Islamist Web Site Warns U.A.E. to Expel Non-Muslims
Bloggers law held as conventional wisdom is that one who first brings Hitler into the discussion has lost.....seems appropriate here.
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That is the easy way out, Hitler, no Hitler what is happening today is no different and if we were to ignore the past because one name is deemed unacceptable, than the history of this world has no meaning and no reference, and our objective aimless.
Say it for what it is and not what it is not, the terrible consequence of the shoa is something we all live it is not the property of one people or kind, like human rights are not the property of the west but the basic right deserved by each and every individual on the face of this planet and that includes dignity that is often forfeited for the sake of individual interests.
Easy to pull out by saying the first we who pronouces the name ..........
Get a life, you have not countered any of the postings that refute your state of mind with a logical statement, but you are quick to hide when confronted with the truth.
That is the easy way out, Hitler, no Hitler what is happening today is no different and if we were to ignore the past because one name is deemed unacceptable, than the history of this world has no meaning and no reference, and our objective aimless.
Say it for what it is and not what it is not, the terrible consequence of the shoa is something we all live it is not the property of one people or kind, like human rights are not the property of the west but the basic right deserved by each and every individual on the face of this planet and that includes dignity that is often forfeited for the sake of individual interests.
Easy to pull out by saying the first we who pronouces the name ..........
Get a life, you have not countered any of the postings that refute your state of mind with a logical statement, but you are quick to hide when confronted with the truth.
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Bombs and traffic jams
Hope I am wrong about this but when the first bomb goes off, there will be a traffic jam alright, full of expats high tailing it outa there.
It is not a question of if but when. It's the reality of the world we live in now.
Hope I am wrong about this but when the first bomb goes off, there will be a traffic jam alright, full of expats high tailing it outa there.
It is not a question of if but when. It's the reality of the world we live in now.
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The day that happens, Dubai is finished, now we might disagree and have different opinions, but one thing we agree on is that the longer we stay here the better off we are, or somwhere around that idea.
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That just about the only thing you have said, that makes sense on this thread.
Otherwise just poiltical rants.
Keep politics and religion apart. Mixed they become explosive.
That just about the only thing you have said, that makes sense on this thread.
Otherwise just poiltical rants.
Keep politics and religion apart. Mixed they become explosive.
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The day that happens, Dubai is finished, now we might disagree and have different opinions
Should an attack occur, Dubai will be like any other expat-dominated city or state. Many, particularly expat women and children, will leave - temporarily. Many - probably most, (but granted, not all) - of the men will stay, because they have to earn a living. Recruiting managers will have a bit more trouble finding candidates, but they'll either up the pay rates to attract enough or look for candidates from areas they might not usually look. And for those not personally affected, life will go on, perhaps not quite as pleasantly as before.
Some tourists will stay away, but, unless there are follow up attacks, they'll be back if the prices are right. Look at Egypt if you don't believe that. Let's face it, unless the attack is on a tourist hotel, how many tourits in Dubai would even be aware something had happened?
Someone's said it already - it's probably not to the (what do we called them?) the bomb setters' interests to cause themselves any problems this close to "home". Unless the local status quo changes in some way (always a possibility), I think the professionals will steer clear of making any problems for themselves in Dubai. (I wish I was so confident of the young hot heads worrying about consequences.)
Not wnating to make light of a very serious matter, but have you considered that maybe they've been at it already for some time and nobody's noticed? (I mean terrorising the expats.) Let's face it - Dubai residents face a never ending succession of people hell bent on committing suicide daily on Shk Zayed Road.
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I am interested to see this topic on an aviation forum.
So far the topic as it is all based on how Muslim extremists ultimately will affect the quality of life and security of western expats who live as guests in Muslim countries. It is apparent to me that some (not all) of those posting in this topic have no idea of the Islamic values that make up what is a very peace loving and pious way of life.
The majority of Muslims pray, give charity to the poor every month, live a pure way of life, have firm family values, and importantly don't want to offend or harm anyone. I know many Christians who fail to achieve any of the above.
Having looked at the threads i notice one issue has failed to be mentioned.
On a daily basis the number of Muslims killed by Muslim extremists is increasing alarmingly but all you hear about are the few westerners who are, unfortunately, unlucky enough to fall victim to the few anti west attacks. There was wall to wall coverage of the London bombings and, quite rightly, outcry regarding the attack. However the numerous (over 100) Iraqi Muslims killed (by a Muslim!) during this period received no coverage in the UK. Does this mean the life of a Muslim is less valuable than that of a westerner? Obviously not, but in the west media it is definitely less news worthy.
Please remember that the Muslim extremist is no longer Muslim once he refuses to follow the true teachings of Islam. They are only Muslim in name. E.g. it is a sin for a Muslim to commit suicide so this going to heaven with x amount of virgin’s thing is a myth. A lot of the attacks are carried out by young impressionable people who are misled by extremist groups who are simply criminals using religion to base their rationale. Ask yourself this, what would it take for a so called Muslim to blow himself up to kill other innocent Muslims and what would it achieve?
If the same bomber was to divert his attack to a western target there would be many opinions as to why and what it achieved. This is because westerners perceive that Muslims are out to get them due to various reasons. I remember speaking to a US serviceman in Iraq who views were that Muslims don't like America because the Americans have everything (like in the movies) and the Muslims don't. Believe me the Muslims don't envy the west at all and are happy with what they have got. They see the west as ungodly and are happy to live as they are. I know many Iraqi Muslims living outisde Iraq who are just waiting for the chance to return home even though the qualitiy of life will be less.
Remember this, it is not a Muslim vs west issue. It is a criminal organization vs the world issue.
To all of you, life is a lottery. Whether you get hurt in a bomb attack or hit by a bus, it is all fated. Live a normal life and take everyday as it comes. Also use common sense and you will reduce the chance of witnessing or falling victim to an attack.
If we are continually worried about attacks then it means the terrorist are winning a battle but not necessarily the war. Don't give them anything including wasted space on aviation forums
To everyone of all faiths, stay safe.
So far the topic as it is all based on how Muslim extremists ultimately will affect the quality of life and security of western expats who live as guests in Muslim countries. It is apparent to me that some (not all) of those posting in this topic have no idea of the Islamic values that make up what is a very peace loving and pious way of life.
The majority of Muslims pray, give charity to the poor every month, live a pure way of life, have firm family values, and importantly don't want to offend or harm anyone. I know many Christians who fail to achieve any of the above.
Having looked at the threads i notice one issue has failed to be mentioned.
On a daily basis the number of Muslims killed by Muslim extremists is increasing alarmingly but all you hear about are the few westerners who are, unfortunately, unlucky enough to fall victim to the few anti west attacks. There was wall to wall coverage of the London bombings and, quite rightly, outcry regarding the attack. However the numerous (over 100) Iraqi Muslims killed (by a Muslim!) during this period received no coverage in the UK. Does this mean the life of a Muslim is less valuable than that of a westerner? Obviously not, but in the west media it is definitely less news worthy.
Please remember that the Muslim extremist is no longer Muslim once he refuses to follow the true teachings of Islam. They are only Muslim in name. E.g. it is a sin for a Muslim to commit suicide so this going to heaven with x amount of virgin’s thing is a myth. A lot of the attacks are carried out by young impressionable people who are misled by extremist groups who are simply criminals using religion to base their rationale. Ask yourself this, what would it take for a so called Muslim to blow himself up to kill other innocent Muslims and what would it achieve?
If the same bomber was to divert his attack to a western target there would be many opinions as to why and what it achieved. This is because westerners perceive that Muslims are out to get them due to various reasons. I remember speaking to a US serviceman in Iraq who views were that Muslims don't like America because the Americans have everything (like in the movies) and the Muslims don't. Believe me the Muslims don't envy the west at all and are happy with what they have got. They see the west as ungodly and are happy to live as they are. I know many Iraqi Muslims living outisde Iraq who are just waiting for the chance to return home even though the qualitiy of life will be less.
Remember this, it is not a Muslim vs west issue. It is a criminal organization vs the world issue.
To all of you, life is a lottery. Whether you get hurt in a bomb attack or hit by a bus, it is all fated. Live a normal life and take everyday as it comes. Also use common sense and you will reduce the chance of witnessing or falling victim to an attack.
If we are continually worried about attacks then it means the terrorist are winning a battle but not necessarily the war. Don't give them anything including wasted space on aviation forums
To everyone of all faiths, stay safe.
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DPWN;
Thank you for an enlightening appercu.
I will agree that the issue is about crime vs the world and not Islam vs the west, the latter being a creation to impose a dogma on a western population that is often ill at ease with something they do not know. (This is not criticism of the people, but of those in government posts who regulate media and impose curriculums to suit their own agenda)
Had western media been more pragmatic, we would not have raised any of these issues, because they would have had no reason to exist in the first place. However the contrary has shown that the gap is getting wider and the ignorance is often counterest with unfounded patronising.
Boys, Girls, we are in an industry that depends very much on a non fallible security apparatus, if it were to fail tthe risks that we would be out of a job are immense and would snowball into other regions just as they had for 9-11.
However before we impose a view of who is doing what there is no good or bad, because we are all fighting the same evil and it is not Islam, it is rather crime.
Criminals exist as we know in all walks of life and although we should not mix (I agree with someone else's post above) we need to be in a context in which everyone understands what they are trying to say and not associate names and religions with an adjective that is inadequately placed and the result of an ongoing crusade by western media.
Please do read the link in regards to the research by Prof Roth and you will see clearer what I am trying to say.
Peace to all and keep the thread going it's interesting that we get theis broad and wide scope of culture and beliefs, perhaps some politicians should use this example before making anymore blatant statements about religions and culture. (e.g. the war of cultures, Berlusconi)
Thank you for an enlightening appercu.
I will agree that the issue is about crime vs the world and not Islam vs the west, the latter being a creation to impose a dogma on a western population that is often ill at ease with something they do not know. (This is not criticism of the people, but of those in government posts who regulate media and impose curriculums to suit their own agenda)
Had western media been more pragmatic, we would not have raised any of these issues, because they would have had no reason to exist in the first place. However the contrary has shown that the gap is getting wider and the ignorance is often counterest with unfounded patronising.
Boys, Girls, we are in an industry that depends very much on a non fallible security apparatus, if it were to fail tthe risks that we would be out of a job are immense and would snowball into other regions just as they had for 9-11.
However before we impose a view of who is doing what there is no good or bad, because we are all fighting the same evil and it is not Islam, it is rather crime.
Criminals exist as we know in all walks of life and although we should not mix (I agree with someone else's post above) we need to be in a context in which everyone understands what they are trying to say and not associate names and religions with an adjective that is inadequately placed and the result of an ongoing crusade by western media.
Please do read the link in regards to the research by Prof Roth and you will see clearer what I am trying to say.
Peace to all and keep the thread going it's interesting that we get theis broad and wide scope of culture and beliefs, perhaps some politicians should use this example before making anymore blatant statements about religions and culture. (e.g. the war of cultures, Berlusconi)
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A sensible post DPWN but I think you are wrong in saying that western media ignored the deaths in Iraq that took place at the same time as the London Bombings.
I was in London at the time and I know that the day to day events in Iraq, including the shocking death toll was regularly reported on the BBC and in the broadsheet newspapers.
I also noticed on the many interviews with the UK Muslim leaders that within twenty four hours they were refusing to accept any blame and trying to turn it around and blame it on the UK's foreign policy or anything else they could think of except themselves.
AMX10, you sound very much like a totally brainwashed Iranian I once knew!
I was in London at the time and I know that the day to day events in Iraq, including the shocking death toll was regularly reported on the BBC and in the broadsheet newspapers.
I also noticed on the many interviews with the UK Muslim leaders that within twenty four hours they were refusing to accept any blame and trying to turn it around and blame it on the UK's foreign policy or anything else they could think of except themselves.
AMX10, you sound very much like a totally brainwashed Iranian I once knew!
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Dear Omark44;
Thank you for taking the time to post on our favourite subject.
I do not mean to disappoint you, but I am not related to Ayatollah Assahollah, although I do think, that your association of thoughts could be jeopordised by the sheer eloquence of my posts.
I certainly hope that your brainwashed Iranian friend is doing well and is happy with many friends. Could yyou specify in which direction he was brainwashed, and if it was in the direction of the hair or opposite as this tends to affect the impression he may have left on you and others, and I might know him after all.
We will endeavour however to keep these posts going.
Wahed wahed
Did your Iranian friend look like this?
Thank you for taking the time to post on our favourite subject.
I do not mean to disappoint you, but I am not related to Ayatollah Assahollah, although I do think, that your association of thoughts could be jeopordised by the sheer eloquence of my posts.
I certainly hope that your brainwashed Iranian friend is doing well and is happy with many friends. Could yyou specify in which direction he was brainwashed, and if it was in the direction of the hair or opposite as this tends to affect the impression he may have left on you and others, and I might know him after all.
We will endeavour however to keep these posts going.
Wahed wahed
Did your Iranian friend look like this?
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Islamic websites (but US based!)
I agree with Fuubar, AMX10 that nothing will happen. A terror attack could happen anywhere, London, Madrid, Egypt, it even happened in Qatar. And it is interesting how the British and US government immediatley blame muslims and Al Qaida for everything without first conducting a proper criminal investigation. As there a re many unsolved facts in the London bombing the media still focuses on suicide bombers and the police is free to shoot and kill innocent people in the streets of London.
The posting of the Al Qaida Islamic website points always back to familiar places in England or the USA. Why not Karachi or Tehran?
http://www.sofir.org/sarchives/004190.php#back9
Note the Qalaah name and [email protected] email address which we have previously linked to Al-Fagih via the whois information for the zuair domains.
The following companies are involved in providing services to Mr. Al-Fagih:
United States - web servers:
Everyone's Internet, Houston, TX
Canada - domain name registrar:
Tucows, Inc., Toronto, ON
United Kingdom - domain name registration service:
PIPEX Communications Hosting Ltd (dba 123-reg.co.uk), Nottingham
Germany - email for Al-Fagih:
Lycos Europe GmbH, Gutersloh
The posting of the Al Qaida Islamic website points always back to familiar places in England or the USA. Why not Karachi or Tehran?
http://www.sofir.org/sarchives/004190.php#back9
Note the Qalaah name and [email protected] email address which we have previously linked to Al-Fagih via the whois information for the zuair domains.
The following companies are involved in providing services to Mr. Al-Fagih:
United States - web servers:
Everyone's Internet, Houston, TX
Canada - domain name registrar:
Tucows, Inc., Toronto, ON
United Kingdom - domain name registration service:
PIPEX Communications Hosting Ltd (dba 123-reg.co.uk), Nottingham
Germany - email for Al-Fagih:
Lycos Europe GmbH, Gutersloh
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The Arab/Muslim world sat by and didn't band together to eliminate the biggest killer of Muslims since Tamerlane.....Saddam Hussein. In fact, deposing such a homicidal tyrant now earns one the title of "Nazi" (from those with no sense of irony or grasp of history to know Baathism was patterned in large part on National Socialism). Immediately after the Iraqi army's destruction, the journalistic focus became about how the ease with which it was defeated embarrassed the rest of Arab world. This loss of face in "the Arab street" became more important than a genocidal dictator being removed from power, and the press simply fed that notion.
So it's foolish to think there will be any serious, concentrated attempt from that same quarter to squelch Islmamic fanaticism that kills far fewer Muslims than Saddam, and more Westerners in the course of it's crusade. The insurgency in Iraq as well has more to do with "saving-face" and unchecked macho-stupidity that it does any coherent political aim. "Shoot an American, brag to your friends. Blow yourself up with a street full of Iraqi kids, your friends will say you went to heaven". Assigning deeper motivations or intelligence to such morons is a mistake.
Besides, as a twenty-something male it's far more fun to stay out all night with your friends packing AK's and building bombs than get up early, grab a broom and clean up rubble, or actually go to work.
Apologists such are yourself, AMX10, are more concerned with managing the image of Islam through deflection and whitewashing....asserting we're dealing with nothings more than crime or "criminals".....than idealogical extremists spawned within societal groups obsessed with it's fundamentalism and death, and acting on that obsession.
Listening to you, you'd think that mosques were going up in flames and Muslims hung from every street corner lampost by vigilante groups running wild. If the Western media was the anti-Muslim propoganda machine you'd like everyone to believe it is...controlling everyone's thoughts....then they would be. Last time I checked, that wasn't happening.
And if Guantanamo were a Nazi concentration camp, they would have gassed or machine-gunned everyone held there within the first few days or weeks.
So it's foolish to think there will be any serious, concentrated attempt from that same quarter to squelch Islmamic fanaticism that kills far fewer Muslims than Saddam, and more Westerners in the course of it's crusade. The insurgency in Iraq as well has more to do with "saving-face" and unchecked macho-stupidity that it does any coherent political aim. "Shoot an American, brag to your friends. Blow yourself up with a street full of Iraqi kids, your friends will say you went to heaven". Assigning deeper motivations or intelligence to such morons is a mistake.
Besides, as a twenty-something male it's far more fun to stay out all night with your friends packing AK's and building bombs than get up early, grab a broom and clean up rubble, or actually go to work.
Apologists such are yourself, AMX10, are more concerned with managing the image of Islam through deflection and whitewashing....asserting we're dealing with nothings more than crime or "criminals".....than idealogical extremists spawned within societal groups obsessed with it's fundamentalism and death, and acting on that obsession.
Listening to you, you'd think that mosques were going up in flames and Muslims hung from every street corner lampost by vigilante groups running wild. If the Western media was the anti-Muslim propoganda machine you'd like everyone to believe it is...controlling everyone's thoughts....then they would be. Last time I checked, that wasn't happening.
And if Guantanamo were a Nazi concentration camp, they would have gassed or machine-gunned everyone held there within the first few days or weeks.
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Please remember that the Muslim extremist is no longer Muslim once he refuses to follow the true teachings of Islam. They are only Muslim in name. E.g. it is a sin for a Muslim to commit suicide so this going to heaven with x amount of virgin’s thing is a myth. A lot of the attacks are carried out by young impressionable people who are misled by extremist groups who are simply criminals using religion to base their rationale. Ask yourself this, what would it take for a so called Muslim to blow himself up to kill other innocent Muslims and what would it achieve?
Don't try to deny the fact, I'd rather hear you explain it.
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As an older person who has worked in many countries I think the post of DPWN is well balanced. As someone who has many Muslim friends I agree with his sentiments.
One of the problems is that so many Americans think that terrorism started on 9/11.
Please take a look at the Red Brigade, Red Army Faction, IRA and see some of the terrorist problem that the rest of the world has faced well before 9/11 that was nothing to do with Muslims.
Terrorists are terrorists and as DPWN says they are just criminals exactly the same as the guy that holds up a liquor store for money.
The US thinks that by throwing billions of dollars at the TSA they will contain the problem. Sadly a myth. The US government pays $9 for every air passenger and 5 cents for every transit
( Rail/metro) passenger, so guess where the next target will be.
Lets face it this was an easy target in London.
I watched the CNN woman in London just after the bombings ( Annapour?) saying "the questions that the British Governement will be asked is how could this have happend so soon after the July 7 bombings"
I dont know if she was born stupid or had lessons for her journalism career.
Does she know how many people use the tube in rush hour ?
Should we search everybody ?
Then we have the Civil Liberties Groups in New York going to court over the very idea that people on the transit should be searched to see if they are carring a bomb !!
I see threads on prune saying " don't tell the terrorists the hi jack transponder codes " Give me a break. This is the first mistake to treat these people as stupid !
The guy that is the suicide bomber is not the brains behind this !
On the 9/11 how many people with a few hours on light aircraft could fly an airliner with the precision that those guys did ?
Lets face it, smart as you are could you convince some guy to go and strap a bomb to himself and blow up a bank and let you walk in and take the money I dont think so.
Sadly I dont know what the answer is, I do know that security is a state of mind and not Government decrees.
All one can do is be aware of the dangers and stay vigilant. The rest of it as our Muslim friends say is "inshalllah"
One of the problems is that so many Americans think that terrorism started on 9/11.
Please take a look at the Red Brigade, Red Army Faction, IRA and see some of the terrorist problem that the rest of the world has faced well before 9/11 that was nothing to do with Muslims.
Terrorists are terrorists and as DPWN says they are just criminals exactly the same as the guy that holds up a liquor store for money.
The US thinks that by throwing billions of dollars at the TSA they will contain the problem. Sadly a myth. The US government pays $9 for every air passenger and 5 cents for every transit
( Rail/metro) passenger, so guess where the next target will be.
Lets face it this was an easy target in London.
I watched the CNN woman in London just after the bombings ( Annapour?) saying "the questions that the British Governement will be asked is how could this have happend so soon after the July 7 bombings"
I dont know if she was born stupid or had lessons for her journalism career.
Does she know how many people use the tube in rush hour ?
Should we search everybody ?
Then we have the Civil Liberties Groups in New York going to court over the very idea that people on the transit should be searched to see if they are carring a bomb !!
I see threads on prune saying " don't tell the terrorists the hi jack transponder codes " Give me a break. This is the first mistake to treat these people as stupid !
The guy that is the suicide bomber is not the brains behind this !
On the 9/11 how many people with a few hours on light aircraft could fly an airliner with the precision that those guys did ?
Lets face it, smart as you are could you convince some guy to go and strap a bomb to himself and blow up a bank and let you walk in and take the money I dont think so.
Sadly I dont know what the answer is, I do know that security is a state of mind and not Government decrees.
All one can do is be aware of the dangers and stay vigilant. The rest of it as our Muslim friends say is "inshalllah"
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Funny you should mention the statement made by Amanpour, but you should know that she was brought up in the middle east, Dubai to be exact and I am surprised as well to hear that statement coming out of her mouth, could it be editorial guidelines?
Funny you should mention the statement made by Amanpour, but you should know that she was brought up in the middle east, Dubai to be exact and I am surprised as well to hear that statement coming out of her mouth, could it be editorial guidelines?
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AMF's deep reflection although much appreciated seems to stutter on the same issues raised by this post.
Who are the terrorists?
What does Islam have to do with it?
What is the link?
It does not answer them yet widens the grey area that everyone is trying to avoid.
As to the Iraqi crisis, AMF tries to whitewash US involvement in the crisis again in the names of democracy and freedom, portraying the Arab or Muslim Layman as an ignorant sod with no other satisfaction than seeing Westerners killed.
What he fails to say is that the Americans went into to Iraq to control it, and what they have done is lost control of the whole situation, not to blame the US for today's ills, but the fact that they are out of control in Iraq, does not reassure me one bit.
To add insult to injury, the Americans are now finding every possible excuse to justify their failure, e.g. foreign insurgents, Al qaeda etc...
Now to refresh AMF's mind, I will ask one question:
Why did everyone oppose intervention into IRAQ,
simply because we wanted to avoid the crisis that we are currently living, and Saddam then, contained is better than this situation everyone has to suffer as a consequence.
So it is not the US invasion as such, its the destablisation of the region that is now resulting in bonafide retaliation.
Why bonafide?
Is it because they are American, chrisitan, no but rather because they have invaded, killed and maimed.
Why would an Iraqi not be entitled to his own pride or justice or is that also only the property of the west too.
AMF could not be further from the mark and I do hope that time will certainly give him the chance to reflect on his statements and perhaps join us by enlightening us further rather than dim us with his sarcastic remarks on how Arabs should be.
I quote him below:
Islam does not require me to manage its image mate, its a religion that is Iconless, because it's faith relies on universal science vs. belief.
He ends his post by saying:
We have to date not seen proof of WMDs everyone has determined as the cause to the invasion, and AMF further ties himself in controversy by adding
the link between Saddam and Al qaeda is henceforth established when Bathism and NAZIS are mentionned.
AMF cannot even reason in a short paragraph without contradicting himself
So in his opinion Guantanamo is right.
Get a life mate wake up to reality and stop daydreaming!
We lived with Saddam but at least we knew how close we could get to him and avoided making the mistakes that everyone is making now. Western media is lying do not deny that fact, give me facts that they have given us since the start of this conflict, WMD's where are they?
So stop the BS mate and get on!! Don't think we can be fooled by two smartly placed words, I sincerely recommend a little history 101, before you post anything else.
Who are the terrorists?
What does Islam have to do with it?
What is the link?
It does not answer them yet widens the grey area that everyone is trying to avoid.
As to the Iraqi crisis, AMF tries to whitewash US involvement in the crisis again in the names of democracy and freedom, portraying the Arab or Muslim Layman as an ignorant sod with no other satisfaction than seeing Westerners killed.
What he fails to say is that the Americans went into to Iraq to control it, and what they have done is lost control of the whole situation, not to blame the US for today's ills, but the fact that they are out of control in Iraq, does not reassure me one bit.
To add insult to injury, the Americans are now finding every possible excuse to justify their failure, e.g. foreign insurgents, Al qaeda etc...
Now to refresh AMF's mind, I will ask one question:
Why did everyone oppose intervention into IRAQ,
simply because we wanted to avoid the crisis that we are currently living, and Saddam then, contained is better than this situation everyone has to suffer as a consequence.
So it is not the US invasion as such, its the destablisation of the region that is now resulting in bonafide retaliation.
Why bonafide?
Is it because they are American, chrisitan, no but rather because they have invaded, killed and maimed.
Why would an Iraqi not be entitled to his own pride or justice or is that also only the property of the west too.
AMF could not be further from the mark and I do hope that time will certainly give him the chance to reflect on his statements and perhaps join us by enlightening us further rather than dim us with his sarcastic remarks on how Arabs should be.
I quote him below:
Apologists such are yourself, AMX10, are more concerned with managing the image of Islam through deflection and whitewashing
He ends his post by saying:
If the Western media was the anti-Muslim propoganda machine you'd like everyone to believe it is...controlling everyone's thoughts
from those with no sense of irony or grasp of history to know Baathism was patterned in large part on National Socialism
AMF cannot even reason in a short paragraph without contradicting himself
And if Guantanamo were a Nazi concentration camp, they would have gassed or machine-gunned everyone held there within the first few days or weeks.
Get a life mate wake up to reality and stop daydreaming!
We lived with Saddam but at least we knew how close we could get to him and avoided making the mistakes that everyone is making now. Western media is lying do not deny that fact, give me facts that they have given us since the start of this conflict, WMD's where are they?
So stop the BS mate and get on!! Don't think we can be fooled by two smartly placed words, I sincerely recommend a little history 101, before you post anything else.
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فقد نشر موقع شبكة "بلومبيرغ" Bloomberg الإخباري مقالا حول بيان مجهول المصدر قام بنشره في السقيفة العضو المسمى (البراء المكي) ويهدد فيه دولة الإمارات العربية المتحدة ، ويطلب فيه بطرد غير المسلمين .
ونحن من منطلق توضيح الرؤية للجميع ، وتبيان الحقيقة ، وحتى لا يتحول الأمر إلى زوبعة إعلامية كما تريد له بعض المواقع الإعلامية المغرضة ، نؤكد بكل قوة أننا لا نعرف مصدر هذا البيان وأننا ضد هذه الممارسات والبيانات المغرضة المجهولة ، وأن البيان تم وضعه من مكان دخول أجنبي ، أي أنه من خارج الدول العربية ، ونعتقد بوجود خداع وتضليل ومكر وراء وضع هذا البيان في السقيفة .
This is an extract from the web site, which denies attribution to the clamed news.
Cheers.
http://www.alsakifah.org/vb/index.php
ونحن من منطلق توضيح الرؤية للجميع ، وتبيان الحقيقة ، وحتى لا يتحول الأمر إلى زوبعة إعلامية كما تريد له بعض المواقع الإعلامية المغرضة ، نؤكد بكل قوة أننا لا نعرف مصدر هذا البيان وأننا ضد هذه الممارسات والبيانات المغرضة المجهولة ، وأن البيان تم وضعه من مكان دخول أجنبي ، أي أنه من خارج الدول العربية ، ونعتقد بوجود خداع وتضليل ومكر وراء وضع هذا البيان في السقيفة .
This is an extract from the web site, which denies attribution to the clamed news.
Cheers.
http://www.alsakifah.org/vb/index.php