New rostering rules at EK
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From: MIDDLE EAST
Bird On
You really need to remove that chip pan from your shoulder mate. The days off fiasco has nothing to do with the trainers and you know it, so wind your neck in.
Send an email to Mr AAL voicing your thoughts. This is your source of discontent, not your fellow colleagues.
Harry
You really need to remove that chip pan from your shoulder mate. The days off fiasco has nothing to do with the trainers and you know it, so wind your neck in.
Send an email to Mr AAL voicing your thoughts. This is your source of discontent, not your fellow colleagues.
Harry
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From: Canada
Interesting:
I wonder if increasing productivity would help saving the 100M$?
I think we're up for a disapointing surprise, at pay review, maybe?
What about credits, maximum hours, overtime threshold??????
"We'll have to raise fares and strip costs to compensate," Tim Clark told Dow Jones in an interview. He did not elaborate which fares the airline might raise and by how much.
Clark said that fuel now accounts for 30 per cent of Emirates' costs, up from about 14 per cent in 2004. Clark also said the airline is considering cost savings of "at least $100 million in the coming financial year and higher ticket prices".
Clark said that fuel now accounts for 30 per cent of Emirates' costs, up from about 14 per cent in 2004. Clark also said the airline is considering cost savings of "at least $100 million in the coming financial year and higher ticket prices".
I think we're up for a disapointing surprise, at pay review, maybe?
What about credits, maximum hours, overtime threshold??????
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From: In the State of Perpetual Confusion
Well they need 500+ pilots this year and the current tally stands at 45 for nearly 2 1/2 months. Tim talking to the press and putting his head up his rectal cavity is not going to solve that, increased productivity or not !
The cutting has begun - run for your life!
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The rot set in for me, when was it? - three of four years ago now when all EK staff got a 5% pay rise. Except the pilots, who got their CONTRACTUAL 3% annual increment and a 2% pay rise.
And we all copped it sweet, encouraging them to tighten the screws further and further, which they've done, and continue to do.
Anyone who cared to could look back through my posts on this site and will have found me one of the company defenders up until then. With that one totally cynical slieght of hand, they lost me, and since then, by their actions, they've continued to lose me more and more.
Am I the only captain in the airline who feels really - and I mean REALLY - uncomfortable at the thought of taking my mandatory rest in the (far) aft torpedo tube with some of our latest recruits manning the fort a very long way away from where I am forced to go? EK has had some potentially distrastrous incidents in the past, and on every occasion to date, the company has been extremely lucky in having someone on the flight deck who's rescued the situation with flying skills over and above what the company seems to expect from us now with their utterly ridiculous "automation always" policy. In my opinion, it's just a matter of time and we'll see an EK tail on page 1 of the world's newspapers for all the wrong reasons.
And we all copped it sweet, encouraging them to tighten the screws further and further, which they've done, and continue to do.
Anyone who cared to could look back through my posts on this site and will have found me one of the company defenders up until then. With that one totally cynical slieght of hand, they lost me, and since then, by their actions, they've continued to lose me more and more.
Am I the only captain in the airline who feels really - and I mean REALLY - uncomfortable at the thought of taking my mandatory rest in the (far) aft torpedo tube with some of our latest recruits manning the fort a very long way away from where I am forced to go? EK has had some potentially distrastrous incidents in the past, and on every occasion to date, the company has been extremely lucky in having someone on the flight deck who's rescued the situation with flying skills over and above what the company seems to expect from us now with their utterly ridiculous "automation always" policy. In my opinion, it's just a matter of time and we'll see an EK tail on page 1 of the world's newspapers for all the wrong reasons.
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From: earth
Apparently, recruitment has been told that they "only" need to recruit a good 400 pilots instead of the odd 500 this year. Reason is the "new days off" rule. Any truth to this?
Anybody volunteering for pilot to pilot meet,......ha?
Rgds
Anybody volunteering for pilot to pilot meet,......ha?
Rgds
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From: usa
schedules
Can any FO tell me what kind of schedules you have over there? I have an interview next month and was just wanting to know about the trip selection. how many days on the road, how many in dxb, average flt hours per month, that sort of thing. just trying to make an informed decision if i make it through the interview. thanks.
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From: The Heavens
Rupefly, I cannot answer your question directly, but I will say this. You will not be able to truely make an informed decision using rosters as the rostering can and will change. As an example, if you joined in December expecting large blocks of days off in top months, you would now be very dissapointed. Changes will happen again, so whatever you discover, keep in mind there is very little certaintly of it remaining so....
FSM
FSM
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From: sandbox
I just pulled up the March rosters of 45 Captains who bid top bid month for March. (group 4) I started at the bottom of the bid group and worked up 45 numbers. (boredom is running rampant in Dubai)
4 got 10 days off in a row
3 got 9 days off in a row
4 got 8 days off in a row
4 got 7 days off in a row
Nearly everyone got 6 days in a row, which was supposed to be the limit under this new program.
I think that this too will go away when ED discovers it is unworkable. Especially if no one flys on days off.
Regards,
330 Man
4 got 10 days off in a row
3 got 9 days off in a row
4 got 8 days off in a row
4 got 7 days off in a row
Nearly everyone got 6 days in a row, which was supposed to be the limit under this new program.
I think that this too will go away when ED discovers it is unworkable. Especially if no one flys on days off.
Regards,
330 Man
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From: Europe
What about the april rosters guys?
Less happy to be honest this month... even if I moved one level up.... Don't know what happened.
Can I get a Bidding For Dummies at the Spinneys book store?
At least the rosters came out pretty early this month...
Less happy to be honest this month... even if I moved one level up.... Don't know what happened.
Can I get a Bidding For Dummies at the Spinneys book store?
At least the rosters came out pretty early this month...
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From: EARTH (WHY I DONT KNOW)
The rosters came out early because they were built manually bidding is over.
Heard a rumour that EK was going to offer a Captains salary of 20K usd a month in return for deletion of bid system , manual rosters only with requests for days off only on special occasions . 1 months leave instead of 6 weeks.
No more o/time but you may get rostered 90+ hours a month.
will end up doing 1000 hrs a year.
Go for it ...................
Heard a rumour that EK was going to offer a Captains salary of 20K usd a month in return for deletion of bid system , manual rosters only with requests for days off only on special occasions . 1 months leave instead of 6 weeks.
No more o/time but you may get rostered 90+ hours a month.
will end up doing 1000 hrs a year.
Go for it ...................
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From: i don't know
No irony this time:
On the latest weekly incident report there are 5 ASR's (out of 7 flights) concerning this inhumane IAH rostering!!!!!
Good job guys, it's coming in - CONTINUE.
The really sad and troubling part of this just shows the absolute disrespect of employees and disregard of safety of EK management.
HOW THE F@*K CAN YOU MISMANAGERS STILL INSIST ON A CYNIC SCIENTIFIC DATA COLLECTION, BEGINNING ONLY NEXT MONTH (!!!!!!!!) IF THE EVIDENCE OF YOUR DISREGARD OF SAFETY TO UP ONLY YOUR PROFIT IS BLATENTLY OBVIOUS!!!!!!
If there will be a incident of some seriousness, at least neither GCAA nor FAA can pretend not having known about this scam. They are informed and ACCEPT it, so they are just as responsible as EK.
They know that we know that they know.
On the latest weekly incident report there are 5 ASR's (out of 7 flights) concerning this inhumane IAH rostering!!!!!
Good job guys, it's coming in - CONTINUE.
The really sad and troubling part of this just shows the absolute disrespect of employees and disregard of safety of EK management.
HOW THE F@*K CAN YOU MISMANAGERS STILL INSIST ON A CYNIC SCIENTIFIC DATA COLLECTION, BEGINNING ONLY NEXT MONTH (!!!!!!!!) IF THE EVIDENCE OF YOUR DISREGARD OF SAFETY TO UP ONLY YOUR PROFIT IS BLATENTLY OBVIOUS!!!!!!
If there will be a incident of some seriousness, at least neither GCAA nor FAA can pretend not having known about this scam. They are informed and ACCEPT it, so they are just as responsible as EK.
They know that we know that they know.
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From: Ireland
4 New Rules
1) don t mention fatigue anytime...... you are always sick.
2) Press 2
3) you can hurt them in the only way they know......... money.
4) Always carry at least 3Ts extra if you can(everyone needs to do this)
2) Press 2
3) you can hurt them in the only way they know......... money.
4) Always carry at least 3Ts extra if you can(everyone needs to do this)
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From: Europe
IF they throw CRS overboard then I guarantee you the exit doors will be too small.
I personally don't believe our management is that stupid.
But have to agree that the manual screwing of our rosters is turning into a real Fawlty Towers joke. "MANUEL, keep your hand of the rosters please!!!!!!!"
I personally don't believe our management is that stupid.
But have to agree that the manual screwing of our rosters is turning into a real Fawlty Towers joke. "MANUEL, keep your hand of the rosters please!!!!!!!"