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not sure how MIKE turned this into a convo about 072? has nothing to do with this thread. my 2 cents is that GF safety in general has nothing to do with "culture" per say. It has to do with mismanagement in the past. And please dont tell me that it could only happen here cause we all know it happens everywhere. Also Meph i find it very interesting how WE ALL only seem to think of things from our own perspective and in general dont respect or consider some people are different and they to have validity. i guess that is why most pilots never stick together because the views always change depending on what they can get out of the situation.
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Hey Guys,
Was wondering if anybody could help me out, I'm a reporter in the region and was hoping to talk to some Gulf Air pilots about flying to Iraq and their reaction - that sort of thing. If anybody is willing to speak, or knows any pilots that would be open to an interview, please private message me.
Hope that's okay!
Was wondering if anybody could help me out, I'm a reporter in the region and was hoping to talk to some Gulf Air pilots about flying to Iraq and their reaction - that sort of thing. If anybody is willing to speak, or knows any pilots that would be open to an interview, please private message me.
Hope that's okay!
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I've clearly hit a nerve with some of you. I didn't plan on turning the thread into a 072 discussion board. Someone asked me to elaborate on a comment I made earlier which I did.
GulfAir CEO, I think your a little wide off the mark to suggest it was all down to the individual. The accident reports showed that GF's safety culture was a contributing factor to the chain of errors. Why do you think JH went about revamping the company's SMS? using BASIS, revamping AQP, CRM, LOFT?
Why was there a need for JH to introduce a non-reprisal policy on open reporting?
It's because the old safety culture stank and needed changing.
"The investigation showed that all the latent organisational and management conditions that had precipitated the GF 072 accident were present long before the accident" Section B-01-8 of the report
Right, can we go back to discussing the dangers of flying into a war zone?
GulfAir CEO, I think your a little wide off the mark to suggest it was all down to the individual. The accident reports showed that GF's safety culture was a contributing factor to the chain of errors. Why do you think JH went about revamping the company's SMS? using BASIS, revamping AQP, CRM, LOFT?
Why was there a need for JH to introduce a non-reprisal policy on open reporting?
It's because the old safety culture stank and needed changing.
"The investigation showed that all the latent organisational and management conditions that had precipitated the GF 072 accident were present long before the accident" Section B-01-8 of the report
Right, can we go back to discussing the dangers of flying into a war zone?
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No Mike I do not accept your googled out section B.01.08, You have clearly misinterpreted and confused it with the Culture A and blamed it on culture A. Olbie have sums it up nicely so I do not have to repeat the same point,but the only sad part is fact that still we got some individuals like you who are carrying hatred inside behind a fake smile.
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the only sad part is fact that still we got some individuals like you who are carrying hatred inside behind a fake smile
I used the letter 'A' because it is the first letter in the alphabet and I was going to make a comparison with Culture B, and Culture C etc.
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I didn't sign up for this ****, my LIFE is not worth risking for the company .
with or without personal life insurance, that is what it comes down to.
gf would be wise to take heed and give the option for volunteers if they persist on going which will be the case.
if they decide to threaten those who refuse, a mass walkout would ensue, me being the first.
obsidian
...and i think everyone should do them,if not they should be fired!!!
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hey guys i have did some investigation in Qatar airways and i got some interesting information which might help you. One of the captains from Qatar airways said that they fly over Iraq very close to Baghdad on every flight to the US.It is obvious that it is now safe to fly over Iraq.So there is nothing wrong in landing there.When gf was almost shot down over Iraq, all flights passing over iraq were suspended.ever since conditions in Iraq are getting stable ,it is now safe to fly to Iraq in my opinion.I don't think Iraq is a war zone anymore.The only problem is that there is a high crime rate as it was in Pakistan.
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tristarfivestar, it seems that all what is written here didnt click in your mind. its not overflying Iraq that is the problem, we do fly over Iraq. but it seems either you dont read the posts, or you dont understand English. if you are a pilot then you would know by now what are we talking regarding Iraq issue.
sorry guys, i read alot in PPRUNE, and i dont write alot. but this guy made me write something.
sorry guys, i read alot in PPRUNE, and i dont write alot. but this guy made me write something.
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It is obvious that it is now safe to fly over Iraq.So there is nothing wrong in landing there.
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well i do understand English.When Algiers was political unstable, air France used to fly to Algeria but with pilots volunteering to fly there. Since the DHL i have not heard of any incidents where a plane close to being shot down!hopefully, you do know that RJ flies there? i guess there are many precautions that they have taken.
. im done.If you dont agree with me, you shouldn't be rude!
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there were suicide bombers when dhl was shot down. there's still suicide bombers now.
troops were getting killed then, troops are getting killed now.
there was political unrest then, there's political unrest now.
there was lot of guns with the public then, there's a lot of guns with the public now.
there was a lot of rpgs then, there's a lot of rpgs now.
deaths then, deaths now.
inadequate security then, inadequate security now.
what may be missing now are soldiers who are pulling out bit by bit, allowing rebels, factions, gangs, opposition hardliners, taliban, al qaeda and many more groups far more freedom to speak with their weapons.
apart from that,
NOTHING HAS CHANGED!!!!
troops were getting killed then, troops are getting killed now.
there was political unrest then, there's political unrest now.
there was lot of guns with the public then, there's a lot of guns with the public now.
there was a lot of rpgs then, there's a lot of rpgs now.
deaths then, deaths now.
inadequate security then, inadequate security now.
what may be missing now are soldiers who are pulling out bit by bit, allowing rebels, factions, gangs, opposition hardliners, taliban, al qaeda and many more groups far more freedom to speak with their weapons.
apart from that,
NOTHING HAS CHANGED!!!!
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Hey guys/gals- PLEASE ignore tristar..uglyraed (and sequels)...his sister and any other screen-names it turns up with. It's the same person; I know this, you know this, we all know this. This topic needs a more level-headed discussion but that person is becoming more than an annoying distraction. Ignore it as you would any other insolent child in a public place and it may just go away.
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I guess we will just have to wait until tomorrow & see what the big boss has to say. I will not be happy to fly there unless there is extra insurance coverage provided by the company to make up for my own personal insurance being null & void. People please do not bring up the subject of danger pay since this would just show the management how little we value our lives & our family's well being just for the sake of a few dinars. Let's just see what they say. As for cabin crew it will be Bahrainis or volenteers only.
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