Gulf Air Developments
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From: Asia
Tempo Dct Cptns
Anyone here with more on the dct cptns that we are supposed to have? Hear they are from South A. Of course, this will not intervene in the current cptn upgrades! Just like last time when they hired the dct cptn for the 330-340, it was only for a short period of 5-7 years and this of course did not affect upgrades either. Guess they still have not learned their lesson!
Just want to say that this post was not to complain about the dct cptn, as we know how short we are on that level and 99% of those guys are great guys!, it's just a mere "wake up" call to speed up the process of upgrading.
Maybe i'm just a big dreamer...
Just want to say that this post was not to complain about the dct cptn, as we know how short we are on that level and 99% of those guys are great guys!, it's just a mere "wake up" call to speed up the process of upgrading.
Maybe i'm just a big dreamer...
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From: London
You certainly are. Keep snoozing. This is the company that got rid of the over 60's, some on the 340 with two year bonds on one year contracts, later reduced to six month contracts ! Then, finding themselves short, go the DEC route (cos it is the most obvious) and shafts the promotion line from within. Crisis Management my dear chap from a company that finds itself in the dreadful position it is in, because of such inept management, of which it is famous.
Enjoy your promotion dreams. Better still, go somewhere else where the management is more skillfull and less corrupt.
Enjoy your promotion dreams. Better still, go somewhere else where the management is more skillfull and less corrupt.
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From: North of 0
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Subsonic:
Great article
GF is now considering 3 types. I was under the impression an airline would do a study, identify routes and aircraft type that works then make a purchase and then introdice aircraft. I guess SM and GF managment have new ideas.
Buy aircraft, incurr hundreds of thousands of dollars of cost to the airline for a start up of new fleet. Totally mismanage pilots on that fleet, then and only then consider which aircradft are right for the company. Sounds to me like all these other airlines in the world need to take a course with GF or SM cause they must be missing something. I would love to see them now change from EMB to CRJ. Would solidify how we want to spend that 1 billion investment.
Great article
GF is now considering 3 types. I was under the impression an airline would do a study, identify routes and aircraft type that works then make a purchase and then introdice aircraft. I guess SM and GF managment have new ideas.Buy aircraft, incurr hundreds of thousands of dollars of cost to the airline for a start up of new fleet. Totally mismanage pilots on that fleet, then and only then consider which aircradft are right for the company. Sounds to me like all these other airlines in the world need to take a course with GF or SM cause they must be missing something. I would love to see them now change from EMB to CRJ. Would solidify how we want to spend that 1 billion investment.
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From: "como todo buen piloto... mujeriego y borracho"
The way I read the article, Gulf Air is simply sending signals to the aircraft manufacturers that they want them to sharpen their pencils to present their best T's & C's. This is not unusual in aircraft purchase competitions. These are intense and high-risk processes for both parties and it is prudent for GF to try to squeeze the best deal it can from the manufacturers.
DesertHawk, Gulf Air is not examining the CRJ but rather the Bombardier C-series, which IMHO may be a better fit for GF but, of course, everything depends on the bids that GF is able to get. This is the airplane which Qatar Airways has also placed an order for.
Aerospace > Products > Commercial Aircraft > CSeries
Who knows, given the A318s commercial failure, uh, I mean success, Airbus may be willing to practically give them away for nothing and then that may be the airplane we end up with.
I understand that everybody has their interests here. In any case, the final decision should be interesting.
DesertHawk, Gulf Air is not examining the CRJ but rather the Bombardier C-series, which IMHO may be a better fit for GF but, of course, everything depends on the bids that GF is able to get. This is the airplane which Qatar Airways has also placed an order for.
Aerospace > Products > Commercial Aircraft > CSeries
Who knows, given the A318s commercial failure, uh, I mean success, Airbus may be willing to practically give them away for nothing and then that may be the airplane we end up with.
I understand that everybody has their interests here. In any case, the final decision should be interesting.
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From: Bahrain
Yesterday 18:21DesertHawkSubsonic:
Great article
GF is now considering 3 types. I was under the impression an airline would do a study, identify routes and aircraft type that works then make a purchase and then introdice aircraft. I guess SM and GF managment have new ideas.
Buy aircraft, incurr hundreds of thousands of dollars of cost to the airline for a start up of new fleet. Totally mismanage pilots on that fleet, then and only then consider which aircradft are right for the company. Sounds to me like all these other airlines in the world need to take a course with GF or SM cause they must be missing something. I would love to see them now change from EMB to CRJ. Would solidify how we want to spend that 1 billion investment.
NICE ONE!
Great article
GF is now considering 3 types. I was under the impression an airline would do a study, identify routes and aircraft type that works then make a purchase and then introdice aircraft. I guess SM and GF managment have new ideas.Buy aircraft, incurr hundreds of thousands of dollars of cost to the airline for a start up of new fleet. Totally mismanage pilots on that fleet, then and only then consider which aircradft are right for the company. Sounds to me like all these other airlines in the world need to take a course with GF or SM cause they must be missing something. I would love to see them now change from EMB to CRJ. Would solidify how we want to spend that 1 billion investment.
NICE ONE!
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From: neverland
Panama: Please read my statement carefully. Point has nothing to do with which aircraft is superior. WE ALREADY have embraers not the time now to figure out if they are the best to have. EMB are good aircraft but to change now would be even more of a screw up!
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From: "como todo buen piloto... mujeriego y borracho"
Sorry, DesertHawk, if I misread your statement. 
I agree with your observation, in principle. However I am not privy to the arrangements made between Embraer and Gulf Air or the deals that may be made with Airbus or Bombardier that could potential trump the Embraer arrangement. That is the point that I am trying to make. I do agree that the constant reshuffling of the deck smells of disorganization to the outsider. I also agree that the EMB's are a good airplane for a regional mission.
I guess we will see soon enough (Inshallah).
I agree with your observation, in principle. However I am not privy to the arrangements made between Embraer and Gulf Air or the deals that may be made with Airbus or Bombardier that could potential trump the Embraer arrangement. That is the point that I am trying to make. I do agree that the constant reshuffling of the deck smells of disorganization to the outsider. I also agree that the EMB's are a good airplane for a regional mission.
I guess we will see soon enough (Inshallah).
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From: neverland
its not about the aircraft to me. The Bombardier and EMB are both good just have there pros and cons etc.....My point is when you make this many waves within a company, upset a lot of lives and make so many changes you have to have a solid gameplan that you stick to. Obviously no study was done on these EMB as the 170 would have never arrived in that case. At this point to change again would be disastrous to so man y people. Maybe SM does not care but there are again people leaving in droves as the planning and career progression are again under scrutiny. To flip flop to another type now put all the EMB pilots back on another course where they again make only basic salary for 6 months due to lack of planning. This would truly bring moral to an all time low. The company needs to turn around we all can agree on that but it has to be in partnership with the people and not on their backs!
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From: "como todo buen piloto... mujeriego y borracho"
Nor am I, when I see bulky home-made bundles that are a combination of bedsheets and nylon rope that have the owner's name and are labled "From Abu Dhabi to Dhaka."
Based on this, it would appear that one of the problems is an enforcement of prescribed dimensions of checked baggage. It reflects poor business practices, IMHO, when inefficient (from a business sense) subsidized airlines are putting more expensive widebody jets on these routes to accomodate the oversized bags of what often are low-yield passengers.
Nevertheless, "educating" the travelling public will be a challenge. But then again they managed to pull it off with paperless tickets and online bookings.
Based on this, it would appear that one of the problems is an enforcement of prescribed dimensions of checked baggage. It reflects poor business practices, IMHO, when inefficient (from a business sense) subsidized airlines are putting more expensive widebody jets on these routes to accomodate the oversized bags of what often are low-yield passengers.
Nevertheless, "educating" the travelling public will be a challenge. But then again they managed to pull it off with paperless tickets and online bookings.
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From: way down south
So according tho Mr SM it is our passengers fault/problem that the embraer is not working? Unfortunately in any service based industry, especially one as competetive as the gulf, you must give the customers what they want. Maybe if SM had not lived such a sheltered life & had any real world business savvy he would appreciate that very simple but important fact?
The failure of the embraer is compounded by the fact that it is,despite SM banning engineering from confirming & documenting, the aircraft spends far too much time AOG.
Already the introduction of it has cost the company over BD50 million in addition to the loss of passengers & crew.
The failure of the embraer is compounded by the fact that it is,despite SM banning engineering from confirming & documenting, the aircraft spends far too much time AOG.
Already the introduction of it has cost the company over BD50 million in addition to the loss of passengers & crew.
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From: Far away from Idiots
That figure is spot on. I heard it too myself. So SM now seems to be complaining about the pax nag and whinge. Does he realise that the pax have a choice and they can frequent other airlines. Pax have every right to "nag and Whinge" as he bluntly put it, but doesnt he seem to understand that they are paying the salaries of his staff. Does he realise what a damage he has caused to this company. Never has the morale of the staff been so low and the problem lies not only with him, but also those management hungry individuals beneath him, who have no balls to face him and tell him about the flaw in his system.
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From: Somewhere nice and warm
Hey behramjee, you can talk about apartments in Bahrain but not the changes in your department. What gives? Why so silent these days? You were very active when you first joined the forum?
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I was checking the AIMS today and I noticed that there's no option for Flight information anymore, so I cannot the flight schedule any other flight other than my own. Does anybody know is it permanent, or temporary? Do you know why it's done this way? So much for the transparency
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From: Bhutan
Mr habibi,
let me tell you in your language, if you cannot see the flight information, you cannot see who is doing which block, you only see your block so you don't complain. You sit in your home and pray to god that they will give you a flight you requested. When you have changes and they give you a new flight you cannot even see who took your old flight.
You cannot check and see anymore who's going to FRA and LHR on Fridays
understand azizi?
let me tell you in your language, if you cannot see the flight information, you cannot see who is doing which block, you only see your block so you don't complain. You sit in your home and pray to god that they will give you a flight you requested. When you have changes and they give you a new flight you cannot even see who took your old flight.
You cannot check and see anymore who's going to FRA and LHR on Fridays
understand azizi?
Last edited by Heleheleyani; 31st October 2010 at 11:51.
