EK or not EK this is the problem... and you are not helping!!
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Hi dears
No.. my happyness doesn't start in the cockpit of a shiny big jet. Actually I don't give a **** about how shiny or big it' s my work place...may be more on its airworthyness. I' m single so no wife waiting for me.. I see most of you think that I'm childish guy that wants to play with the big toy.Actually a I know a lot of people like this and probably this is the problem with this job. But is not my case. Mine is the case of a 40 years old F/O that five years ago joined a company ruled by a bunch of south american style military pilots yes men , in which everithing is done my country style. Pathetic training,bad rostering continuos call in days off to cover systemic lack of crew, bad salary, total lack of organization at all levels, and most of all a very bad attitude.If you don't join this mafia, forget your career. I fought my personal war knowing that I couldn't win but still I don't regret it cause at least I like what I see in the mirror in the morning.
Most of you guys probably come from aviation civilized country I don't. The only place you can do this job in this country is the flag carrier the rest is real **** . Shall I go to Rayanar? No thanks F**K Rayanair !!!
Shall I join some charter operator ?
No thanks I don't want to go to Cuba and come back immediately in must go!!!
Shall I stay where I'm? No thanks I don't want to be a bus driver flying six legs a day in the same four same destination for the rest of my working life.
If I'll come Dubai I know I will not be flying in my country anymore and actually I don't give much more then a s**t about broken bridges. I will have to wait for my upgrade? Still I will make more money there as an F/O then where I'm now as CPT .
And if I will not be happy I will quit and as I did before and do something else but in the mean time I will do something I never did see people I never saw and visit places I'm never been ,not even 24 hours.
So now somebody as to tell me something more ? And by the way I'm still waiting for that roster....
No.. my happyness doesn't start in the cockpit of a shiny big jet. Actually I don't give a **** about how shiny or big it' s my work place...may be more on its airworthyness. I' m single so no wife waiting for me.. I see most of you think that I'm childish guy that wants to play with the big toy.Actually a I know a lot of people like this and probably this is the problem with this job. But is not my case. Mine is the case of a 40 years old F/O that five years ago joined a company ruled by a bunch of south american style military pilots yes men , in which everithing is done my country style. Pathetic training,bad rostering continuos call in days off to cover systemic lack of crew, bad salary, total lack of organization at all levels, and most of all a very bad attitude.If you don't join this mafia, forget your career. I fought my personal war knowing that I couldn't win but still I don't regret it cause at least I like what I see in the mirror in the morning.
Most of you guys probably come from aviation civilized country I don't. The only place you can do this job in this country is the flag carrier the rest is real **** . Shall I go to Rayanar? No thanks F**K Rayanair !!!
Shall I join some charter operator ?
No thanks I don't want to go to Cuba and come back immediately in must go!!!
Shall I stay where I'm? No thanks I don't want to be a bus driver flying six legs a day in the same four same destination for the rest of my working life.
If I'll come Dubai I know I will not be flying in my country anymore and actually I don't give much more then a s**t about broken bridges. I will have to wait for my upgrade? Still I will make more money there as an F/O then where I'm now as CPT .
And if I will not be happy I will quit and as I did before and do something else but in the mean time I will do something I never did see people I never saw and visit places I'm never been ,not even 24 hours.
So now somebody as to tell me something more ? And by the way I'm still waiting for that roster....
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""..........bad rostering continuos call in days off to cover systemic lack of crew, bad salary, total lack of organization.....""
Hmmm - does this ring a bell anyone ?
Sounds just like the company you are about to join Furb.
Keep recovering
Hmmm - does this ring a bell anyone ?
Sounds just like the company you are about to join Furb.
Keep recovering
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You'll fit in fine hear. Your current level of English and grammar is on a par with our latest joiners.
Harry
You'll fit in fine hear. Your current level of English and grammar is on a par with our latest joiners.
Harry
Good to know that EK's senior 330/340 trainers have a sense of humour.
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His point seems to be that it's okay to have basic English because he can speak several others.
Well, my friend, I can assure you that we've had several guys in the last year, mainly from South America, who's command of English has been poor and as a result have been given 'extra' English lessons. This isn't for show, it's to prevent accidents occuring through errors in communications. It doesn't matter how good a poler you are. The sooner you realise that the better!
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Well, my friend, I can assure you that we've had several guys in the last year, mainly from South America, who's command of English has been poor and as a result have been given 'extra' English lessons. This isn't for show, it's to prevent accidents occuring through errors in communications. It doesn't matter how good a poler you are. The sooner you realise that the better!
Harry
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I tink you are goig out of teme. Tis post startid with simpl question.. Ow is realli laife in Dubai woking for Emirates eirlines?
Nau sims like I'm havin an english test. I 'm been instructing in da states for some iears ( I old FAA CPL CFI CFII MEI ) in the Ouston aria and I flu with collig from all over in may career. Never any problema wit communicazion... heaven if I come from Kazakhistan....Grade?
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Nau sims like I'm havin an english test. I 'm been instructing in da states for some iears ( I old FAA CPL CFI CFII MEI ) in the Ouston aria and I flu with collig from all over in may career. Never any problema wit communicazion... heaven if I come from Kazakhistan....Grade?
Dasvidanja.
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Thanks for your suggestion guys.
I was just joking..I'm not from Kazhakistan....near.
I do hold an ATPL ( how the hell would I have passed the interview otherwise ...? )
As well.....
So long
I was just joking..I'm not from Kazhakistan....near.
I do hold an ATPL ( how the hell would I have passed the interview otherwise ...? )
As well.....
So long
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Hi furb, this is what I think of you and your future.
I think you are a guy who has passed the interview and is now in a fantasy about how good your job will be when you reach EK. I don't believe there was ever any question on whether or not you will come here. Now here you sit waiting for that glorious day when you start training at EK, so you kill some time on this forum asking "questions" which only serve to enhance the fantasy.
I'm all for dreaming, we all do it, but make no mistake it is a dream. Just picture your self dreaming some more for that left seat for at least 3 years more likely 5 and six months before your slot comes up the company decides it needs 90 or so DECS right away. They will get them and you will realise that you are going to have to wait another 2 years for your command. Now I'm not saying that particular thing will happen but it is stuff like that which occurs here on a regular basis. Something like it WILL happen to you unless you are very lucky.
So if you want to come for a good shafting by all means do, but as so many others have said to you don't say we didn't warn you.
Also, it not such a bad thing talking with someone who is looking forward to coming, but when you and I are paired together on a night trip to exotic Hyderabad try to keep your b!tching and moaning to a minimum cause I'll be the one trying to get some Controlled rest.
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I think you are a guy who has passed the interview and is now in a fantasy about how good your job will be when you reach EK. I don't believe there was ever any question on whether or not you will come here. Now here you sit waiting for that glorious day when you start training at EK, so you kill some time on this forum asking "questions" which only serve to enhance the fantasy.
I'm all for dreaming, we all do it, but make no mistake it is a dream. Just picture your self dreaming some more for that left seat for at least 3 years more likely 5 and six months before your slot comes up the company decides it needs 90 or so DECS right away. They will get them and you will realise that you are going to have to wait another 2 years for your command. Now I'm not saying that particular thing will happen but it is stuff like that which occurs here on a regular basis. Something like it WILL happen to you unless you are very lucky.
So if you want to come for a good shafting by all means do, but as so many others have said to you don't say we didn't warn you.
Also, it not such a bad thing talking with someone who is looking forward to coming, but when you and I are paired together on a night trip to exotic Hyderabad try to keep your b!tching and moaning to a minimum cause I'll be the one trying to get some Controlled rest.
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So what would you say are the 3 biggest problems at EK. Try to be honest, there seems to be a lot of unhappy people there. Is the pay below par? Pissed off because of DEC's, can see your point on that one (but it happens). Is Dubai a bad place to live and bring a family up? Are they really that unprofessional at EK? Working to much a problem and bad lay overs. It seem's like a really good deal if your given the chance to be accepted at EK. Tax free, houseing, interst free loan... what am I missing? Can some one enlighten me a little more about EK?
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I'll I can say to you now Furb, is bring plenty of high quality vaseline for the certain shafting you'll enjoy after you arrive.
Regarding the English language, don't worry, over the last 2 years, management has shown a decided lack of effective communication anyway, so it won't be an issue for you.
Your "contract" is not worth the paper it's printed on and will be altered at the whim of management. They don't seem to understand the most basic western tenet that a contract is not a one sided document, but an agreement that requires both parties accord for any changes.
This was a GREAT company up to about the early 2000's - but from the arrival of CKN, it's been a slippery ride downhill at an ever increasing velocity, now at the very nadir of it's existence.
Look at the lack of any worthwhile awards EK has received recently. We used to be the absolute best and took great pride in our job. It is also a valid question to ask whether this company is now one of the so called "3rd world" carriers. This is the company you will be joining Furb.
As Airbus757 has said, please don't start bitching and moaning on an all night epic when you realise the mistake you have made.
Keep discovering and enjoy your "career" at Emirates.
Regarding the English language, don't worry, over the last 2 years, management has shown a decided lack of effective communication anyway, so it won't be an issue for you.
Your "contract" is not worth the paper it's printed on and will be altered at the whim of management. They don't seem to understand the most basic western tenet that a contract is not a one sided document, but an agreement that requires both parties accord for any changes.
This was a GREAT company up to about the early 2000's - but from the arrival of CKN, it's been a slippery ride downhill at an ever increasing velocity, now at the very nadir of it's existence.
Look at the lack of any worthwhile awards EK has received recently. We used to be the absolute best and took great pride in our job. It is also a valid question to ask whether this company is now one of the so called "3rd world" carriers. This is the company you will be joining Furb.
As Airbus757 has said, please don't start bitching and moaning on an all night epic when you realise the mistake you have made.
Keep discovering and enjoy your "career" at Emirates.
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Uncle Buzz,
I will try to be as honest as I can, although I do not like the place so I see things half empty.
There is no such thing as tax free as there is no Santa Clause. Things in Dubai cost as much, if not more in some cases, as they cost in Europe. There is no Value Added Tax, but the price tag is the same. The exception to that will be petrol and groceries, although with the recent increase in prices in Super Markets we are not far behind them.... Going out for meals is on par with Europe and for sure more than North America...
Quality of life has dropped both because of extra cost, and because of constant construction and traffic jams. There are too many cars and not enough roads in Dubai and shall be the case for the forseable future. The beaches have been eroded, it becomes more and more difficult to find open space to enjoy the outdoors by the sea. You can of course go to beach clubs and hotels and swimming pools, but it is way too artificial for a constant day in and day out.....
Emirates has changed and is changing all the time, but unfortunately towards the worst. The UAE in general does not have laws that if broken results in any form of meaningful punishment to the offenders. It is the same in EK as we brake every rule, and every law and every regulation we have internaly and in the country, because even when we do get caught, the regulator being the owner does not punish us, or reprimand us (Verbal only). We fly more than the 900 hours per year regulation, and it does not matter, we fly more than the 18 hours maximum duty period (4 pilots) and it does not matter, we roster 2 pilots knowlingly that they will exceed they allowed duty period and it does not matter. If you refuse to brake, the law, or to bend it you are called in to the office and are reprimanded.
We fly mostly night flights, and since we fly a lot it is very strenuous and fatiguing for you. The only good thing about EK on this subject is that you are allowed to sleep on the flight deck (Controled Rest)
You are not treated nicely within the company by any one except Flight Operations. Staff travel is a huge problem. (You are not guaranteed a seat home even on your once a year confirmed annual leave ticket-I was offloaded not too long ago). You are considered slave labour once you join.
The airplanes are nice though, the marketing is great, and the PR department is second to none. EK is great when seen from the outside. It is not bad if you are unemployed, or if you want to come and get some experience and move on. It is not bad if you are coming from a small locost outfit, and it is not bad if you come from a country with security issues. It is a huge mistake to leave a company and a country with laws rules and regulations and join EK thinking that it is going to be similar. It is like going to Disney World seeing the Carabian, Latin America, and Europe and thinking that you have seen those countries..... At least in DW the employees are nice to you...
I will try to be as honest as I can, although I do not like the place so I see things half empty.
There is no such thing as tax free as there is no Santa Clause. Things in Dubai cost as much, if not more in some cases, as they cost in Europe. There is no Value Added Tax, but the price tag is the same. The exception to that will be petrol and groceries, although with the recent increase in prices in Super Markets we are not far behind them.... Going out for meals is on par with Europe and for sure more than North America...
Quality of life has dropped both because of extra cost, and because of constant construction and traffic jams. There are too many cars and not enough roads in Dubai and shall be the case for the forseable future. The beaches have been eroded, it becomes more and more difficult to find open space to enjoy the outdoors by the sea. You can of course go to beach clubs and hotels and swimming pools, but it is way too artificial for a constant day in and day out.....
Emirates has changed and is changing all the time, but unfortunately towards the worst. The UAE in general does not have laws that if broken results in any form of meaningful punishment to the offenders. It is the same in EK as we brake every rule, and every law and every regulation we have internaly and in the country, because even when we do get caught, the regulator being the owner does not punish us, or reprimand us (Verbal only). We fly more than the 900 hours per year regulation, and it does not matter, we fly more than the 18 hours maximum duty period (4 pilots) and it does not matter, we roster 2 pilots knowlingly that they will exceed they allowed duty period and it does not matter. If you refuse to brake, the law, or to bend it you are called in to the office and are reprimanded.
We fly mostly night flights, and since we fly a lot it is very strenuous and fatiguing for you. The only good thing about EK on this subject is that you are allowed to sleep on the flight deck (Controled Rest)
You are not treated nicely within the company by any one except Flight Operations. Staff travel is a huge problem. (You are not guaranteed a seat home even on your once a year confirmed annual leave ticket-I was offloaded not too long ago). You are considered slave labour once you join.
The airplanes are nice though, the marketing is great, and the PR department is second to none. EK is great when seen from the outside. It is not bad if you are unemployed, or if you want to come and get some experience and move on. It is not bad if you are coming from a small locost outfit, and it is not bad if you come from a country with security issues. It is a huge mistake to leave a company and a country with laws rules and regulations and join EK thinking that it is going to be similar. It is like going to Disney World seeing the Carabian, Latin America, and Europe and thinking that you have seen those countries..... At least in DW the employees are nice to you...
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Perception is reality, individual reality that is.
And then it goes somehow like this
Power creates reality, you have only one life.....do not waist it
And then it goes somehow like this
- Fantasy
- Idealisation
- Disappointment
- Anger
Power creates reality, you have only one life.....do not waist it
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Why is it that the requirements for an FO with EK are so high? 4000hrs TT seems a lot compared with other airlines operating widebodies. Are EK getting enough suitably qualified applicants or will the requirements be lowered in the near future?
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Hey guys, I'm really keen on EK but wonder about the reality vas a vis life in Dubai, and also the seemingly high resignation rate lately-presumably amongst the married crews (of which a lot has been said here). I believe their interviews are a tough call, so anyone know whether there's any chance of a second shot if the first interview is kinda dunked?? Also, how fast is a command upgrade really possible from joining? There seem to be quite a few disgruntled souls with broken promises on this issue! Appreciate some info on this. Cheers!