downfall. BTW, the new CEO is just another in a loooong line puppets. 
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desert diner are u serious?????
i am beginning to realzie that at GF half the problem is people have never seen a real professional operation therefore they except and marginalize our failures as operationaly normal.
You could pretty much say that the professionalism disapeared with the advent of the Busses. And that had nothing to do with the equipment nor the crews.
I'm not sure if any of you have been there long enough to know what I mean.
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wapses:
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Twin Baghdad blasts kill scores - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
you two are absolute tossers. this thing ain't going anywhere soon. stay well entrenched up your anuses and pretend nothing is happening.
I recall there was a lot of fuss on here when GF decided to fly to Iraq. Planes would be blown out of the sky. Crews would be in danger.
All gone very quiet recently!
Maybe it's fairly safe after all to fly to Iraq?
All gone very quiet recently!
Maybe it's fairly safe after all to fly to Iraq?
Bang on waspes... Unfortunately there are sad individuals who have nothing better to do than blowing things out of proportion. Baghdad this and Baghdad that. So Far things have been going smooth and i have yet to witness a negative comment from crew who've operated there...
you two are absolute tossers. this thing ain't going anywhere soon. stay well entrenched up your anuses and pretend nothing is happening.
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meanwhile, disgruntled unionists are flexing their muscles because of the pilfering thieves that is most of gf upper management.
al bana and antoine and the rest who are there to make a buck at the expense of others...i think your number is coming up....thank god.
Gulf Air staff plan three minute protest over pay - Transportation - ArabianBusiness.com
al bana and antoine and the rest who are there to make a buck at the expense of others...i think your number is coming up....thank god.
Gulf Air staff plan three minute protest over pay - Transportation - ArabianBusiness.com
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oh the silence when some painful truths are told.
be silent, for when gf suffers more losses from mismanagement and deception, and you lose your jobs as a result, maybe then you will cry.
be silent, for when gf suffers more losses from mismanagement and deception, and you lose your jobs as a result, maybe then you will cry.