New rostering rules at EK
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I have found that sometimes the company makes an error with the cost index on the flightplan, as sometimes the flight time might be longer than the block. I try my best to fix this by adding the fuel and and going faster. So when they make an error with my roster, and dont give the days off required, I also try and help out by dailing #2. 
If they didnt want you to take those sick days they would pay you for them at the end of the year.
Help them help us.
Don
If they didnt want you to take those sick days they would pay you for them at the end of the year. Help them help us.
Don
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* Cost indices
* Fuel decisions
* Early descents
* Flight Levels
* Discretion
* Sick days
* ASRs
* WORKING DAYS OFF!!!
All weapons in the arsenal (excuse the pun).
EK is at critical mass and we need a change at the top (above pay scale of TCAS and Ed) both in terms of management and attitude... that means TCTC and TCAAR.
We can cost the company far more than they can ever save by their ill-conceived, draconian measures implemented to mitigate their incredible incompetence. Sadly it is only going to get worse as they have created a situation that will only increase attrition rates and make people think more carefully about joining... people who may now heed the warnings given here about the way they will get treated once the spin of recruitment stops and EK reality sets in.
Why are they putting us so far offside when it is in all of our interests to be onside?
* Fuel decisions
* Early descents
* Flight Levels
* Discretion
* Sick days
* ASRs
* WORKING DAYS OFF!!!
All weapons in the arsenal (excuse the pun).
EK is at critical mass and we need a change at the top (above pay scale of TCAS and Ed) both in terms of management and attitude... that means TCTC and TCAAR.
We can cost the company far more than they can ever save by their ill-conceived, draconian measures implemented to mitigate their incredible incompetence. Sadly it is only going to get worse as they have created a situation that will only increase attrition rates and make people think more carefully about joining... people who may now heed the warnings given here about the way they will get treated once the spin of recruitment stops and EK reality sets in.
Why are they putting us so far offside when it is in all of our interests to be onside?
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Fuggin muppets. Was at the clinic the other day, Doc says that fatigue is way up and sickness very high as well. I suppose this latest intervention into our lives will really help (Not). A holes.
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Well just done another 35 day rsv and did sweet F A .Even rang them cause I got so bored of standby but hey no flights going.Now 2nd to bottom and got 3 rostered flights. So all this S.H.1.T about balanced days off is utter crap.The flyings being done so whats the problem.And as for safety ...please Ed spare us with that crap.
They have lost the plot and AAR just can't get his fan belts round the fact that he only gets 2 days off in a row.
Feel fatigued already!!! and the * button on my phone will get plenty of use....
They have lost the plot and AAR just can't get his fan belts round the fact that he only gets 2 days off in a row.
Feel fatigued already!!! and the * button on my phone will get plenty of use....
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LR3: Answer to your question is, it must be the same pilots who voted in favour of the reserve month ....... all go by the name of Harvey and have long ears.
As for the recruting, same here. I am quite disappointed that one of my best buddies just pulls the same stunt, allthough I fully understand. (The recruitement departement should be outsourced to Emirates Holidays, as they mostly provide annual leave with accomodation for non EK employees).
It's interesting to observe that it is not necessarily the last rostering scam that put newbees off. It is the now public discrepancy between what is beeing propagated from recruitement and what is delivered by the managers.
This will have a huge longterm impact because the worst you can do in hr-management, is deliberately lying. If T&Cs become a cynical tool to compensate for incompetence and arrogance (not to mention the r-word), the war is declared.
Being confronted with a strong nomenklatura, it leaves the individual just to protect himself from damage of the repression.
Some possibilites have already been mentioned.
As for the recruting, same here. I am quite disappointed that one of my best buddies just pulls the same stunt, allthough I fully understand. (The recruitement departement should be outsourced to Emirates Holidays, as they mostly provide annual leave with accomodation for non EK employees).
It's interesting to observe that it is not necessarily the last rostering scam that put newbees off. It is the now public discrepancy between what is beeing propagated from recruitement and what is delivered by the managers.
This will have a huge longterm impact because the worst you can do in hr-management, is deliberately lying. If T&Cs become a cynical tool to compensate for incompetence and arrogance (not to mention the r-word), the war is declared.
Being confronted with a strong nomenklatura, it leaves the individual just to protect himself from damage of the repression.
Some possibilites have already been mentioned.
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Wooah Mr Ed....what are you doing?
As a practising Seagull yourself, you must realise we don't need more stones to get us airborne?
As much as I agree with nearly all of the posts here, we Pilot's are our own worst enemies; from being employed on a personal contract (TCAS's buddies), to working days off cos' we can dump a flight as a favour, or just simply taking it up the proverbial without complaint, we agree to more sh!t becuase it serves us in the short term to do so. Job security, career and not rocking the boat means we'll succumb to whatever is thrown at us. "Roll over and tickle my tummy with your sh!tty boots please"
It's been happening for years and it won't change. And I'm truly sorry to say so
As a practising Seagull yourself, you must realise we don't need more stones to get us airborne?
As much as I agree with nearly all of the posts here, we Pilot's are our own worst enemies; from being employed on a personal contract (TCAS's buddies), to working days off cos' we can dump a flight as a favour, or just simply taking it up the proverbial without complaint, we agree to more sh!t becuase it serves us in the short term to do so. Job security, career and not rocking the boat means we'll succumb to whatever is thrown at us. "Roll over and tickle my tummy with your sh!tty boots please"
It's been happening for years and it won't change. And I'm truly sorry to say so
TC
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"Have you ever noticed how the bigger the lie the longer the 
explanation???"
I believe E.D. has been reading Joseph Goebbels' diaries lately. JG also used to tell big lies to get his messages through.
explanation???"I believe E.D. has been reading Joseph Goebbels' diaries lately. JG also used to tell big lies to get his messages through.
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checcker10,
You either have friends in high places or maybe you're a Boeing man.
'Bus buddies are working their a$$es off and being told by crewing they are short of crew cover
Sound familiar
You either have friends in high places or maybe you're a Boeing man.
'Bus buddies are working their a$$es off and being told by crewing they are short of crew cover
Sound familiar
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Ho ho ho... when the sh*t hits the fan....
It will be very interesting to see what happens with our rosters the coming months. I personally think that for guys with lower seniority this might not be not such a bad thing after all....maybe...maybe not... I d give it some time...
Lets be honest guys... when you signed your contract you knew what you were getting into. For those who are just waking up : welcome to the M-E....
I read in another post that EK is currently recruiting in Northern Africa.
Well I'm pretty sure they don't give a damn if you are unhappy and you want to resign. Plenty of guys around in that part of the world who would like to take over your job and get a HUUUGE payrise....
It will be very very interesting to see what they do with this years' profit share. More surprises on the way???
It will be very interesting to see what happens with our rosters the coming months. I personally think that for guys with lower seniority this might not be not such a bad thing after all....maybe...maybe not... I d give it some time...
Lets be honest guys... when you signed your contract you knew what you were getting into. For those who are just waking up : welcome to the M-E....
I read in another post that EK is currently recruiting in Northern Africa.
Well I'm pretty sure they don't give a damn if you are unhappy and you want to resign. Plenty of guys around in that part of the world who would like to take over your job and get a HUUUGE payrise....It will be very very interesting to see what they do with this years' profit share. More surprises on the way???
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How many days off does the top bid group average with the current roster system?
Also, are only the min days off (9?) awarded to the lower group or are some pilots awarded more (no less than the min but possibly more?)
Also, are only the min days off (9?) awarded to the lower group or are some pilots awarded more (no less than the min but possibly more?)
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The changes being implimented by management are not good for morale thats for sure but at the end of the day vote with your feet.
V Australia will be in DXB in the next week or so doing interviews.
Kingfisher Airlines are doing road shows www.flykingfisher.com/expatpilotroadshow/
offering the best compensation package in the industry and commuting options. Do your rearch and there are some good deals out there
V Australia will be in DXB in the next week or so doing interviews.
Kingfisher Airlines are doing road shows www.flykingfisher.com/expatpilotroadshow/
offering the best compensation package in the industry and commuting options. Do your rearch and there are some good deals out there
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Junior/Senior, no difference under the rotational bid system.
Top bid could get 18 days off, but THAT was because you were flying ULH flights to do the hours and NEEDED the days off to recover. Just like EVERY other long haul operator.
Next month, top bid will get 14 days max. Even doing those ridiculous IAH turns, sorry layovers. Kinda hard to differentiate. So, a guy hitting the hours on ULH flying (because he bid for them) will have less recovery time. But that's ok, as Ed said he had an obligation to the regulator to balance the load so we were safe and all that. Cutting days off while flying ULH really helps.
Now I get it, you wont stand a chance of getting a month of ULH in top bid. You might get one ULH but will need some really unproductive flying to make sure you don't get more than 14 days off. Like CGK 72 hours or regional back of the clock stuff to KWI or DOH...all in your top bid. The more productive you try to make your roster, the more you need unproductive flights to keep the regulator happy.
odds on how long it will take before there is a correction?
Top bid could get 18 days off, but THAT was because you were flying ULH flights to do the hours and NEEDED the days off to recover. Just like EVERY other long haul operator.
Next month, top bid will get 14 days max. Even doing those ridiculous IAH turns, sorry layovers. Kinda hard to differentiate. So, a guy hitting the hours on ULH flying (because he bid for them) will have less recovery time. But that's ok, as Ed said he had an obligation to the regulator to balance the load so we were safe and all that. Cutting days off while flying ULH really helps.
Now I get it, you wont stand a chance of getting a month of ULH in top bid. You might get one ULH but will need some really unproductive flying to make sure you don't get more than 14 days off. Like CGK 72 hours or regional back of the clock stuff to KWI or DOH...all in your top bid. The more productive you try to make your roster, the more you need unproductive flights to keep the regulator happy.
odds on how long it will take before there is a correction?
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I was curious to compare the roster of one of the 777 Capts in top bid for FEB, against my (bottom bid) roster. His...102 hours (of unwanted overtime). Block of 10 days off included in there somewhere. Mine, 71 hours, 8 days off, (albeit with a few days of vacation).
My point? What a load of crap claiming that it is to "balance the workload". Guys are sitting around on reserve doing sweet FA, while the top bid guys are flying their butts off, just to ensure that the top bid people don't get too many days off in a row. And of course, in this case, it costs the company a bucket full of productivity pay, just to ensure that our top bid Capt is completely screwed around.
Some of course would be happy with that sort of productivity pay, and that's up to them. But for those that don't want it, and don't bid for it, it's a complete farce.
My point? What a load of crap claiming that it is to "balance the workload". Guys are sitting around on reserve doing sweet FA, while the top bid guys are flying their butts off, just to ensure that the top bid people don't get too many days off in a row. And of course, in this case, it costs the company a bucket full of productivity pay, just to ensure that our top bid Capt is completely screwed around.
Some of course would be happy with that sort of productivity pay, and that's up to them. But for those that don't want it, and don't bid for it, it's a complete farce.