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Iranair, could you clarify what you mean when you state "I have not seen any of the things I've been promised by this company".
What is it exactly that they have not come thru on?
I ask because I am trying to get the interview invitation to CTC and want to know if Fly Dubai is not respecting what was advertised on their job posting.
What is it exactly that they have not come thru on?
I ask because I am trying to get the interview invitation to CTC and want to know if Fly Dubai is not respecting what was advertised on their job posting.
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Sorry I was wrong then...
But now I have to disagree totally with you Iranair.
Or you don't know Ryanair or you have forgotten how it was ?
In Ryanair a first officer going for an upgrade has to pay 4500 Euros before starting his training.
Ryanair tells you where you training will take place and it is your problem to go there , find an accommodation and pay for it , the same for your flight training anywhere in Europe ( not taking into account where you live ) and then when finally you get on the left seat , you are paid 90 % of a full captain salary...
That's not the case here....
We get paid 4 hours sector pay when we go to the simulator , we get a free uniform even the shoes and cleaning is free for your uniform if you want to use the facility.
When you get personnel problem ( somebody sick , a death etc ... ) in your family at your home country you have no problem to get your duty removed and to go back home.
Do you know that recently a first officer in Ryanair committed suicide because Ryanair could not care at all about his personnel problems and did not allow him time to sort it out ( he was a father , and now is son is an orphan.... )
I could continue like this for ages , so please Iranair whoever you are don't talk about things that you don't know.
Comparing Ryanair with Flydubai is like comparing Hitler with the Dalai Lama....
If you hate that company so much , just go somewhere else but don't mislead the one who may be interested in joining Flydubai.
But now I have to disagree totally with you Iranair.
Or you don't know Ryanair or you have forgotten how it was ?
In Ryanair a first officer going for an upgrade has to pay 4500 Euros before starting his training.
Ryanair tells you where you training will take place and it is your problem to go there , find an accommodation and pay for it , the same for your flight training anywhere in Europe ( not taking into account where you live ) and then when finally you get on the left seat , you are paid 90 % of a full captain salary...
That's not the case here....
We get paid 4 hours sector pay when we go to the simulator , we get a free uniform even the shoes and cleaning is free for your uniform if you want to use the facility.
When you get personnel problem ( somebody sick , a death etc ... ) in your family at your home country you have no problem to get your duty removed and to go back home.
Do you know that recently a first officer in Ryanair committed suicide because Ryanair could not care at all about his personnel problems and did not allow him time to sort it out ( he was a father , and now is son is an orphan.... )
I could continue like this for ages , so please Iranair whoever you are don't talk about things that you don't know.
Comparing Ryanair with Flydubai is like comparing Hitler with the Dalai Lama....
If you hate that company so much , just go somewhere else but don't mislead the one who may be interested in joining Flydubai.
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Disagree
Theyre both the same, separated by about 5 years. FZ will be the same when its had as much experience of pi$$ing people off as RYR.
Whats going on in rostering ? Have they lost it ? And what, no vomit inducing email congratulating early release of capts rosters ?
Why the single days off and replacing standbys with AVBL ?
(AVBL = 24 hour on stby now it appears)
Not convinced AIMS has actually improved our lot that much.
Whats going on in rostering ? Have they lost it ? And what, no vomit inducing email congratulating early release of capts rosters ?
Why the single days off and replacing standbys with AVBL ?
(AVBL = 24 hour on stby now it appears)
Not convinced AIMS has actually improved our lot that much.
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WOW dubaigong talking against FZ with u is like saying anything bad about the bible in the state of alabama ...yes I was at RYR for a real long time , yes i'm familiar with all the problems, just like everyone else who started out in RYR i was shipped to a base in the middle of nowhere and i was expected to find my own ACC and way around the city without any help from the company ,, so i don't need you to teach or remind me of anything i experienced in RYR,
i was targeting the people behind the scenes both in RYR and FZ, i've had people calling me from the rostering in FZ on my off days and was sort of forced to work a particular day off or i had to face the consequences . i can also go on .
i agree with our colleague above in terms of FZ being 5years behind RYR.
u mention the poor chap who committed suicide in RYR and the cause of the whole problem was no other but John Dooley, he refused that person any sort of time off even though he was in the worst possible situation in his life. and guess what genius the same John Dooely is now coming to FZ. same goes for Gerry Conway who is only approachable when he needs something from you, other than that u he'll tell u to F off and not bother him .
And as far as your behavior goes.. mate u need to clean up ur act, saying ''Whoever you are '' well im just another Pilot who made a transition to FZ to get treated better . and i have been disappointed at times, and i'm also seeing the old RYR traits coming into play here at FZ .you are telling me to leave if i hate it so much? ok, pay off my bond and i will... mate ur manners need reconsidering coz frankly the way u speak to people from the safety of your room is appalling . Grow up mate .
i was targeting the people behind the scenes both in RYR and FZ, i've had people calling me from the rostering in FZ on my off days and was sort of forced to work a particular day off or i had to face the consequences . i can also go on .
i agree with our colleague above in terms of FZ being 5years behind RYR.
u mention the poor chap who committed suicide in RYR and the cause of the whole problem was no other but John Dooley, he refused that person any sort of time off even though he was in the worst possible situation in his life. and guess what genius the same John Dooely is now coming to FZ. same goes for Gerry Conway who is only approachable when he needs something from you, other than that u he'll tell u to F off and not bother him .
And as far as your behavior goes.. mate u need to clean up ur act, saying ''Whoever you are '' well im just another Pilot who made a transition to FZ to get treated better . and i have been disappointed at times, and i'm also seeing the old RYR traits coming into play here at FZ .you are telling me to leave if i hate it so much? ok, pay off my bond and i will... mate ur manners need reconsidering coz frankly the way u speak to people from the safety of your room is appalling . Grow up mate .
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and guess what genius the same John Dooely is now coming to FZ.
Mat Finish
never a shiny moment..
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I will grow up with your help , I guess...
I was in the chief pilot meeting a few days ago and just to show that not all the pilots in Flydubai agree with your comment I will tell you what have been said.
Two pilots were there and they have suggested to the chief pilot to set up "road shows" in Dublin and other European cities to be able to tell to the Ryanair pilots what Flydubai and Dubai really are as , acording to them , what was said on some website ( PPRUNE ) was misleading and if they had the opportunity to talk with them they are sure that they will be more than happy to join Flydubai...
So I respect your view BUT this is far from being the reality TODAY in Flydubai.
What it will be in 5 years , you don't know and neither do I...
Concerning the 2 ex-Ryanair persons joining Flydubai , this is going on for at least 2 months and as far I can see they are not here... So until they are part of the company and start to damage our actual conditions , this is just speculation.
I am also very sorry to hear that the bond is what is stopping you from leaving , I have never been stopped by a bond when my feeling about my company has been as bad as yours about Flydubai.
If your financial situation is so critical that you can not afford to pay back your bond to get away from hell , I am sad for you and will be more than happy to organized a fund raising to help you mate...
I was in the chief pilot meeting a few days ago and just to show that not all the pilots in Flydubai agree with your comment I will tell you what have been said.
Two pilots were there and they have suggested to the chief pilot to set up "road shows" in Dublin and other European cities to be able to tell to the Ryanair pilots what Flydubai and Dubai really are as , acording to them , what was said on some website ( PPRUNE ) was misleading and if they had the opportunity to talk with them they are sure that they will be more than happy to join Flydubai...
So I respect your view BUT this is far from being the reality TODAY in Flydubai.
What it will be in 5 years , you don't know and neither do I...
Concerning the 2 ex-Ryanair persons joining Flydubai , this is going on for at least 2 months and as far I can see they are not here... So until they are part of the company and start to damage our actual conditions , this is just speculation.
I am also very sorry to hear that the bond is what is stopping you from leaving , I have never been stopped by a bond when my feeling about my company has been as bad as yours about Flydubai.
If your financial situation is so critical that you can not afford to pay back your bond to get away from hell , I am sad for you and will be more than happy to organized a fund raising to help you mate...
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Dubaigong u clearly have issues which needs to be addressed. reason that no one had the guts to stand up and say anything is due to the fact that no Unions are allowed to cover these guys back side .
and no my financial situation is not in a spiral dive , i just don't get why i have to give a company money to leave , when i was type rated to begin with . i knew that from the start before joining but what i didnt know was the way people in the HR and crew control treat people in this company .
it's funny how u remind me of those kids back in primary school.. always snitching , always back bitting behind everyones back . wow i do feel sorry for you.
i'm sorry to say this but i hope you never make it to the left seat . and in the right company u never will .
i wont reply to anymore of ur stupid posts since u are so anal about FZ and have no moral understanding of what others are talking about . If i didn't know any better i'd say FZ pays you commission for every pilot you keep in this company !
and no my financial situation is not in a spiral dive , i just don't get why i have to give a company money to leave , when i was type rated to begin with . i knew that from the start before joining but what i didnt know was the way people in the HR and crew control treat people in this company .
it's funny how u remind me of those kids back in primary school.. always snitching , always back bitting behind everyones back . wow i do feel sorry for you.
i'm sorry to say this but i hope you never make it to the left seat . and in the right company u never will .
i wont reply to anymore of ur stupid posts since u are so anal about FZ and have no moral understanding of what others are talking about . If i didn't know any better i'd say FZ pays you commission for every pilot you keep in this company !
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Dubaigong,
Don't be so patronizing.
The place has low crew moral, that is reflected everyday on the flight deck. Standard whinging about conditions that aren't hard to fix.
There are heaps of great folks at flydubai and it could be a super job, as most thought when they joined. Southwest of the middle east springs to mind, hardly the case.
Are core issues addressed at pilot meetings or do attendees not want to speak up about the core issues that need to addressed due being singled out for doing so.
Take a chill pill and enjoy your job here, don't take it personally. If someone moved half way across the world with kids and family and FZ is not living up to their expectations they are within their right to express concern at the direction and to look for work elsewhere.
I would be great if factual information is posted to enable others to form an opinion. But then it's a rumor network.
Don't be so patronizing.
The place has low crew moral, that is reflected everyday on the flight deck. Standard whinging about conditions that aren't hard to fix.
There are heaps of great folks at flydubai and it could be a super job, as most thought when they joined. Southwest of the middle east springs to mind, hardly the case.
Are core issues addressed at pilot meetings or do attendees not want to speak up about the core issues that need to addressed due being singled out for doing so.
Take a chill pill and enjoy your job here, don't take it personally. If someone moved half way across the world with kids and family and FZ is not living up to their expectations they are within their right to express concern at the direction and to look for work elsewhere.
I would be great if factual information is posted to enable others to form an opinion. But then it's a rumor network.
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Of course they have the right to express their concerns and to look for work
elsewhere...I have never denied that !
Do they have the right to mislead the people looking for information to make up their mind ? I don't think so.
And I repeat it , saying that Flydubai is as bad as Ryanair is not true at all FOR THE TIME BEING
Do I accept that things are far from being perfect here YES
Do I agree with the fact that some promises have not been delivered YES
Do I agree that the rostering system with the standby and now the available days should be improved YES
Do I agree that there is a lack of true communication from a part of the management YES
But if you take into account that no union exist at all in this country and you have a factual look to our conditions and compare it to the one in Ryanair , you can not come to the conclusion that we are as bad as Ryanair.
elsewhere...I have never denied that !
Do they have the right to mislead the people looking for information to make up their mind ? I don't think so.
And I repeat it , saying that Flydubai is as bad as Ryanair is not true at all FOR THE TIME BEING
Do I accept that things are far from being perfect here YES
Do I agree with the fact that some promises have not been delivered YES
Do I agree that the rostering system with the standby and now the available days should be improved YES
Do I agree that there is a lack of true communication from a part of the management YES
But if you take into account that no union exist at all in this country and you have a factual look to our conditions and compare it to the one in Ryanair , you can not come to the conclusion that we are as bad as Ryanair.
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you are also very wrong my friend
No F/O has to shell out 4500Euro to begin a command training, you are however bonded for that amount for 12months after the upgrade to make sure you don't jump ship right away but no cash is ever asked for
the 90% thing of for Ryanair contract F/O's upgrading not Brookfield ones which you will find 99% of new upgrades are these days so its just the step up in pay on your current contract to captain pay (changes there soon though)
As for where you do the training, yes there are only certain base's for this, STN BGY and maybe HHN? bear in mind here that this is a huge company with 44+ bases now and the trainers have to be somewhere, they cant all be in your base so yes you will have to travel most likely, if they were all in one base say Dubai then yea no moving, look outside the sandpit there my friend, your argument is massively one sided and bias
you are also very wrong my friend
No F/O has to shell out 4500Euro to begin a command training, you are however bonded for that amount for 12months after the upgrade to make sure you don't jump ship right away but no cash is ever asked for
the 90% thing of for Ryanair contract F/O's upgrading not Brookfield ones which you will find 99% of new upgrades are these days so its just the step up in pay on your current contract to captain pay (changes there soon though)
As for where you do the training, yes there are only certain base's for this, STN BGY and maybe HHN? bear in mind here that this is a huge company with 44+ bases now and the trainers have to be somewhere, they cant all be in your base so yes you will have to travel most likely, if they were all in one base say Dubai then yea no moving, look outside the sandpit there my friend, your argument is massively one sided and bias
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CTC aug 30th
Anyone doing the screen on the 30th?
what HR questions do you get asked?
while in training the basic 17000 is paid is there anything else?
do you stay at a hotel or are you given the allowance to find a place ?
what HR questions do you get asked?
while in training the basic 17000 is paid is there anything else?
do you stay at a hotel or are you given the allowance to find a place ?
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Been here for 5 months. Not my first rodeo in the middle east. Best to show up do your duty collect a paycheck and enjoy your time off. So far has worked out for me. As for the two clowns from Ryan Air no need to worry until its time to worry.
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Just to even things up a little.........the vast majority of people I fly with seem to be very happy here (albeit with reservations about some of our destinations) but of course most of them can't be bothered posting on here........they're too busy enjoying life!
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Sorry, I apologise, I didn’t realise things were based on number of posts recorded against your name...... or names.
The fact of the matter is, multiple posts or not, the people I fly with don’t share your 'happy clappy' point of view. That my friend is a fact.
Lets wait and see what the next six months have to offer and then we can reconvene on this topic if you like?
The fact of the matter is, multiple posts or not, the people I fly with don’t share your 'happy clappy' point of view. That my friend is a fact.
Lets wait and see what the next six months have to offer and then we can reconvene on this topic if you like?
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Sky sod !
Mr Skysod... Ive been thinking.
You might be a captain, possibly old school, and recently upgraded??
Either way you MIGHT be flying with mainly new f/os ??
Recent recruits have very different expectations to those of two years ago.
That fact in itself is changing the dynamic, and face of fly dubai
Question ?
During the next two years will terms and conditions at fly dubai ...
1..Improve ?
2..deteriorate ?
3..Remain the same ?
(Question directed at all, except maybe D'gong who is clearly on the shisha)
You might be a captain, possibly old school, and recently upgraded??
Either way you MIGHT be flying with mainly new f/os ??
Recent recruits have very different expectations to those of two years ago.
That fact in itself is changing the dynamic, and face of fly dubai
Question ?
During the next two years will terms and conditions at fly dubai ...
1..Improve ?
2..deteriorate ?
3..Remain the same ?
(Question directed at all, except maybe D'gong who is clearly on the shisha)
Last edited by Guided accordingly; 28th Aug 2011 at 23:41. Reason: original post funny, politically incorrect, might force sensitive types to call lawyers!