EK or not EK this is the problem... and you are not helping!!
Not in DXB there ain't. The odd Whale shark mate, but thats about it. The Gulf waters are generally too warm for sharks, especially in summer. You can see them over in Fujeirah, Indian Ocean side of the UAE.
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I wasn't referring to the fishy sort, more the ones on dry land, selling houses, investment packages for expats, car sales...............those sort of sharks! Get my drift?
I wasn't referring to the fishy sort, more the ones on dry land, selling houses, investment packages for expats, car sales...............those sort of sharks! Get my drift?
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Furby,
I see youve decided to join us and swell the ranks,based on Rev Dr D and BYMONEK ,Im so disappointed you didnt give the rest of us any credit for your monumental decision.
So much so,Im going to sulk in the pub its 0500 and Ive just done yet another night sim duty,but like so many I love it,were very lucky to be here as highly valued pilots,like many others I enjoy starting my duty at 10pm at night.
By the way,unlike my colleagues Im not lazy,and I got 10 days off this month.Did I mention we are really well paid?
Welcome to the dream.
Ah,the pub awaits even at this time of the day.
QB
I see youve decided to join us and swell the ranks,based on Rev Dr D and BYMONEK ,Im so disappointed you didnt give the rest of us any credit for your monumental decision.
So much so,Im going to sulk in the pub its 0500 and Ive just done yet another night sim duty,but like so many I love it,were very lucky to be here as highly valued pilots,like many others I enjoy starting my duty at 10pm at night.
By the way,unlike my colleagues Im not lazy,and I got 10 days off this month.Did I mention we are really well paid?
Welcome to the dream.
Ah,the pub awaits even at this time of the day.
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Hello Furb,
I do not know what a rustic guy is but I will take your word for it.... On the issue of joining Ek good luck to you.....
I have been here some time now, and I can tell you that things are not what they seem to be from the out side. Think back to when you joined your present employer and how happy you were. I am sure people then told you the bad points, but you would not listen because you were new and naive.... Now you leave them because you have had enough....
Think about the guy who is going to replace you, does he believe that the place your are leaving is bad? If he did he would not be joing your outfit....
We tend to see what we want to see. We tend to ignore the issues and views that do not fall in to our pre-conceived reality.
People in EK do not leave for various reasons, although that does not mean that they like staying here either.
Would your employer take you back once you have left? Would you be able to go back in to seniority or to your old position with the salary you had? Would you be able to find another job in your contry and in the region you want to live easily, or would you have to commute? Would you be able to easily justify the cost of moving your family out of DXB? pay all the loans on cars etc, and then afford the loans on new cars houses etc. Would you be able to afford the houses if you have left the property lader and they have sky rocketed since?
It is easier to complain than leaving because it does not cost as much, and it does not require as much effort, but that does not mean that people do not leave or that they complain just to complain....
We have had around 70 resignations in the last two years, so many actualy that our managers have taken away the feature from the crew portal and we can no longer see who is leaving. This is a typical example of fixing things in DXB and in EK. Hide the truth-problem solved....
EK is not an achievement, although you may feel it is because recruitment makes you believe that. It is part of the catch to get you to join, you feel special, you feel you have achieved something, therefore you must join....
It is just a job like any other, and once you have done it just like you have in your present employer you realise that it should be a two way relationship. Give expertise, and get money and quality of life.
At present we tend to be giving and not receiving. You might say that it is the same where you are, but I would say that it is not... you are home and have the comfort of your friends and family. This is not our country, we are here until we move on either back home, or to greener pastures...
Take a vacation if you need a brake, but do not come here believing that things will be better. It is a different outfit, with similar problems to yours. It used to be great, it has been much more fun than recently, and the money used to go a long way. Now it is not worth coming here in my view.... I would never join EK again if I knew then what I know now, but then it was a different company.....
"Come and Discover until you also find the best...."
I do not know what a rustic guy is but I will take your word for it.... On the issue of joining Ek good luck to you.....
I have been here some time now, and I can tell you that things are not what they seem to be from the out side. Think back to when you joined your present employer and how happy you were. I am sure people then told you the bad points, but you would not listen because you were new and naive.... Now you leave them because you have had enough....
Think about the guy who is going to replace you, does he believe that the place your are leaving is bad? If he did he would not be joing your outfit....
We tend to see what we want to see. We tend to ignore the issues and views that do not fall in to our pre-conceived reality.
People in EK do not leave for various reasons, although that does not mean that they like staying here either.
Would your employer take you back once you have left? Would you be able to go back in to seniority or to your old position with the salary you had? Would you be able to find another job in your contry and in the region you want to live easily, or would you have to commute? Would you be able to easily justify the cost of moving your family out of DXB? pay all the loans on cars etc, and then afford the loans on new cars houses etc. Would you be able to afford the houses if you have left the property lader and they have sky rocketed since?
It is easier to complain than leaving because it does not cost as much, and it does not require as much effort, but that does not mean that people do not leave or that they complain just to complain....
We have had around 70 resignations in the last two years, so many actualy that our managers have taken away the feature from the crew portal and we can no longer see who is leaving. This is a typical example of fixing things in DXB and in EK. Hide the truth-problem solved....
EK is not an achievement, although you may feel it is because recruitment makes you believe that. It is part of the catch to get you to join, you feel special, you feel you have achieved something, therefore you must join....
It is just a job like any other, and once you have done it just like you have in your present employer you realise that it should be a two way relationship. Give expertise, and get money and quality of life.
At present we tend to be giving and not receiving. You might say that it is the same where you are, but I would say that it is not... you are home and have the comfort of your friends and family. This is not our country, we are here until we move on either back home, or to greener pastures...
Take a vacation if you need a brake, but do not come here believing that things will be better. It is a different outfit, with similar problems to yours. It used to be great, it has been much more fun than recently, and the money used to go a long way. Now it is not worth coming here in my view.... I would never join EK again if I knew then what I know now, but then it was a different company.....
"Come and Discover until you also find the best...."
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'The Honeymooners' - Starring Capt Optimistic and First Officer Quick Command. An everyday story of life in Dubai.
I was delighted when I got my job at EK. I recommended it to all my mates - some came and some even still speak to me. At about 2 years I started to see the sand in between the buildings when I got stuck in a traffic jam on the SZR. I am still here because I can't be asked to move yet. But Rev D has it spot on, my mate was the most positive guy in the airline until he got to 2 years and then the gold started to flake off his idol as all the DECs continued and the new transition upgrade policy was announced. Then he watched as his fellow joiners on the 777 started their upgrades and the company thought he might be in line 18 months or so later on the Bus.
I was delighted when I got my job at EK. I recommended it to all my mates - some came and some even still speak to me. At about 2 years I started to see the sand in between the buildings when I got stuck in a traffic jam on the SZR. I am still here because I can't be asked to move yet. But Rev D has it spot on, my mate was the most positive guy in the airline until he got to 2 years and then the gold started to flake off his idol as all the DECs continued and the new transition upgrade policy was announced. Then he watched as his fellow joiners on the 777 started their upgrades and the company thought he might be in line 18 months or so later on the Bus.
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Originally Posted by furbpilot
I want to thank you all for the answer and advices you gave me. Specially the last post by Bymonek and Reverend..mmmhhh... well.. i don´t remenber, are intellectually honest and finally helping. I know paradise is not of this life..( and actually i dont believe I will have another one so....no paradise at all..) .This kind of post are finally helping
One more crew to reduce your workload..you should be happy.
Thanks again and see you in Dubai.
One more crew to reduce your workload..you should be happy.
Thanks again and see you in Dubai.
Although I don't live in Dubai or work at EK, I have seen many an expat, from all over the world, come and go from the sand pit around the gulf. In some ways they are all the same.
Unfortunately too many with an attitude like yourself. And they are the ones destined for the biggest fall/shock once they actually see what its really like.
What everyone here is telling you is true. It's up to you whether you want to believe in the advice you asked for or not.
Good luck and don't say you haven't been warned.
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EK OR NOT EK THIS IS THE PROBLEM
HI, YOU'RE THINKING IN A VERY CONVENTIONAL WAY AND A LOT OF THE GUYS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO REPLY IN AS HONEST (FROM WHAT I HAVE READ) A WAY AS POSSIBLE.
YOU MAY BE WISHING FOR A ROSTER THAT GETS YOU OUT OF DUBAI - HAVE YOU GIVEN THAT ANY THOUGHT. YOU MIGHT DISLIKE THIS ISLAND OF HYPOCRISY SO MUCH. IF YOU'RE MARRIED AND YOUR WIFE IS MISERABLE, HOW WILL YOU COPE WITH THAT WHEN YOU GET TO GO TO EUROPE OR AUSTRALIA AND SHE DOESN'T. IF LIFE FOR YOU BEGINS AND ENDS IN THE COCKPIT OF A BIG AEROPLANE THEN COME HERE, YOU DESERVE IT.
HOW SECURE WILL YOU FEEL WHEN AS AN F/O YOU WILL BE AT MANAGEMENT'S BEHEST FOR AS MANY YEARS AS IT TAKES TO GET A COMMAND INTERVIEW (A330'S RETIREMENT BEGINS THIS YEAR-DO YOUR SUM). HOW WILL YOU COPE IF YOU DON'T GET PAST THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION, WHICH YOU THOUGHT YOU HAD PASSED WHEN YOU GOT HIRED, FOR THAT COMMAND - SO YOU DON'T EVEN MAKE IT TO THE INTERVIEW. HAVE THEY TOLD YOU THAT EVERY PROMOTION REQUIRES YOU PASSING A PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION? HAVE THEY TOLD YOU HOW MANY COMMAND CANDIDATES HAVE FAILED. IF YOU MEET SOME OF THEM YOU WILL WONDER WHY BECAUSE WHEN I DID THEY SEEMED QUITE SANE TO ME.
HAVE YOU EVER FLOWN BACK TO BACK TRIPS THAT HAD YOU FLYING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS FROM YOUR HOME BASE AND WHICH COVERED QUITE A NUMBER OF TIME ZONES? WHEN YOU ARE SO TIRED THAT YOU FEEL YOU SHOULDN'T BE AT WORK BUT GO ANYWAY - AND IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, THE COMPANY WILL HIDE BEHIND THE FOM, WHICH STATES CLEARLY THAT YOU SHOULDN'T SHOW UP FOR WORK TIRED.
YOU ARE ENTRUSTED WITH QUITE A LUMP OF RESPONSIBILITY IN THIS JOB BUT AT EK YOU WILL RECEIVE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF AUTHORITY AND NO LOYALTY. YOU ARE DISPATCHED YET YOUR DISPATCHER ISN'T WORTH THE SEAT HE SITS ON. IF YOU TRY TO HELP YOU CAN EXPECT SHORT SHRIFT ESPECIALLY IF DEALING WITH SOME OF THE EGOES WHO OCCUPY THE SMNC POSITIONS (SENIOUR MANAGER NETWORK CONTROL).
THESE MAY NOT EQUATE TO MUCH FOR YOU IF YOU'RE IN LOVE WITH YOUR BIG SHINEY JET BUT WHEN YOU MESS UP DUE TO ALL OF THE ABOVE, YOU WILL STAND VERY ALONE. BROADEN YOUR FOCUS AND DON'T GET SUCKED INTO THE WANABEE FRAME OF MIND.
YOU MAY BE WISHING FOR A ROSTER THAT GETS YOU OUT OF DUBAI - HAVE YOU GIVEN THAT ANY THOUGHT. YOU MIGHT DISLIKE THIS ISLAND OF HYPOCRISY SO MUCH. IF YOU'RE MARRIED AND YOUR WIFE IS MISERABLE, HOW WILL YOU COPE WITH THAT WHEN YOU GET TO GO TO EUROPE OR AUSTRALIA AND SHE DOESN'T. IF LIFE FOR YOU BEGINS AND ENDS IN THE COCKPIT OF A BIG AEROPLANE THEN COME HERE, YOU DESERVE IT.
HOW SECURE WILL YOU FEEL WHEN AS AN F/O YOU WILL BE AT MANAGEMENT'S BEHEST FOR AS MANY YEARS AS IT TAKES TO GET A COMMAND INTERVIEW (A330'S RETIREMENT BEGINS THIS YEAR-DO YOUR SUM). HOW WILL YOU COPE IF YOU DON'T GET PAST THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION, WHICH YOU THOUGHT YOU HAD PASSED WHEN YOU GOT HIRED, FOR THAT COMMAND - SO YOU DON'T EVEN MAKE IT TO THE INTERVIEW. HAVE THEY TOLD YOU THAT EVERY PROMOTION REQUIRES YOU PASSING A PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION? HAVE THEY TOLD YOU HOW MANY COMMAND CANDIDATES HAVE FAILED. IF YOU MEET SOME OF THEM YOU WILL WONDER WHY BECAUSE WHEN I DID THEY SEEMED QUITE SANE TO ME.
HAVE YOU EVER FLOWN BACK TO BACK TRIPS THAT HAD YOU FLYING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS FROM YOUR HOME BASE AND WHICH COVERED QUITE A NUMBER OF TIME ZONES? WHEN YOU ARE SO TIRED THAT YOU FEEL YOU SHOULDN'T BE AT WORK BUT GO ANYWAY - AND IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, THE COMPANY WILL HIDE BEHIND THE FOM, WHICH STATES CLEARLY THAT YOU SHOULDN'T SHOW UP FOR WORK TIRED.
YOU ARE ENTRUSTED WITH QUITE A LUMP OF RESPONSIBILITY IN THIS JOB BUT AT EK YOU WILL RECEIVE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF AUTHORITY AND NO LOYALTY. YOU ARE DISPATCHED YET YOUR DISPATCHER ISN'T WORTH THE SEAT HE SITS ON. IF YOU TRY TO HELP YOU CAN EXPECT SHORT SHRIFT ESPECIALLY IF DEALING WITH SOME OF THE EGOES WHO OCCUPY THE SMNC POSITIONS (SENIOUR MANAGER NETWORK CONTROL).
THESE MAY NOT EQUATE TO MUCH FOR YOU IF YOU'RE IN LOVE WITH YOUR BIG SHINEY JET BUT WHEN YOU MESS UP DUE TO ALL OF THE ABOVE, YOU WILL STAND VERY ALONE. BROADEN YOUR FOCUS AND DON'T GET SUCKED INTO THE WANABEE FRAME OF MIND.
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Is EK a psychopatic corporation or not science has the answer.
From CR-Psychopaths to Responsible
Corporations: Waking up the Inner
Sleeping Beauty of Companies
Tarja Ketola*
Department of Management, TurkuSchool of Economics, Finland
ABSTRACT
Many large companies seem to fulfil the psychiatric criteria for psychopaths in their corporate responsibility (CR) practices. Are they really incurable psychopaths, or is it possible that they could be counselled into accepting their responsibilities?
CR studies have so far paid little attention to the variations in the CR emphases between different companies. This article, based on a conference paper (Ketola, 2005b), presents a CR emphasis model, pinpointing eight different approaches to corporate responsibility. Some companies do not voluntarily take any responsibilities.
Companies acting like psychopaths need a Prince of Virtues to kiss awake their
inner Sleeping Beauty from its 100-year irresponsibility sleep. All companies could take advantage of virtue ethics, which present the values shared by all humans, and hence exemplify the natural law (lex naturae). Counselling top managers and key individuals on their personal and professional values enables all personnel to integrate virtues into the company’s CR practices. Copyright © 2006 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd and ERP Environment.
Introduction
IN AN AMERICAN TV DOCUMENTARY, TARGETING THE MAJORS (FINNISH TV2, 2 JANUARY 2005),
major companies were subjected to a personality test by measuring their actions in the areas of economic, social and ecological responsibilities. The actions taken by those companies indicated that they were psychopaths as they fulfilled all the criteria of psychopathy. I have adopted this idea, and compare in Table 1 the personal characteristics of psychopaths with typical contemporary organizational behaviour.
Naturally, the documentary presented the worst deeds done by companies; therefore, the psychopathic characteristics do not represent their whole personality, which also incorporates good deeds. However, a responsible company does not do good deeds with one hand and evil deeds with the other hand, but tries to do good with both hands. Psychopathic characteristics should be eliminated from a company in order that it can really be a responsible company and say so.
The psychopathic characteristics of companies are often established practices developed over the years or decades. They have started from an individual’s or individual company’s evil deed that has remained unpunished, and have consequently spread and become a common practice within a company and among companies, a line of business and the whole business community. New psychopathic corporate characteristics are developing all the time – every time a company gets off scot-free. It is the responsibility of companies themselves, business communities, business environments and society at large to see to that no-one’s irresponsible deeds remain unpunished. Apart from discipline, positive incentives are needed to motivate companies away from psychopathic behaviour. First they need to become aware of their current position in the CR emphasis map, in order that appropriate action can be taken.
A Hypothetical Corporate Responsibility Emphasis Model
Corporate responsibility research has made major advances in mapping the area both in theory and practice
However, CR studies have so far paid little attention to the variations in the CR emphases between different companies. Companies have remarkably varied approaches to responsibility. Even within a single line of business many different attitudes can be found. For example, of the oil companies the Finnish Neste Oil believes that their ‘profit cake’ can be cut between economic, social and ecological responsibilities, while the American ExxonMobil sees responsibility as a zero sum game in which the economic responsibilities
must win (Ketola, 2005a). The British BP and the British–Dutch Shell tend to lobby compromises
between different stakeholders so that the claimants of social and ecological responsibilities would also be satisfied with what they benefit from the oil companies’ profits (Ketola, 2005a; O’Rourke, 2004;
CR-Psychopaths
The corporate responsibility emphases of different companies can be analysed with the assistance of
a hypothetical corporate responsibility model illustrated in Figure 1. The model takes account of all the combinations of corporate economic, social and ecological responsibilities. Thus an individual responsibility profile can be drawn for each company.
Some of these concepts have already been used by other researchers. O’Riordan (1981) made a division between technocentric and ecocentric sustainable development and Pearce (1991), Purser et al.
(1995), Shrivastava (1995) and Iyer (1999) between anthropocentric and ecocentric sustainable development.
However, their anthropocentrism is in fact a rather inhuman, calculative technocentric
approach for the rich and mighty who can afford to solve problems with technological innovations.
Chambers (1987), on the other hand, introduced a genuinely anthropocentric approach, sustainable
livelihoods, in which poor people are paid special attention to. Our Common Future (WCED, 1987) is a
compromise between technocentric, anthropocentric and ecocentric approaches.
Colby (1990) distinguished five categories along the line of anthropo-, eco- and biocentric sustainable
development. As with Pearce, Colby’s anthropocentric alternative is actually technocentric, which makes
his five categories very strong technocentrism, strong technocentrism, modified technocentrism,
ecocentrism and biocentrism – illustrating the society’s firm, even desperate, belief in technological.......
Corporations: Waking up the Inner
Sleeping Beauty of Companies
Tarja Ketola*
Department of Management, TurkuSchool of Economics, Finland
ABSTRACT
Many large companies seem to fulfil the psychiatric criteria for psychopaths in their corporate responsibility (CR) practices. Are they really incurable psychopaths, or is it possible that they could be counselled into accepting their responsibilities?
CR studies have so far paid little attention to the variations in the CR emphases between different companies. This article, based on a conference paper (Ketola, 2005b), presents a CR emphasis model, pinpointing eight different approaches to corporate responsibility. Some companies do not voluntarily take any responsibilities.
Companies acting like psychopaths need a Prince of Virtues to kiss awake their
inner Sleeping Beauty from its 100-year irresponsibility sleep. All companies could take advantage of virtue ethics, which present the values shared by all humans, and hence exemplify the natural law (lex naturae). Counselling top managers and key individuals on their personal and professional values enables all personnel to integrate virtues into the company’s CR practices. Copyright © 2006 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd and ERP Environment.
Introduction
IN AN AMERICAN TV DOCUMENTARY, TARGETING THE MAJORS (FINNISH TV2, 2 JANUARY 2005),
major companies were subjected to a personality test by measuring their actions in the areas of economic, social and ecological responsibilities. The actions taken by those companies indicated that they were psychopaths as they fulfilled all the criteria of psychopathy. I have adopted this idea, and compare in Table 1 the personal characteristics of psychopaths with typical contemporary organizational behaviour.
Naturally, the documentary presented the worst deeds done by companies; therefore, the psychopathic characteristics do not represent their whole personality, which also incorporates good deeds. However, a responsible company does not do good deeds with one hand and evil deeds with the other hand, but tries to do good with both hands. Psychopathic characteristics should be eliminated from a company in order that it can really be a responsible company and say so.
The psychopathic characteristics of companies are often established practices developed over the years or decades. They have started from an individual’s or individual company’s evil deed that has remained unpunished, and have consequently spread and become a common practice within a company and among companies, a line of business and the whole business community. New psychopathic corporate characteristics are developing all the time – every time a company gets off scot-free. It is the responsibility of companies themselves, business communities, business environments and society at large to see to that no-one’s irresponsible deeds remain unpunished. Apart from discipline, positive incentives are needed to motivate companies away from psychopathic behaviour. First they need to become aware of their current position in the CR emphasis map, in order that appropriate action can be taken.
A Hypothetical Corporate Responsibility Emphasis Model
Corporate responsibility research has made major advances in mapping the area both in theory and practice
However, CR studies have so far paid little attention to the variations in the CR emphases between different companies. Companies have remarkably varied approaches to responsibility. Even within a single line of business many different attitudes can be found. For example, of the oil companies the Finnish Neste Oil believes that their ‘profit cake’ can be cut between economic, social and ecological responsibilities, while the American ExxonMobil sees responsibility as a zero sum game in which the economic responsibilities
must win (Ketola, 2005a). The British BP and the British–Dutch Shell tend to lobby compromises
between different stakeholders so that the claimants of social and ecological responsibilities would also be satisfied with what they benefit from the oil companies’ profits (Ketola, 2005a; O’Rourke, 2004;
CR-Psychopaths
The corporate responsibility emphases of different companies can be analysed with the assistance of
a hypothetical corporate responsibility model illustrated in Figure 1. The model takes account of all the combinations of corporate economic, social and ecological responsibilities. Thus an individual responsibility profile can be drawn for each company.
Some of these concepts have already been used by other researchers. O’Riordan (1981) made a division between technocentric and ecocentric sustainable development and Pearce (1991), Purser et al.
(1995), Shrivastava (1995) and Iyer (1999) between anthropocentric and ecocentric sustainable development.
However, their anthropocentrism is in fact a rather inhuman, calculative technocentric
approach for the rich and mighty who can afford to solve problems with technological innovations.
Chambers (1987), on the other hand, introduced a genuinely anthropocentric approach, sustainable
livelihoods, in which poor people are paid special attention to. Our Common Future (WCED, 1987) is a
compromise between technocentric, anthropocentric and ecocentric approaches.
Colby (1990) distinguished five categories along the line of anthropo-, eco- and biocentric sustainable
development. As with Pearce, Colby’s anthropocentric alternative is actually technocentric, which makes
his five categories very strong technocentrism, strong technocentrism, modified technocentrism,
ecocentrism and biocentrism – illustrating the society’s firm, even desperate, belief in technological.......
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Honest advice
Furbpilot: I think you're probably a little overwhelmed with all the advice coming at you over this forum. You've made up your mind and really want someone to back it up. Its not going to happen, so choose the middle road.
If it's not too late, sit down with your present employer and explain your position before you resign. Tell him that you're just not sure, but that you feel compelled to try a move to EK. If he's a little older and been in the game for a while, he'll understand. Ask him if you can come back if it all turns to custard. It will help him too, because you'll send a clear message to anyone else at the company entertaining the same notion.
When you get here and you get the keys to temporary accommodation which is an apartment in the middle of the business district with no clear idea when you and your family can move, you have a back door.
When you draw the short straw and get paired up with one of the many instructors who treats you like a child, you have a back door.
When you draw the shortest straw of all, and do your final check with our favourite instructor who quizzes you for 4 hours on.......your politics, your President/Prime Minister and your sexual persuasion and then finally fails you anyway for not starting your stopwatch on push-back, you have a back door.
When you lodge a complaint about this treatment and the company grounds YOU for 3 months and subjects you to non-stop psychometric evaluation and the culprit walks free, you have a back door.
It's OK to make a well intentioned mistake, and its the mark of an intelligent man to admit it and turn back down the road you've just travelled. Do everything you can to keep the door open, Furbpilot, and an honest "Good luck".
SM.
If it's not too late, sit down with your present employer and explain your position before you resign. Tell him that you're just not sure, but that you feel compelled to try a move to EK. If he's a little older and been in the game for a while, he'll understand. Ask him if you can come back if it all turns to custard. It will help him too, because you'll send a clear message to anyone else at the company entertaining the same notion.
When you get here and you get the keys to temporary accommodation which is an apartment in the middle of the business district with no clear idea when you and your family can move, you have a back door.
When you draw the short straw and get paired up with one of the many instructors who treats you like a child, you have a back door.
When you draw the shortest straw of all, and do your final check with our favourite instructor who quizzes you for 4 hours on.......your politics, your President/Prime Minister and your sexual persuasion and then finally fails you anyway for not starting your stopwatch on push-back, you have a back door.
When you lodge a complaint about this treatment and the company grounds YOU for 3 months and subjects you to non-stop psychometric evaluation and the culprit walks free, you have a back door.
It's OK to make a well intentioned mistake, and its the mark of an intelligent man to admit it and turn back down the road you've just travelled. Do everything you can to keep the door open, Furbpilot, and an honest "Good luck".
SM.
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A philosophical view
http://www.nostradamusonline.com/sample_chapter.php
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In May 2004, members of the Italian National Library in Rome made an amazing discovery. Buried in their archives was an unknown manuscript by the famed prophet Michel Notredame, or Nostradamus (1503-1566). This manuscript was handed down to the prophet's son and later donated by him to Pope Urban VIII. It did not surface again until now, almost four hundred years later.
Third world country leader creates strife
(Century III, Quatrain 60)
A "young dark man" will arise as a leader in a Third World country; his main goal is to unite the other Third World countries to do battle with the superpowers. The area of conflict will be in Eastern Europe and the Middle East, particularly around he Adriatic and the Caspian seas and the eastern Mediterranean. No definite winner will emerge but the strife will help set the stage for the Antichrist. Some prophecies in the Bible refer to events in this region
(Century II, Quatrains 3 and 4)
During continuing unrest in the Middle East, one of the leaders will be able to get a hold of an nuclear bomb. He will go to the greatest lengths over the smallest things and will not hesitate to use the weapon because his obsessions with deadly warfare. The people he is warring against retaliate with a nuclear weapon. The country has a coast on the Mediterranean.
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In May 2004, members of the Italian National Library in Rome made an amazing discovery. Buried in their archives was an unknown manuscript by the famed prophet Michel Notredame, or Nostradamus (1503-1566). This manuscript was handed down to the prophet's son and later donated by him to Pope Urban VIII. It did not surface again until now, almost four hundred years later.
Third world country leader creates strife
(Century III, Quatrain 60)
A "young dark man" will arise as a leader in a Third World country; his main goal is to unite the other Third World countries to do battle with the superpowers. The area of conflict will be in Eastern Europe and the Middle East, particularly around he Adriatic and the Caspian seas and the eastern Mediterranean. No definite winner will emerge but the strife will help set the stage for the Antichrist. Some prophecies in the Bible refer to events in this region
(Century II, Quatrains 3 and 4)
During continuing unrest in the Middle East, one of the leaders will be able to get a hold of an nuclear bomb. He will go to the greatest lengths over the smallest things and will not hesitate to use the weapon because his obsessions with deadly warfare. The people he is warring against retaliate with a nuclear weapon. The country has a coast on the Mediterranean.
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In some translations it says "weopon of mass destruction".
This definition may contain a wide range of weapons. For some it is a nuclear bomb in the hands of middle eastern leaders, for others it's a simple rifle in the hands of western vice presidents.
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This definition may contain a wide range of weapons. For some it is a nuclear bomb in the hands of middle eastern leaders, for others it's a simple rifle in the hands of western vice presidents.
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Beamarias
So you've been here 18 months and a member of Nads 2 years. Seems you make it a habit getting in early before others. Why were you complaining then if you had a place? Anyway, thanks for the dietry advice but as a relatively senior trainer on the 330/340 I can at least afford the sweeter variety!
Harry
So you've been here 18 months and a member of Nads 2 years. Seems you make it a habit getting in early before others. Why were you complaining then if you had a place? Anyway, thanks for the dietry advice but as a relatively senior trainer on the 330/340 I can at least afford the sweeter variety!
Harry