Gulf Air Developments
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From: Cochin VOCI , India
5) What 48 second officers program? Didn't QA get all of them? Who are they kidding?
Is Gulf Air recruiting non nationals as second officers at the moment or in the near future ?
Seems like their real short for pilots...
Is Gulf Air recruiting non nationals as second officers at the moment or in the near future ?
Seems like their real short for pilots...
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From: Australia
85 Hour Overtime
I don't get it.
1. Almost every pilot on average is working harder and have overtime lines, by the way, at an abysmal rate.
2. This is exacerbated by recent resignations.
Now they want overtime raised to 85 hours.
This begs the questions:
1.Is this moral?
2. Is this ethical? And,
3. Is this how hard work is being rewarded?
Finally, this raises the possibility that maybe someone stands to benefit by cutting just rewards on others hard work.
1. Almost every pilot on average is working harder and have overtime lines, by the way, at an abysmal rate.
This is approximately 66% of our basic hourly pay (monthly basic divided by 75hrs as per contract)
Now they want overtime raised to 85 hours.
This begs the questions:
1.Is this moral?
2. Is this ethical? And,
3. Is this how hard work is being rewarded?
Finally, this raises the possibility that maybe someone stands to benefit by cutting just rewards on others hard work.
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From: Asia
5) What 48 second officers program? Didn't QA get all of them? Who are they kidding?
No, QR will take 16 out of the 48. The rest are due to start with GF the typerating and line-training soon but very slow (rate of 4 per month) instead of the usual 8.
Is Gulf Air recruiting non nationals as second officers at the moment or in the near future ?
Nope, all candidates are Bahrainis.
No, QR will take 16 out of the 48. The rest are due to start with GF the typerating and line-training soon but very slow (rate of 4 per month) instead of the usual 8.
Is Gulf Air recruiting non nationals as second officers at the moment or in the near future ?
Nope, all candidates are Bahrainis.
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From: moon
GF
For me i do not really care if they want bahrainis or non bahrainis, the problem is they are not clear ,about the plans like the other airlines next door .Wing A they do not respect pilots if u talk then thats it u r over but in a way u do not realize it. what ever AA tells them is right and with the latest letter from ops. it is a unclear message ,so everyone will explain it in diff. way. such as capt./fo to 320/ DEC and FO . soon most of senior capt. will be 60. so what is there plan. fail pilots in cmd interview and all DEC. or what. we are not secured -they do not care about pilots (if u r not part of the gang- coffee shop or if u do not go with them to area where they stay during winter time in the tent weekends)
1- AA plans and apply it wing A always yes u r right, we need pilot ohhhhhps no we r ok, ahhhh no we have extra.( as we hear it in the building from others)
2-soon most of ERJ pilots will go under CMD interview, most of them will go for the 2nd time hope to see them with 4 bars they are good.
if i ask any pilots in GF, what is happening in GF they do not know.
my cmd assessment finished and waiting for my interview, and the rate of failure keeping me nervous . guys any idea.
1- AA plans and apply it wing A always yes u r right, we need pilot ohhhhhps no we r ok, ahhhh no we have extra.( as we hear it in the building from others)
2-soon most of ERJ pilots will go under CMD interview, most of them will go for the 2nd time hope to see them with 4 bars they are good.
if i ask any pilots in GF, what is happening in GF they do not know.
my cmd assessment finished and waiting for my interview, and the rate of failure keeping me nervous . guys any idea.
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From: South of North
Oddly enough--85 hours per month is what EK is beginning to target! Was told in a GS washup with management that EK believes it is leading the trend towards this figure. Wondering if there is some 'talk' between the various companies to line up with one another in this regard!
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From: Dans ma bulle
85 Hour Overtime
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I don't get it.
1. Almost every pilot on average is working harder and have overtime lines, by the way, at an abysmal rate.
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I don't get it.
1. Almost every pilot on average is working harder and have overtime lines, by the way, at an abysmal rate.
A cheap whore.
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From: Asia
hahahahaha so that's what it's gone down to ... cheap whores hahahahhaha well for the time being, i am starting to fell like one, maybe i should go the Wrangllers or Ramee or Diggers and go make some real money, plus who knows i might find myslef some nice girl who'll understand what I do and decide to sponsor my hobby of flying hahahahhaha!!!! Ah the glamourous life of an airline pilot!
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From: Asia
Whats with this ETS!!!!!!???????
I send the figures and they still email us about not getting their info. Plus our beloved "envelop return boy" is NEVER THERE!!!! That's a nice job!!!! Please sign me up for doing NOTHING AT ALLL and getting payed! And then they said we need to cut cost! Well, let's create an ETS Manager so that ALL the ETS is being PROPERLY filled!
I send the figures and they still email us about not getting their info. Plus our beloved "envelop return boy" is NEVER THERE!!!! That's a nice job!!!! Please sign me up for doing NOTHING AT ALLL and getting payed! And then they said we need to cut cost! Well, let's create an ETS Manager so that ALL the ETS is being PROPERLY filled!
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From: Australia
All the ETS information is there. It doesn't need any input from us.
Meanwhile, GF wants to give us pay cuts. Well, increasing overtime to 85 hours is effectively a pay cut.
Once again, is this how hard work is being rewarded?
Meanwhile, GF wants to give us pay cuts. Well, increasing overtime to 85 hours is effectively a pay cut.
Once again, is this how hard work is being rewarded?
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From: Asia
To this overtime issue, we must be like the tunisians, after 23 years of stealing from the people, someone got up and stood up to him, i guess this could be done here with us as well, however, i'm not sure how many people will be willing to sacrifice themselves and be the martyrs. it's hard to go on strike or decide not to work on your days off when you have a family to feed. what we need is for QA, EY, EK to hire more of the "experienced crew" and then they'll have no choice, either pay or close up and be the laughing stock of the GCC! Oh wait, we ARE the laughing stock all ready!
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From: neverland
lets no get ahead of ourselves here guys. i heard the whole 85 hours was scrapped because someone up there realized the damage it would cause. also if this does happen it is not hard tostand up!!! SIMPLE. do your job and thats it. as YO said so nicely dont be a cheap whore and go in on days off for less money.
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From: BAH
It's in the GDN so it MUST be true !!!
Gulf Air is flying into profitability
By Arthur Macdonald , Posted on » Monday, January 17, 2011
MANAMA: Gulf Air will break even within two years, according to chief executive officer Samer Majali.
Speaking on the sidelines of the airline's annual commercial conference at the Gulf Hotel, he predicted that the days of the airline losing $1 million a day were a thing of the past.
"This year we are moving from mission impossible to mission possible," he said in an exclusive interview with the GDN.
"We are on the right track to get back to profitability and we are feeling very positive," he told more than 300 delegates from across the airline's global operations.
"This year will be a real test but with a pragmatic budget I believe losses can be cut."
By Arthur Macdonald , Posted on » Monday, January 17, 2011
MANAMA: Gulf Air will break even within two years, according to chief executive officer Samer Majali.
Speaking on the sidelines of the airline's annual commercial conference at the Gulf Hotel, he predicted that the days of the airline losing $1 million a day were a thing of the past.
"This year we are moving from mission impossible to mission possible," he said in an exclusive interview with the GDN.
"We are on the right track to get back to profitability and we are feeling very positive," he told more than 300 delegates from across the airline's global operations.
"This year will be a real test but with a pragmatic budget I believe losses can be cut."
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From: Singapore
But they won't be profitable in the long term unless they eliminate fraud and corruption.
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From: 3rd Rock, #29B
B767 Drivers
Do have info on a program out of the sand pit needing competent B767/B757 and B737 classic drivers. Presently, their candidates have been less than impressive, they are asking for guys who can fly which has been a slight impediment. T&C's are reasonable or better, in comparison to the low standard we have grown to appreciate. Small program but growing.
pm if there are any FO's and Capts out there that may be interested in a commuting or local base program.
No, I an not an agent.
pm if there are any FO's and Capts out there that may be interested in a commuting or local base program.
No, I an not an agent.
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From: "como todo buen piloto... mujeriego y borracho"
Do have info on a program out of the sand pit needing competent B767/B757 and B737 classic drivers. . . . T&C's are reasonable or better, in comparison to the low standard we have grown to appreciate. Small program but growing.
pm if there are any FO's and Capts out there that may be interested in a commuting or local base program.
pm if there are any FO's and Capts out there that may be interested in a commuting or local base program.
Commercial
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From: tropopause
oh boy, emirates roadshow at the movenpick feb 2nd and 3rd, looks like they really want to pull the plug on poor old gf...with the terms they are offering you've got to be deaf, dumb or blind not to be tempted, see you guys by the pool
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From: USA
yes, indeed. looks like the boat is really sinking...
the problem is...it feels like a frog being boiled slowly in hot water. he doesn't feel it coz the heat is increasing gradually...
very much like GF...not feeling the pilot loss coz it's happening gradually, unlike how it did in 2007 when they lost 200 pilots in 2 weeks!
the problem is...it feels like a frog being boiled slowly in hot water. he doesn't feel it coz the heat is increasing gradually...
very much like GF...not feeling the pilot loss coz it's happening gradually, unlike how it did in 2007 when they lost 200 pilots in 2 weeks!
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From: Far away from Idiots
That truly is "The Nail in the coffin". Fortnight ago, EK came to Bahrain and signed up a lot of our cabin crew. Now its pilots. wow. That's surely a big blow to the guys upstairs in the Pink Palace. Well done folks. 
. I, for one will be there. Got fed up feeling insecure.
. I, for one will be there. Got fed up feeling insecure.