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Tayib, staff shortages at LHR as follows:
Due to 'acting' APM abolished old APM rules on leave/ sickness staff have taken the p$## they are not scared of her action as she is soft. She is wrong to think these people are her friends as they are laughing at her as they take more and more days off. But it goes both ways, the staff are not aware that they too are being turned over by 'acting' APM. They will soon be either let go or taken over to a handling agent.
Unlucky for those with high salaries as they will probably not be taken over so they will find an altenative, maybe in bahrain. These staff will refuse and walk away with nothing.
'acting' APM is stupid to act in this position as she will not be confirmed. I wonder what she will do when old APM returns?
Xena - mail me if you have further questions.
Due to 'acting' APM abolished old APM rules on leave/ sickness staff have taken the p$## they are not scared of her action as she is soft. She is wrong to think these people are her friends as they are laughing at her as they take more and more days off. But it goes both ways, the staff are not aware that they too are being turned over by 'acting' APM. They will soon be either let go or taken over to a handling agent.
Unlucky for those with high salaries as they will probably not be taken over so they will find an altenative, maybe in bahrain. These staff will refuse and walk away with nothing.
'acting' APM is stupid to act in this position as she will not be confirmed. I wonder what she will do when old APM returns?
Xena - mail me if you have further questions.
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Malik a`sahra-have just had a very interesting conversation with an ex GF employee based at LHR, and can confirm your posting, he has confirmed no leadership since ex GF APM was sacked, he tells me staff would welcome EX APM back with open arms, would seem grass is not greener, the only ones opposed are those who originally set him up.
Staff shortages due to recruitment ban which seems to have been in place for forever, regardless of the amount of staff that leave they dont want to replace-could be they are definatly going over to a handling agent-word has it Alitalia are in the running-Do they not know Alitalia are in diar straights at the moment, guess it doeant matter BN and his consultants are all about handling agents.
My advice to the EX APM continue to sue it will bare richer fruits, why come back loyalty is worthless, I am also told previous APM sacked, why put yourself through this torture.
Finally Xena if it is true and Ex APM has not finished-why would they be offering a position to you that is not available should they have even advertised his vacancy
-surely they cannot do this especially if the contract is UK local, would UK law allow this-does the EX APM know this-this may strenghten his case-..one thing I do miss about the UK-the strength of the law and unions .........
Xena-seems like a posting to nowhere are you really interested in a dead end job!!! you have certainly caused a stir in the pink palace though so much talk.......
Staff shortages due to recruitment ban which seems to have been in place for forever, regardless of the amount of staff that leave they dont want to replace-could be they are definatly going over to a handling agent-word has it Alitalia are in the running-Do they not know Alitalia are in diar straights at the moment, guess it doeant matter BN and his consultants are all about handling agents.
My advice to the EX APM continue to sue it will bare richer fruits, why come back loyalty is worthless, I am also told previous APM sacked, why put yourself through this torture.
Finally Xena if it is true and Ex APM has not finished-why would they be offering a position to you that is not available should they have even advertised his vacancy
-surely they cannot do this especially if the contract is UK local, would UK law allow this-does the EX APM know this-this may strenghten his case-..one thing I do miss about the UK-the strength of the law and unions ......... Xena-seems like a posting to nowhere are you really interested in a dead end job!!! you have certainly caused a stir in the pink palace though so much talk.......
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LHR is not the only station where there is trouble, FRA is suffering the same fate, Financial controller fired after 18 years service and this to protect the new X-Swiss country manager who has been caught red handed.
BN< if you think that protecting your x-colleagues to the detriment of those doing the hard work, think again, this will end up costing you more than you think.
BN< if you think that protecting your x-colleagues to the detriment of those doing the hard work, think again, this will end up costing you more than you think.
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How much longer do we have to suffer these fools who have been placed in positions that they are clearly not capable of doing, it is clear that all they are capable of is causing irreversible damage every minute they continue to `act` out their roles/fantasies, sooner or later we will be in so much`sh*t`it will be difficult to shake it off-lets not forget `sh*t `sticks and our reputation is already in tatters.
GF have entertained the false accusations in a bid to let staff know they care enough to listen in the hope it will empower staff, in return they have listened to lies and allegations that have had a devestating effect on peoples lives some true some false, in the mean time certain people are left to gloat in their ivory towers happy in the knowledge they are safe. Is this fair-I dont think so.....wise up BN you prove you are no better than the people you protect.
Does GF not deserve better????
GF have entertained the false accusations in a bid to let staff know they care enough to listen in the hope it will empower staff, in return they have listened to lies and allegations that have had a devestating effect on peoples lives some true some false, in the mean time certain people are left to gloat in their ivory towers happy in the knowledge they are safe. Is this fair-I dont think so.....wise up BN you prove you are no better than the people you protect.
Does GF not deserve better????
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Yes GF does deserve better but is there a will ?
My network tells me that Dose started to unravel a web of lies, deception and fraud.
If you go back to the first few weeks of AD, he made an interesting comment when asked about GF's profits from a previous year. AD's frank reply was GF never made a profit. The year in question was the year Hogan said GF was in the black. This was the year that Hogan sold off the family silver and cooked the books. To cook the books you can't do this on your own and need the support of others.
AD started to discover who these others were (of course many in high positions in Bahrain life). So the others put pressure on the board to reign in AD and hence AD leaves under some thing called " can't work the Bahrain way ".
At the end of the day, come November, GF will be Bahrain owned so as long as it feeds the Bahraini's, no one will care.
My network tells me that Dose started to unravel a web of lies, deception and fraud.
If you go back to the first few weeks of AD, he made an interesting comment when asked about GF's profits from a previous year. AD's frank reply was GF never made a profit. The year in question was the year Hogan said GF was in the black. This was the year that Hogan sold off the family silver and cooked the books. To cook the books you can't do this on your own and need the support of others.
AD started to discover who these others were (of course many in high positions in Bahrain life). So the others put pressure on the board to reign in AD and hence AD leaves under some thing called " can't work the Bahrain way ".
At the end of the day, come November, GF will be Bahrain owned so as long as it feeds the Bahraini's, no one will care.
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Brassbut - so your having problems too in FRA? thought your APM was on top of things there?
I hear daily hesh is here he's not, he needs to go and quite frankly so does A/APM LHR. Hesh and Hersh deserve each other.
You want to save GF? first start by getting out the rubbish starting from the bottom working your way up. The only way you will be able to do this is expose them. They hide behind other peoples ideas and knowledge. These kind of people only get by in life by skrewing each other, literally. At the end of the day I know I can sleep at night can they? im sure they will always have one eye open which they should as these things swing in round abouts - and it will happen right back to them.
Lets hope GF top dogs see sense before its too late...
I hear daily hesh is here he's not, he needs to go and quite frankly so does A/APM LHR. Hesh and Hersh deserve each other.
You want to save GF? first start by getting out the rubbish starting from the bottom working your way up. The only way you will be able to do this is expose them. They hide behind other peoples ideas and knowledge. These kind of people only get by in life by skrewing each other, literally. At the end of the day I know I can sleep at night can they? im sure they will always have one eye open which they should as these things swing in round abouts - and it will happen right back to them.
Lets hope GF top dogs see sense before its too late...
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Guys thanks for all the facts, it has opened my eyes but I am somewhat surprised that GF management are entertaining such ridiculous behaviour
It seems to me that things really need to shape up in London, I wonder what effect this is having on the staff let alone the passengers
Before any move is made on my behalf, need to know exactly the plans for LHR, in reference to GHA and Ex APM returning.
It seems to me that things really need to shape up in London, I wonder what effect this is having on the staff let alone the passengers
Before any move is made on my behalf, need to know exactly the plans for LHR, in reference to GHA and Ex APM returning.
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Welcome to my congregation
Xena I find your surprise to the fact the GF management are entertaining such ridiculous behaviour a little naive, living in the middle east I would have thought you would be accustomed to the mentality.....
welcome to the real world
Brassbut-do you have more information for us?
This thread has really opened my eyes
I really have been thinking GF life begins and ends in Bahrain and have just realised there is a big network out there just waiting to be uncovered.....
So much so I have been in contact with my good old friend who has just recently left the mess currently known as London Heathrow who was only too eager to tell me more.........
It has to be said I am no great supporter of that slime ball HRH HESH mainly due to the fact that he is responsible for so much yet remans untouchable, so anyone connected to him can only be bad news -his `lady friend` the current AAPM or`Black widow Spider` quote-unquote -is now supported by HRH himself and together they plan to rid Heathrow of all the supporters of her predersesor, in her wisdom she has allegedly suspended one of her key managers. To substantiate her allegations against this person she aims to get staff to write lies about her-I guess her theory is `ive done it before so i`ll do it again.`......
I act as a preacher these are words from one who apparantly knows I can only do what I do best and pass on the word in an attempt to rid this company of the bad eggs .........I have said it before and I say it again.....My advice to that suspended Manager is SUE the arse off GF maybe one day senior management will sit up and take notice and really make a change that will be positive for all the hardworking worker ants out there trying there damnest to keep GF afloat.......
Just remember there is no smoke without fire......
Look I really dont relish airing all our s**t in public but for goodness sake will some one please listen to us good folk .
End of sermon you may all go in peace ......
welcome to the real world Brassbut-do you have more information for us?
This thread has really opened my eyes
I really have been thinking GF life begins and ends in Bahrain and have just realised there is a big network out there just waiting to be uncovered.....So much so I have been in contact with my good old friend who has just recently left the mess currently known as London Heathrow who was only too eager to tell me more.........
It has to be said I am no great supporter of that slime ball HRH HESH mainly due to the fact that he is responsible for so much yet remans untouchable, so anyone connected to him can only be bad news -his `lady friend` the current AAPM or`Black widow Spider` quote-unquote -is now supported by HRH himself and together they plan to rid Heathrow of all the supporters of her predersesor, in her wisdom she has allegedly suspended one of her key managers. To substantiate her allegations against this person she aims to get staff to write lies about her-I guess her theory is `ive done it before so i`ll do it again.`......
I act as a preacher these are words from one who apparantly knows I can only do what I do best and pass on the word in an attempt to rid this company of the bad eggs .........I have said it before and I say it again.....My advice to that suspended Manager is SUE the arse off GF maybe one day senior management will sit up and take notice and really make a change that will be positive for all the hardworking worker ants out there trying there damnest to keep GF afloat.......
Just remember there is no smoke without fire......
Look I really dont relish airing all our s**t in public but for goodness sake will some one please listen to us good folk .
End of sermon you may all go in peace ......
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Capt. B JNR - Your contacts are truthful, I wonder if we know the same person as I too know this. 'Black Widow Spider' knows how to work the system making themselves feel high and mighty. This is crazy behaviour but hey - she has done it before so why no follow the same formula and do it again. Heres a thought, why not do it to her? surely they do have enough information on her now to do this.
But setting all this aside, as I say these things do swing in round abouts as we will shortly be waving goodbye to the Black Widow Spider and hello to a very familiar face, lets just say he was the face of GF LHR for 25 years! For all those at LHR you have been warned, those who backed him will rise and those who slated him will fall. Let the revenge begin.
At last there will be justice........
But setting all this aside, as I say these things do swing in round abouts as we will shortly be waving goodbye to the Black Widow Spider and hello to a very familiar face, lets just say he was the face of GF LHR for 25 years! For all those at LHR you have been warned, those who backed him will rise and those who slated him will fall. Let the revenge begin.
At last there will be justice........
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There is no point trying to justify or understand, it's straight and simple and if the Board and senior management don't see a threat in Hesh's presence in his position then they are plain stupid and confirms the fears we all had in regards to the future of this airline.
In the few months that he has been in his position he has shown exactly the flavour of things ot come.
They have no idea, and not does he, so back to personal agendas and whatever shortfalls that may bring is of no relevance whatsoever.
Gulf Air will sink and so will the managers that are running it to the ground.
More to come.....
In the few months that he has been in his position he has shown exactly the flavour of things ot come.
They have no idea, and not does he, so back to personal agendas and whatever shortfalls that may bring is of no relevance whatsoever.
Gulf Air will sink and so will the managers that are running it to the ground.
More to come.....
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Ok! the face of GF for 25 years? Well then thats precisely why someone else should take over!!
Its amazing how in this thread people seem to be picking and choosing the pieces that they want to while leaving key elements out. Praising the suspended and attacking everybody else and accusing them of adultery. Hmmm makes you wonder if a certain bitter someone is posting here to twist the story to his side? Hello
Truth is he was suspended for a reason, not false accusations. Reason being: Fraud. and the truth only began to unfold clearly after he made his exit and the shocks were revealed.
If he is so rightful and was unfairly treated then what explains that as he picked his belongings from the office he apologized to his staff for the way he treated them and his previous actions?
A position is vacant and a staff member is asked to step up and be a temporary A/APM emphasis on the A! as Xena would agree as assumingly she had been offered the position.
Now another question is if as claimed, the staff turned behind his back and reported him to the CEO and as result he was to leave, What does that tell you about him to start off with?
Its amazing how in this thread people seem to be picking and choosing the pieces that they want to while leaving key elements out. Praising the suspended and attacking everybody else and accusing them of adultery. Hmmm makes you wonder if a certain bitter someone is posting here to twist the story to his side? Hello
Truth is he was suspended for a reason, not false accusations. Reason being: Fraud. and the truth only began to unfold clearly after he made his exit and the shocks were revealed.
If he is so rightful and was unfairly treated then what explains that as he picked his belongings from the office he apologized to his staff for the way he treated them and his previous actions?
A position is vacant and a staff member is asked to step up and be a temporary A/APM emphasis on the A! as Xena would agree as assumingly she had been offered the position.
Now another question is if as claimed, the staff turned behind his back and reported him to the CEO and as result he was to leave, What does that tell you about him to start off with?
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This sounds like a kindergarden,
I have questions to ask.
If this fraud was going on for so long then how come it went undetected?
I am not trying to defent anyone, but surely the company has an audit system and a financial department, i just notice that the same people are still there and some of them are even promoted and this tells me that the fraud will go on.
On another hand, if there is fraud, then it is clear that Hesh has been recently involved, so why is he still there.
Let's see what happens...but don't try to fool anyone with a cleaning up act only to replace the people involved by others and not changing the systems, we've seen that only too often.
I have questions to ask.
If this fraud was going on for so long then how come it went undetected?
I am not trying to defent anyone, but surely the company has an audit system and a financial department, i just notice that the same people are still there and some of them are even promoted and this tells me that the fraud will go on.
On another hand, if there is fraud, then it is clear that Hesh has been recently involved, so why is he still there.
Let's see what happens...but don't try to fool anyone with a cleaning up act only to replace the people involved by others and not changing the systems, we've seen that only too often.
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It is a big company and with the ever changing mgt, u cant dedict every move over all the stations. Hopefully the rest will follow. Point is, it finally was put to an end and this is what you get: fans cheering and wanting him to be back for Revenge! 
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Just let me know, what grade Kindergarden did you complete?
Just let it rest will you, others steal, they are found out and others replace them to do just the same.
What is new, Gulf Air has become the shame of the indistry worldwide and until I see changes that are significant and operational whatever you say will remain blob.
Just let it rest will you, others steal, they are found out and others replace them to do just the same.
What is new, Gulf Air has become the shame of the indistry worldwide and until I see changes that are significant and operational whatever you say will remain blob.
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JLMK: Hmmm...they didn't teach you how to spell the word "cheering" (or chering) very well!
This thread is getting more bizarre by the minute, and is kinda going round in inane circles. I don't think anyone has given the OP a straightforward answer to her question.
This thread is getting more bizarre by the minute, and is kinda going round in inane circles. I don't think anyone has given the OP a straightforward answer to her question.
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Never Cease To Surprise
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This is my first posting, although I have been following GF Threads for some months, some of which I find quite disturbing.
I sometimes wonder where you guys have been ! I spent many years at GF/LHR ..75/98 (we cost to much so we got the pay off) and its nice to know that things are still the same after all these year (tongue in cheek).
Corruption, nepotism and the like still flourish.
Your contact at LHR I am sure I must know. For the info you are getting would appear correct.
The sad thing to say is that the Board of Directors treat this business as ther personel play thing, and always have done. There own little honey pot, with the help of there Goverment friends who also have there hands in the pie who will do almost anything to stay in power!
The London situation looks grime, you have now a lady A/APM who`s claim to fame was secretary to APM about 15/20 yr ago and promoted to a PSA. Remember the phrase (promoted to there level of incompetance) I think she`s out of her depth on this one!
The old APM who got the heave ho in May I know well, I think he will find he`s best out of it. I only hope he`s not talked into being reinstated as he would have to watch his back like a hawk. If he does, he need his brain tested. I am informed the case goes to tribunal next week !
Xena : If you apply for this job beware! Its full of pit falls, the gofa, at the beck and call of all and sundry. And a lot of butt kissing.
I wish her luck if she goes for it but its always been like the poison chalice from where I was sitting all those years
I do hope GF servives thru this crisis.
It would be great if they could find a local wizz kid, thats straight as a die and had the capability of getting it sorted once and all....wishful thinking I suspect !
Do away with all these so called experts/consultants etc, that are only out there to line there pockets in ther last few years in this industry.Also put more cash into there pension funds. MOST IMPORTANT
Here endith the history lesson
Good Luck
I sometimes wonder where you guys have been ! I spent many years at GF/LHR ..75/98 (we cost to much so we got the pay off) and its nice to know that things are still the same after all these year (tongue in cheek).
Corruption, nepotism and the like still flourish.
Your contact at LHR I am sure I must know. For the info you are getting would appear correct.
The sad thing to say is that the Board of Directors treat this business as ther personel play thing, and always have done. There own little honey pot, with the help of there Goverment friends who also have there hands in the pie who will do almost anything to stay in power!
The London situation looks grime, you have now a lady A/APM who`s claim to fame was secretary to APM about 15/20 yr ago and promoted to a PSA. Remember the phrase (promoted to there level of incompetance) I think she`s out of her depth on this one!
The old APM who got the heave ho in May I know well, I think he will find he`s best out of it. I only hope he`s not talked into being reinstated as he would have to watch his back like a hawk. If he does, he need his brain tested. I am informed the case goes to tribunal next week !
Xena : If you apply for this job beware! Its full of pit falls, the gofa, at the beck and call of all and sundry. And a lot of butt kissing.
I wish her luck if she goes for it but its always been like the poison chalice from where I was sitting all those years
I do hope GF servives thru this crisis.
It would be great if they could find a local wizz kid, thats straight as a die and had the capability of getting it sorted once and all....wishful thinking I suspect !
Do away with all these so called experts/consultants etc, that are only out there to line there pockets in ther last few years in this industry.Also put more cash into there pension funds. MOST IMPORTANT
Here endith the history lesson
Good Luck
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Ive had a little holiday and now im back.......
SharpCommand-Greetings from fantasy island
You certainly do know my good friend-he sends his regards and tells many tales of the `good ol days` you were apparantly the lucky ones at least you were paid off he has recently been told (hearsay mediator), that the plans for the high earners are to squeeze them out with any means so that GF saves money without having to pay them off so watch this space.
He confirms the newly appointed AAPM was indeed a secretary and only ever made it to `supervisor` not sure how then over more qualified people she was recommended to take this post, he doesnt either, it doesnt quite make sense when apparantly there are more qualified people at the station to do the job, maybe she does have contacts in low places.
From what I can make out all this mess at Heathrow is getting worse by the day, looking at that posting made by that probationary ppruner `just let me know` if they have been privvy to some obviously confidential information regarding `fraud` this information could only have come from the AAPM`s mouth -so much for confidentiality it obviously means nothing.......or is she indeed the probationary ppruner-hmmmm food for thought!
Sharpcommand-our friend has moved on to better things and I can only wish him well I am sure you too will hear of his good fortune soon enough.
Oh yes-and what has happened to to Xena ...........
Xena-are you taking the position were you ever taking the position?? Pray tell us ...................
You certainly do know my good friend-he sends his regards and tells many tales of the `good ol days` you were apparantly the lucky ones at least you were paid off he has recently been told (hearsay mediator), that the plans for the high earners are to squeeze them out with any means so that GF saves money without having to pay them off
so watch this space.He confirms the newly appointed AAPM was indeed a secretary and only ever made it to `supervisor` not sure how then over more qualified people she was recommended to take this post, he doesnt either, it doesnt quite make sense when apparantly there are more qualified people at the station to do the job, maybe she does have contacts in low places.
From what I can make out all this mess at Heathrow is getting worse by the day, looking at that posting made by that probationary ppruner `just let me know` if they have been privvy to some obviously confidential information regarding `fraud` this information could only have come from the AAPM`s mouth -so much for confidentiality it obviously means nothing.......or is she indeed the probationary ppruner-hmmmm food for thought!
Sharpcommand-our friend has moved on to better things and I can only wish him well I am sure you too will hear of his good fortune soon enough.
Oh yes-and what has happened to to Xena ...........
Xena-are you taking the position were you ever taking the position?? Pray tell us ...................
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TAKE it......TAKE IT......TAKE IT....TAKE IT.....WHAT ARE U WAITING FOR???.....DO IT
I wish i could work for gulf air! But i am not that lucky.
If i had the chance to work for GF i would take it
so ring them this instant and accept it! And maybe i will see you in london, got a flight with GF later on in December.
