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Old 2nd Feb 2011, 16:57
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Old 3rd Feb 2011, 02:27
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Mind if I ask you guys what the terms and conditions are for Gulf Air?
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Old 3rd Feb 2011, 05:26
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no comments regarding GF vs EK!
all the best!
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Old 3rd Feb 2011, 07:53
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Been in the region over 30 years !!

I can tell you Bahrain is the best by a million

UAE a dump

and i live there now - shame on me !!

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Old 3rd Feb 2011, 15:52
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Hi all,

It's been asked before to no avail, so I'll give it a go.

How are the T's and C's for 320 first officers? Take home pay, housing allowance, any info you could give would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 3rd Feb 2011, 15:55
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....I'll add

FO base 2100 BHD + 50 BHD per year in the company

from ppjn. But that's 3 years ago and it doesn't give details of housing allowance.
Again many thanks.
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Old 3rd Feb 2011, 16:06
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Thats the same numbers as 6 month ago when I left them. Housing was 550BD for single and 600BD for married, as far as I remember.
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Old 3rd Feb 2011, 16:12
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Thanks for that.
You left because....
  1. money?
  2. the company/roster etc?
  3. expat returning home?
  4. a.n. other?
I'm trying to weigh up my options here so all info is welcome.
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Old 3rd Feb 2011, 16:41
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A bunch of reasons together not a single one.

1. Living circumstances: Bahrain is an island and everything is artificial. After a few month you know everything. If you are happy to spend your off time in pups than its for you. I became bored of the place.

2. Company: They changed strategies 2 or 3 times the time I was with them from B777 via a lot of A330 to the EMB to much for me to count on that company. I was only 1.5 years with them.

3. Money: It is not that much more as I have now or as I had before. The difference is not worth the living circumstances nor to be tossed around from the company.

This are my personal reasons why I left. Nobody needs to agree nor do I discuss it. If somebody can cope with It, go for It.

But there are not only bad things. Training is good and flying with most Captains are a pleasure and I gained a lot of experience which I can use in my present job.

If you are unemployed go for it but give the other ME carriers also a look.
Lot of colleges changed from GF to there neighbours.
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Old 3rd Feb 2011, 16:47
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brilliant, thanks again.
Food for thought, but as you say yourself, it's up to the individual. I'll have a long hard think about it while doing a bit more research.

One final question, do you know about their education allowance for children?
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Old 3rd Feb 2011, 19:08
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All of those who are thinking of joining GF. Come for the interview, and see BAH yourself, but do not get too excited with the conditions of your stay during interview. Try to go out of the Movenpick and see the "life".
If you r single it might not be a perfect place to stay for a long time, u'll get bored. For those of u who r married, it is more or less ok, depends on your spouse
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Old 3rd Feb 2011, 19:45
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sorry don't know about education allowance, I am single.

As SandShovel said, don't be to impressed from the Moevenpick. Go to Juffair to the Al Khobar Hotel same street as Best Western and you will see what value you have to the company. That's the place they put me for the first 4 weeks. Or visit the Al Safir Hotel during a Saudi Weekend another experience.
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Old 3rd Feb 2011, 21:40
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Skindog. I found a website that showed pretty much what everybody has posted regarding pay and it also showed education allowance of 1500 for two kids. Hope that helps.

For everybody else if you could chose who would you pick out of?
Gulf Air
Royal Air Jordanian

I've looked into all three and am trying to figure out the best one to try to get on with.

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Old 4th Feb 2011, 04:11
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All right, well the answer is easy NONE! Joke, GFA off course!!!

This is directly from my pay check. It's for 56hrs of flying.
Basic : 2200BD (been here 2 years)
Communication allowance: 13BD
Housing: 650BD (married)
Transport: 40BD
Utilities: 48BD
Wife Allowance: 41.5BD
Block hrs (56) : 338BD
Duty time: 275BD
Unemployment: 22BD
Overtime: 0BD
TOTAL: 3615 BD x 2.65 = 9579 USD or 7239 Euros

If you ask me, it's a great place to work in terms of working environment. Training is really good. There are lots of good instructors here. If you stay out of the politics of things, then you'll have a pleasant and quiet life. If you're like all of us here on this forum then you might get some gray hair from time to time. The things that are not so pleasant:
- communication with its employees, (I can communicate way better with my grandmother!)
- lack of vision (they don't know what they want, even the blind know where they are going),
- failing 90% of the command upgrades (though lately some have miraculously passed! maybe the board of interview had a pleasant night before )
- some of the 3rd floor and 1st floor and the bureaucratic crap that goes on in the pink palace.

There you have it. Hope it helps you choose GFA over EK and EY lol lol lol lol!!!!! You'd be OUT OF YOUR MIND IF YOU DID!!!!!!!

ps. I apologies if I have offended anyone. Of course we do have a vision it's the 2030 vision. That would make me ancient and therefore tooo old to witness it!!!!!! Oh yeah and we do have the 787 who should be here by then ishaalah!!!
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Old 4th Feb 2011, 05:15
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Do you really consider Housing 650BD/ Utilities 48BD as part of your salary? Its not as if this is disposable income that you have an option to save.... How is the cost of living? I have recently found Dubai to be extremely expensive, is Bahrain going the same way?

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Old 4th Feb 2011, 07:06
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mutt, where are you right now? I'm asking because if you are in Europe or anywhere else, or if you work a NORMAL job, you will not get housing nor communication nor wife allowance nor anything else, your salary will be what ever they give you and you have to pay everything for yourself. Life in Bahrain is much cheaper than anywhere else in the Gulf. As well, yes the housing is yours so if you find a cheaper place you can save the extra!!!!! That's what i'm doing now and I have a pretty good size place with 2 bedrooms for less. That's just me, some people will pay the full 650 (550 if you're single) and pay extra to be in the "white" neighborhood, me i like being in the middle of all the shit. Also, depending on your culinary taste, you can spend a shit lot or nothing at all. If you have a wife or girlfriend who loves to shop and spend your money, she'll find EVERYTHING she needs here!
Therefore, if you just want to make it as per European standards, or North American Standards and not include any of the benefits you have here: schooling, housing, transport allowance, free laundry, wife allowance, kids allowance, blablabla, then your salary here would only be 2100+another 600 or so for flying and that would be a total of 2700BD x 2.65 = 7155US or 5400Euros. TAX FREEE!!!! try finding that in Europe!!!!! Hope this answers the question, and once again, i apologize if I have offended anyone!
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Old 4th Feb 2011, 07:22
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How does the Education allowance work and how much is it please? For example do you have to provide receipts from the school and then they give you the money or do they just give you a set allowance per child?
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Old 4th Feb 2011, 12:29
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where are you right now?
A little bit to the south of you, but usually I'm a little bit to your west side

or if you work a NORMAL job
A normal job is a job in my own country, I work as an EXPATRIATE, hence my surprise that you consider housing to be a financial benefit in your employment package, to me its a necessity for your employer, especially as your aren't permitted to purchase property (in some places.) I saw a number of colleagues who joined Emirates and took the housing allowance, over the years they have moved from 3 bedroom villas to apartments as the rents sky rocketed and their allowances didn't.

Judging by the construction developments that we see in Bahrain and the limited amount of land, I would envisage that anyone planning a career in GF will see housing costs escalate over the coming years. (Btw, some of the places to the east of the airport look amazing from the air ) That's why I wouldnt be too keen on basing my income on that expected Housing Allowance.

If we look at the 2100BD ($5565/Euro 4000 TAX FREE) without flying, I'm presuming that this is for the right seat of an A320. Is it that great? Especially considering that a beer in the Movenpick will cost you $8......

Ashcroft79, in this part of the world, it isn't only the money that you have to consider, but the complete package. I would hazard a guess that the same $5565 would go further in Amman than Riyadh and Bahrain. GFA are offering schooling and the right to bring your family, I dont think that NAS offer the same. Then there is the question of time off, NAS were offering 6 weeks on 2 off (I think), but now they appear to be offering 11 months on 1 month off....... trust me, 11 months is a long long long time in Saudi What about GFA? Can any of them be considered a commuting contract? What about upgrade time/policies? etc etc

There is no easy answer as there are pro's and con's to each of these companies and countries....but i would suggest that you do serious research before coming to this part of the world. It's not for everyone

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Old 4th Feb 2011, 14:06
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A LH at TG makes ~$100k tax free (I guess they consider airborne not taxable), and cost of living is..well a tad lower than in the GCC.

You need however, to speak thai and hold a thai passport.

There are many opportunities outside the gulf but once settled in it becomes pretty much a frog situation.

Throw a frog into boiling water and it jumps out. Throw it in cold water and heat up, it gets warm and cosy until the water is boiling and then it's to late.
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Old 4th Feb 2011, 14:45
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Thanks for the info. Yeah I'm considering the cost of living and am trying to figure out which place I should try for. I'm actually (if I get an offer from one of these places) going to move over there for a few years since the wifey is okay with it. Yeah she's okay with it (hell she lived in a refuge camp for a few years as a kid so surely it can't be worse than that for her).
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