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Old 15th Sep 2011, 13:10
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Saint-Exupery, I just had a look at the FD website again, and it seems that they've taken off how they 'break up' the 51000 AED. Sorry for assuming it was still on there. 51000AED is the assumed Captain salary based upon 80 hours flown. I cannot remember the break up of the 51000 - am sorry. All I can say is that the reason the basic is small is so that the 'UAE gratuity payment - end of service payment' isn't all that big. It's calculated upon the final basic salary. Sorry I can't help much more on that front. I'm sure someone else will chime in.

It does seem that recently things in Afghanistan are getting worse and worse by the day. What to say.
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Old 15th Sep 2011, 13:19
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basic: 23600 (not good enough)
transport: 2300 (not good enough)
housing: 14000 (enough)

Total: 39900 without flight pay. In the months with annual leaves is quite hard to save any $$$.

The flight pay is 150 per block hour. We do not fly 80 hours as promised.
You can count with 65 block what will give you 50.000 DHs monthly (at least 10% less than any other airline in the region).

FZ= hard work + low pay

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Old 15th Sep 2011, 18:07
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You are complaing about not enough block hours, then you complain you work too hard?
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Old 15th Sep 2011, 19:21
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Never done four to six short sectors giving you some five blockhours and maybe up to 12 dutyhours?
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Old 15th Sep 2011, 21:05
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Yes, I've done that, and I still do. It's part of the job, same as long, 5 hours+ sectors.

It can't be that many 6 sector days in FZ.
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Old 15th Sep 2011, 23:50
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From the flyDubai website:

Remuneration (projected monthly total)
Captains - approximately AED 51,800 per month
First Officers - approximately AED 38,700 per month
Do these projected monthly totals include the flight duty pay of 150 Dirhams per block hour? Assuming a 70 block hour month, that's another 10,500 Dirhams to add to the figures above.

Or is that already included?
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 11:47
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The figures quoted are including flying duty pay based on I think 80 hours per month. So that is your take home pay. Work more or less than that and then adjust accordingly. Captains 150/hour, F/O's 100/hour.
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 13:28
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This amount is assuming 80 hours already. If you fly 70 as you said the salary will be less........lets say 50300. This is a good figure to work with (65 to 75 hs month). There is no minimum pay, if you are sick or in an leave and do not fly any hours in the current month than your salary is 39900 only. We do not work many hours but we fly to very bad places and at least half of your flying time will be in the middle of the night. There is no extra pay for night flights.
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Old 17th Sep 2011, 21:52
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don't tell em your name pike.

indeed all excellent, providing you don't get shot down in the course of duty (management or RPG's.. )
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Old 19th Sep 2011, 17:41
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As was stated, the following are the pay totals for a "D" scale Captain (which is what any new DEC or upgrade will receive):

Basic: 23500AED
House Rent Allowance: 14000AED
Transport allowance: 2300AED
Flight pay: 150AED per block hour (as stated above, figure 70 hours a month)

It is important to remember that you will need your housing up front to pay the landlord, as Dubai works on a 6 month in advance rent set up ("two checks" for instance - it is sometimes possible to find more checks for payment, perhaps quarterly, but the rent is usually higher for such an arrangement). The company will forward you this amount up front up to half of your total allowance (84000AED for a D scale Captain) and withdraw the total housing allowance amount from your pay check every month until the housing "loan" is paid. You can do this every six months.

It does mean that your take home will not include this amount.

Education allowance is 35000AED for primary schooling and 55000AED for secondary. This sometimes is enough and sometimes isn't, depending on the school. Also, all benefits are only applicable for up to three children only.

There is no sick pay - you lose any pay for that particular trip you call in sick for. You do have a limited number of sick hours you may use, however.

When on leave, you get BASIC salary only - no flight pay. You of course continue to receive your housing and transport allowance, as well as education allowance. That means you must figure in 42 days without pay a year - or about a month and a half. You can NOT sell back your leave - it must be taken.

As was said above, end of service benefit is based on BASIC salary only, which is your current pay at the time of leaving. Another reason a lot of our pay comes from flight time as it reduces the cost to flydubai on someone leaving the company.

Finally, there are the bonds, required of both typed and non-typed pilots. Don't forget to factor these in as they will be there if you decide to leave before they expire.

These are all numbers, again, for D-scale Captains. There are four scales of pay for Captains and three for FOs and this time, which are not necessarily tied to seniority, but are more random. All new joiners will be on the D-scale for Captain and the C-scale for FO (the lowest for both seats) which only makes sense.

I hope that helps clear up some of the questions above. Feel free to ask any others for clarification.

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Old 19th Sep 2011, 23:58
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Pretty clear Randy!

Thanks for your post about the pay and pilot scales.What amount of tickets to go home for a family living in USA or in Southamerica? Let's say , we take 2 times 21 days vacation a year. Do you have Zed tickets, and emirates tickets?
Thanks
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Old 21st Sep 2011, 18:07
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staff travel ?

Unfortunately staff travel is not a priority.

No Zed fares, although, to be fair I hear this is being looked into, but don't expect a quick result.

Discounted fares available on FZ flights. Destinations and flight times not always suited to vacations. (nuff said!)

ID90 concession with Emirates, but, with a twist ! Lowest priority ID 90 tickets. (ie you and family bumped off before the cleaner!) Insane booking system that requires hr approval, multiple e mails and unnecessary driving around dubai. No access to load info so standbys very much a gamble. (It helps to have friend in Ek with access to booking sys)

Some good experiences had by single guy /girl travellers, but for groups/families, its not very practical. EK flights are heavily booked, and there are plenty of stories of guys getting stuck down route for days, then paying full price ( some with other airlines!) to get back for duty.

A stress free vacation it does not make !
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Congratulations with new, nice destinations

How those flights to Ukraine, No overnights??
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Old 22nd Sep 2011, 00:45
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Arrow New FLYDUBAI Chief Pilot

Hey does anyone know who the frontrunners for the new Flydubai Chief Pilot Post are?

I hear it is down to an over zealous Irish Man and a tall American. Hear they are both internal. Anyone any news?
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Old 22nd Sep 2011, 00:50
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Devil Vacation tickets

So, in the T&C don't you have once a year, a flight ticket to go home for every member of the family?
What about , bidding for a specific flight or a free day?
One final question.If you have the opportunity to join Qatar or FZ, considering ,quality of life,city,company management,etc etc,what would you choose?
Thanks.
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Old 24th Sep 2011, 18:24
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So guys any info fore flights to Ukraine, do you have overnights??
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Old 25th Sep 2011, 10:42
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Angry "Fatig**e”

Is it just me, or have we done away with AIMS and returned to manual rosters?

It appears that our rosters now have to reflect those of HR...... i.e. HR don’t get any more than 2 days off in a row, so why should pilots....

Anyone else wish to share their thoughts? Apart from Dubaigong!
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Old 25th Sep 2011, 22:01
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The Interview

flydubai CTC assessment

The computer test: Pilapt software-Aptitude Package

Pilot computer test software: pilot aptitude test, job application, pilot recruitment.

Modules
*Flight Director: (the cross-hairs kind) with joystick. Keep it centered pitch and bank for 90 sec., 3 drills. Your score will be shown at the end of each run. They look for improvement.

* Concentration/Color Grid: A grid is shown with shapes of different color appearing for a few seconds at a time. Multiple shapes appear at the same time across the grid. The top of the grid contains a bar with different colors for each row, the side of the grid has the shape outline. When a shape that appears matches both the color and outline of the row which it appears in, you have to mouse-click on the shape before it disappears. The side screen will show the number of correct hits and also the number of misses.

*Puppet: There is a figure of a guy shown standing in different positions. He is holding a square in one hand, and a circle in the other. There is audio that makes commands, for example “ Positive right circle”. This is asking you identify which figure, or figures are holding a circle in the right hand. Or “negative left square”, meaning which figure or figures are NOT holding a square in the left hand. There may be more than one or none of the figures that are correct. You have to mouse-click the correct number (0-3 at the bottom of the screen), of figures that display the correct answer.

*Flight through squares: You use the joystick to navigate through a stream of square boxes that require you to make small pitch and bank changes to keep the airplane (represented by a small cross), in the center of the boxes as you fly through them. Fairly simple. Your score should improve after each 60 second run, 3 runs total.

*Flight Director Plus: 3 modules.
1st run is the same as the first flight director joystick drill.
2nd run they add in a shape on the left with a number in the center. While flying the cross hairs, you have to listen for the audio which will tell you for example “red triangle 3”. This means look for the red triangle with a no. 3 in the center of it to appear on the left. Once you see it, you have to hit the red button and then the no.3 on the keypad to confirm. There are also yellow and green buttons for the different commands.
3rd run the give you the first two together PLUS the audio counts down a number sequence. You have hit the trigger when the audio sequence is wrong. For example the audio says ‘899, 894, 889”. This means that the sequence is counting down by 5. When you hear the sequence fall out of order, for example 879, 876. Now it just changed to counting down by three. You have to hit the trigger to confirm, and a new count will start. It’s the most difficult one, but they look for more hits than misses it seems. Just concentrate on the flying as much as you can. I think they want to see that you aviate safely no matter what the distraction.

The testing module is a cumulative score, so don’t worry at all if you do well on some modules and not so well on others. It’s meant to be challenging as it goes on. No one nails it all, and it’s not expected.

The group exercises are just like Emirates. They give you two while they watch and take notes. Just be a good participant, offer suggestions and solutions, but listen to all input and don’t shoot down anyone’s ideas.

After this you eat lunch and then they give you the green light to continue or you politely get shown the door.

The HR is one on one. Straight- forward TMAAT questions, a bit about why you want to work there, know a bit about the company, etc. Very friendly. Don’t be a brown- noser too much. Don’t seem like you’re begging for the job. Don’t go on about how badly you want it, etc. Just be polite, clear and concise with your answers, don’t be fidgety. Be confident, but not arrogant. You want to be seen as a professional that knows how to do his/her job, not a starry-eyed kid on Christmas. This is the majors, they expect that you are past that phase.

After this, they will again tell you if you’ve passed and will go on to the sim. If so, you will get a briefing package to go over. That’s the end of the day. Don’t stay up all night obsessing about the profile. It’s not expected that you master the 737-800 overnight. Go have dinner with the guys, have a drink and get some sleep.


The sim profile starts with a full briefing. They tell you what the want to see and ask you about your experience and type. You will be assessed as PF and then you be PM for the next guy. The profile is at Liverpool RWY 27. It is a 2 engine T/O, all raw data, do a full SID, vectors for a normal ILS, go missed, then a failure on the missed. Clean it up and you’re done more or less. A couple of guys got a hold entry in between, but nothing much different.

*Fly smooth and easy on the controls and trim. Don’t be constantly monkeying it.
*Maintain alt and airspeed. If you get off 100 or 200’, CORRECT. Don’t be paranoid, but make the corrections. They want to see that you are aware of what is going on.
* Brief what you are going to do. Set up the radios and the guidance panel during the T/O brief for the SID. When you brief the approach, ask for the autopilot, tell the PM your HDG, ALT, and AIRSPD you are maintaining, and X-fer the controls, with “you have the controls”.
*Configure with flaps 1 setting on base, next is flaps 5 as you roll final (you’ll be like 13-15 NM out). Gear down, flaps 15 at one and a half dots on the G/S, flaps 30 landing checklist at half a dot, then follow it down at 7-800 FPM.
*HIT THE TOGA BUTTON on the missed so you get the F/D. put in the rudder when they fail it and clean it up. It flies easy on one, use the rudder trim once you get a hold of it. Flaps and gear up on schedule….don’t panic or rush. If the PM forgets or gets flustered, REMIND HIM and call for what you want. Be in command! Make sure to have the PM declare the emergency with ATC, climb straight-ahead and STANDBY you advise them until you are ready for instructons.

BE CONFIDENT, USE CRM, AND DON’T BE A PANSY! THEY WANT TO SEE A CAPTAIN! If you’re a nervous wreck, keep making silly mistakes, and apologize for every wrong move you will not pass.

GOOD LUCK!
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Old 25th Sep 2011, 23:03
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AIMS = Artificial Intelligence Minus Sense !

Macca, I thought It was just me !

Past two months worst FZ rosters since before aims. Whats going On ?

Anyone else having :

Single days off.
Single days on between days off. (wtf?)
Available days

(BTW has anyone noticed from last crewing e mail that avbl can be changed with 30hrs notice, as opposed to 48hrs as stated in the FOPM? When and why did this change?)

I hear the delightful layovers start with a midnight depart DXB then 24 hrs in CGP before return. Nothing quite like a 24 hr rest period following a run of nights before an early rtn. (Clueless!)

Please be guided . . . get some mossie cream and look for another job
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Choose Life, Choose Emirates!

Absolutely agree!

This is terrible rostering at it’s best. I’m doing day flights followed by night flights , followed by day flights. One day off, maximum two.

Does it not say in part A that this type of rostering should be avoided? It seems it is now a target.

If it gets too bad bad, call in with the ‘F’ word and submit an ASR..... oh hang on, what happens to our ASRs....

Just what moral here at flydubai needed..... well done management.

Dear Santa, can we please have a new Chief Pilot soon?
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