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Flight deck positions at FlyDubai Master Thread - Merged

Old 29th Aug 2011, 15:30
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It will be a mixed bag. Some areas will improve, others will stay the same, and a few things will get worse.

The pay will not change more than 3% in a given year, and the gap between A and B will not go away until the last A scaler has left the company. Allowances for the overnights will be very little, if any, as I expect them to say that our housing and transportation allowance covers it already

Delays will grow, mainly from connecting passengers and not having the facilities to handle them. Terminal 2 is way behind schedule with regards to the grand expansion plan. Also just staffing the airline with enough crew will be problematic if the plan to rebond FOs once upgraded actually comes to fruition. Who will come to flydubai to sit as an FO for three years and then be forced to sign another bond for 3 more years?

However, the staff parties will continue to be excellent and who isn't impressed with the new crew food

good luck to us all, the next 3-6 months will be very telling of the companies intent for the future of flydubai
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Old 29th Aug 2011, 15:44
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Hi GA, their could be some truth in what you say.
However, I just like to post on here now and again if I think the comments are overly negative just to give (IMHO of course) a more balanced view of what life working for FD is really like.
As I have already said in previous posts, I'm happy to be here and from the numerous conversations with colleauges on the flight deck I know that many others (but by no means all) feel the same.
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Old 29th Aug 2011, 16:17
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Skysod,

Sorry, donít mean to pick on you..... itís not personal. However, I wonder just how much you actually fly. The feelings of these so called colleagues of yours are not in line with the mainstream pilots here at Flydubai. As such, your opinion is not really balancing things at all.

Most people who I fly with do not share your (or your colleagues) point of view. In reality the picture is a little bleaker Iím afraid, just read the posts on this site.

If I had another chance to make the choice between FD or Emirates..... FD wouldnít even come close.

I am happy for you, as you appear to be content at FZ, youíre part of an elite group.
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Old 30th Aug 2011, 12:20
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No worries TD, evryone's entitled to their own opimion on here!
Bye the way, did 76 hours in July, 75 in August.
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Old 2nd Sep 2011, 14:16
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Upgrade re-bonding?

Can anyone confirm this is true? How can they justify the cost of 3 sim sessions and line training that costs just 2000dhs extra for a trainer for a month! You still fly normal line flights and pay your own housing! I would rather pay to be trained than jump through hoops, this was certainly not the agreement when I joined!
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Old 2nd Sep 2011, 15:07
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Alaska 737,

It is true , it was not in the agreement when you have joined BUT they did not expect that a first officer upgraded to the captain position ( with no cost or bond ) would be such a gentlemen that he resigned around 3 months later...
It is not fair for the first officers following and looking for an upgrade but what can they do to avoid other one to leave after being upgraded ?
Also , if you were the owner of the company , what would be your reaction ?
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Old 2nd Sep 2011, 17:31
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Dubaigong

Your comments always make me laugh! If a guy wants to leave the company, whatís it to you? Good on him!

This guy played the game, got his command...... didnít want to stay, and has resigned. Get over it! More to follow, Iím sure.

This is purely business. When a company blocks movement to Emirates and Etihad, and is now about to bond new captains, itís beginning to smell like acts of desperation. Why not try and resolve the issues causing people to leave in the first place?

You always seem to take these thing personally, donít! Lifes too short

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Old 2nd Sep 2011, 22:41
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Dubaigong,
Many previous posts by you suggest that if one person is unhappy and contributes on this website with negative information then they should just resign, find a new job.....

Maybe the upgraded f/o took your advice.

If I was the owner or the management it probably wouldn't have happened in the first place. Small problems to fix = happy staff inc pilots, engineers, cabin crew and office staff.
Terms and conditions have changed and don't suit some people especially as the cost of living in Dubai increases. I don't think he'll be the only one.
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Old 3rd Sep 2011, 06:00
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Tothepoint,

Again you have your opinion and I respect it but I have mine and you also have to respect it...

I surely said that if people were not happy they should leave BUT I didn't say that they should do it in a way that they will make the life of those staying worse because of the way they leave...And I have never said that people contributing with negative comments about the company should leave !!!
This is YOUR interpretation. I have made negative comments and still do about the company but I try not to lie or give false information.

If this first officer was so unhappy to decide to leave don't tell me that he just realized it 3 months after his upgrade to the captain position...

And once again my view is that it is not because the management does not behave properly that we should act the same way...

Believe me or not , I am not happy with what is going on and I am also looking for another job BUT in the meantime I try to see if there is a way to change things and to improve the situation...

Don't forget also that if the conditions here does not meet your wishes you have to realize that for thousands of pilots coming from other countries than ours these conditions are great....
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Old 3rd Sep 2011, 06:10
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Tolerant Dubai,

Don't worry your comments also make me laugh... I would like to see how you would react if this was your company and that it was your money invested in it...

It's easy to say that he has played the game , didn't like it and just left... He was here for a specific goal has reached it and left without thinking of the others... It's another option...

Don't worry I don't take it personally BUT I am just acting like you , if you see me saying something you don't agree with you come right away with a comment about it...
I do exactly the same but with only one goal which is to balance the facts that only negative comments are made not the positive one...
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Old 3rd Sep 2011, 10:27
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Upgrade leaving.

Dubaigoing, how do you know he did not have personal reasons to leave? How can you draw the conclusion that he is an unprofessional person etc.......... I think it is unacceptable that all the other FO's upgrading should have to "pay" for him leaving...... He might have had reasons to leave that we don't know.

Firefighting management methods as they are using in FZ will never make for a good work place, fire PREVENTION should be the way to go. Like many people are saying. Fighting for a better work place, being not happy to be on 24 hr, stby (AVLB) etc does not mean that you should pack you bag and leave. Pilots working conditions over the last 10 years have deteriorated dramatically globally, and I am sorry to say, it is due to people like you, willing to accept things, without putting up a fight.
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Old 3rd Sep 2011, 14:55
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StuckinFZ,

Please tell me where I have said that this first officer was an unprofessional person ???
It seems to be a disease on this website to interpret what has been said by others...
About the personal reasons to leave that's usually the explanation given to the management by most of the pilots leaving to stay in good relationship ( in aviation we never know , it is a small world )
But when outside the company and in front of a drink that's not exactly what have been told by most of them and I was there... So maybe they lied in the pub...

Also before moaning about the available day and spreading again wrong information to everybody , do your homework.
The AVLB day is NOT a 24 hours standby ( read your part A section 7 it is not legal to be on standby for 24 hours ) , 48 hours before that day you will receive a notice from crew control changing that day for a duty or will remove and become a day off.
I have had it and I have confirmed with crew control the status of this available day.

Cheers mate
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Old 3rd Sep 2011, 16:27
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I believe that the recently upgraded f/o who resigned did so because he was on furlough with his former carrier and was recalled with it not being deferrable. In other words if you don't come back now you will loose your position.

Maybe he was in a difficult position having just been upgraded maybe not, I don't know.

I do stand to be corrected if this info (second hand) is not true however.

V3
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Old 3rd Sep 2011, 16:28
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And off he rants again......

Dubaigong,

"If you want to be treated as professional you should act as a professional...Ē

This is what you wrote about the recently resigned and recently upgraded Captain. It seems to me that you did indeed suggest he was unprofessional, and therefore, StuckinFZ was correct in his statement.

Nothing wrong in having a difference of opinion my friend, but your posts have nothing constructive to offer in return, and in addition, they are now becoming more of a rant than anything else.

Cheer up my friend
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Old 4th Sep 2011, 03:19
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We are more than 200 pilots now and since this thread started how many different people have posted here ?
So according to me all the negative comments does not reflect the view of the 200 + pilots flying in the company or at least they don't say it here...

About bringing something constructive... , don't tell me than my posts are worse than all the negative one !

I , at least try to see some of the positive side of the company to balance the negative view of the others... for me it is a little bit constructive...
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Old 5th Sep 2011, 18:12
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motivation specialist required...

FZ are still looking for a replacement Chief Pilot , Have you got your application in Gong?
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Old 5th Sep 2011, 20:14
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Dear Guided accordingly,

The answer is NO... you don't have to be worried...

But the people who think that changing the chief pilot will bring big changes in the company will most probably be very disappointed.

My guess
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Old 6th Sep 2011, 11:57
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VERY GOOD NEWS for all the first officers , they have finally decided NOT to bond the first officers for the command upgrade until further notice....

So you see that some positive things also happen here
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Old 6th Sep 2011, 13:16
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Restored my faith

Excellent news dubaigong. Not doing the bond has actually restored my trust in what is said, and that trust to me is an importatnt reason for me to stay.
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Old 6th Sep 2011, 13:22
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Can someone post a link that shows current T&Cs, pay etc.?

Is there a housing allowance or company accommodation like EK?

Thanks
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