What sort of Pilots are EK?
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What sort of Pilots are EK?
Hi there. Can anyone enlightening me on what sort of Pilots do Emirates go for and I mean personality wise.
Would like to know how to answer their personality questions during an interview or what specific words and charateristics are they looking for. Any positive info would be good. thanks
Would like to know how to answer their personality questions during an interview or what specific words and charateristics are they looking for. Any positive info would be good. thanks
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This post really needs to go in the bin but it would be really interesting to see where it goes. If it gets out of hand it's going in the bin.
The old advice GTP is just be your self. If you try & BS them that you're something you're not it'll be seen - that's what the process is about.
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The old advice GTP is just be your self. If you try & BS them that you're something you're not it'll be seen - that's what the process is about.
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GTP What a leading question.
White Knight is a regular contributor to pprune and is a F/O in EK and pretty full of himself. Personality wise? Difficult to say in laymans language!!
If you look on "QR Jobs taken now" you will see his typical puerile reply when he disagrees with what someone has written and 4HP had to pull him up to hold him in check.Perhaps the summer heat is already getting to him??
Hopefully he is not a typical EK Pilot and I am sure on the whole the majority are no different to any other group of Pilots and as 4HP said this question should be in the bin really.
PS Sorry White Knight but cannot resist having a go at you as you do rather ask for it!
White Knight is a regular contributor to pprune and is a F/O in EK and pretty full of himself. Personality wise? Difficult to say in laymans language!!
If you look on "QR Jobs taken now" you will see his typical puerile reply when he disagrees with what someone has written and 4HP had to pull him up to hold him in check.Perhaps the summer heat is already getting to him??
Hopefully he is not a typical EK Pilot and I am sure on the whole the majority are no different to any other group of Pilots and as 4HP said this question should be in the bin really.
PS Sorry White Knight but cannot resist having a go at you as you do rather ask for it!
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Hope this one runs the course with some sensible comments Has not got off to a good start.
A FO that I know was accepted by EK selection and was told that he would be put in the pool and when required would be called forward for the interview. Was excited about the prospect that was 2 years ago.
It appear's EK advertise every month for FOs so can one assume that there is a large pool of suitable candidates.
Expanding GTP's question are there many pilots at EK from the sub contintent?
A FO that I know was accepted by EK selection and was told that he would be put in the pool and when required would be called forward for the interview. Was excited about the prospect that was 2 years ago.
It appear's EK advertise every month for FOs so can one assume that there is a large pool of suitable candidates.
Expanding GTP's question are there many pilots at EK from the sub contintent?
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Who cares??? 
Can't see the connection.... 
Anyway they have their own staffing problems at home.
Back to the real question, from what I understand they are looking more to select by a process of elimination. Display the wrong attitude and you're out of the runnning. If you need to ask what is the wrong attitude, then hey what can I tell you. I think you'll be okay.......
The best prep you could do is to rob your son's toy box and start building Lego booze trolleys without touching anything or talking to yourself.
Nothing to do with minority(??)-quotas from "sub"-continents or anywhere else.
Can't see the connection.... Anyway they have their own staffing problems at home.
Back to the real question, from what I understand they are looking more to select by a process of elimination. Display the wrong attitude and you're out of the runnning. If you need to ask what is the wrong attitude, then hey what can I tell you. I think you'll be okay.......
The best prep you could do is to rob your son's toy box and start building Lego booze trolleys without touching anything or talking to yourself.
Nothing to do with minority(??)-quotas from "sub"-continents or anywhere else.
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Thank You Mutley Crew. That is the sort of reply I am looking for.
No bashing please. I am a 737 captain and would like to progress with a F/o position with Ek. To me it is the perfect job so I would like to do what I can now to prepare .
Thanks Again
No bashing please. I am a 737 captain and would like to progress with a F/o position with Ek. To me it is the perfect job so I would like to do what I can now to prepare .
Thanks Again
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GTP,
It is a good question, but I have to stress the advice given by 4HolerPoler. Just be yourself! If you are a square peg, DO NOT try and make yourself into a round one to fit into the "EK Hole". Even if you are successful, you will be miserable when you get here, and then you will post on pprune about how bad EK is when you are partially to blame in the first place by not being yourself. To put it into a very basic form, "EK is looking for kids that can play nice in the sand box with the other kids." Most of the assessment process is seeing if you can get along in the group. Do you act as a leader some of the time and allow others to lead at other times. Can you, in a group setting solve problems. Both individually and as a group. Not only mentally but physical as well. ( the lego practice is a good idea). Some of the tasks have no correct answer, you are being judged on the process.
Also you have to be able to fly. Most of the assessment rides are in the AB 310, but some have been in the 777. You have to be able to pass the interview. Research the questions and know the answers. You had better have a working knowledge of Islam, because you will be asked.
All of this is geared towards the fact that we have hired pilots from over 50 countries, and they have to get along while in the cockpit. Thus, "can you play nice with the other kiddies in the sand box".
And yes, there are many pilots from the sub contintent, as well as from every where else.
Good luck,
330 Man
It is a good question, but I have to stress the advice given by 4HolerPoler. Just be yourself! If you are a square peg, DO NOT try and make yourself into a round one to fit into the "EK Hole". Even if you are successful, you will be miserable when you get here, and then you will post on pprune about how bad EK is when you are partially to blame in the first place by not being yourself. To put it into a very basic form, "EK is looking for kids that can play nice in the sand box with the other kids." Most of the assessment process is seeing if you can get along in the group. Do you act as a leader some of the time and allow others to lead at other times. Can you, in a group setting solve problems. Both individually and as a group. Not only mentally but physical as well. ( the lego practice is a good idea). Some of the tasks have no correct answer, you are being judged on the process.
Also you have to be able to fly. Most of the assessment rides are in the AB 310, but some have been in the 777. You have to be able to pass the interview. Research the questions and know the answers. You had better have a working knowledge of Islam, because you will be asked.
All of this is geared towards the fact that we have hired pilots from over 50 countries, and they have to get along while in the cockpit. Thus, "can you play nice with the other kiddies in the sand box".
And yes, there are many pilots from the sub contintent, as well as from every where else.
Good luck,
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Seaman Staynes,
"will be expected to behave by some Captains ( generally the older ones) like you haven't got any experience at all, do not exude confidence as this will unsettle a lot of Captains who are not sure of their own ability, and with some of the Captains nothing you do will be right so just keep your head down and be the company man. Sounds fun !!!"
Sorry, but I just could not let your last post go by. I have not encountered one Captain that expected me to act as you have described . I am sure that I have more total time than most of the Captains that I have flown with, in fact I had more PIC in jets than one of the Captains I flew with had for total time. Every Captain I have flown with has been nothing short of professional, courtious, and open to listening to my experience, should the need arise. Luckly I know when to be quiet and when to speak up. As you well know a good First Officer knows when to keep his head down and when to stick it up over the railing. Lots and lots of hours with my ass in the seat taught me that. It has nothing to do with being a good company man, but with being a good First Officer. That is after all what you are.
Beer is on me at the Irish Village!
330 Man
"will be expected to behave by some Captains ( generally the older ones) like you haven't got any experience at all, do not exude confidence as this will unsettle a lot of Captains who are not sure of their own ability, and with some of the Captains nothing you do will be right so just keep your head down and be the company man. Sounds fun !!!"
Sorry, but I just could not let your last post go by. I have not encountered one Captain that expected me to act as you have described . I am sure that I have more total time than most of the Captains that I have flown with, in fact I had more PIC in jets than one of the Captains I flew with had for total time. Every Captain I have flown with has been nothing short of professional, courtious, and open to listening to my experience, should the need arise. Luckly I know when to be quiet and when to speak up. As you well know a good First Officer knows when to keep his head down and when to stick it up over the railing. Lots and lots of hours with my ass in the seat taught me that. It has nothing to do with being a good company man, but with being a good First Officer. That is after all what you are.
Beer is on me at the Irish Village!
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One has to understand that EK started around 1985 and has grown very fast since.
Many of the older pilots in EK are there because their own Airlines went bust or they lived in countries that were politically very unstable or simply because they could not find a job anywhere else. There were very few pilots that came out of mayor companies.
The country itself is very young and the local CAA has only recently emerged out of virtually nothing and is going trough a very steep learning curve.
In the beginning EK OPS was run by a couple of Paki’s and Brits and was some kind of gentleman’s flying club. A lot of procedures were reinvented and some obvious legal requirements twisted and misinterpreted because of lack of knowledge.
Hence the Arabs almost blindly believed what was said and they have made some very bad choices in the past, mistakes they have acknowledged and dealt with in their own way of dealing with things.
Friends of friends became instructors and with a bit of money under the table you could get into EK quit easily in the early days.
Only in 1995 did EK start to get organized under Mr. G*** J**** and he introduced the first FOM that was just a compilation of existing piles of notes and practices.
Most of these documents were blindly approved by the understaffed CAA; in fact EK functioned as if they were the CAA themselves.
Recently EK was audited by ICAO and because of this the government has put great effort into getting up to speed.
Today EK is slowly growing into maturity. Most pilots are pretty relaxed, enjoy the standard of living and do not care about how operations are run at all. EK has never invested a lot of money into operations, they like to get it for free hence have underinvested.
SOP’s are what they are, the way the chief wants you to fly the plane, nothing wrong with that at all.
Most illegal practices of the past will have probably disappeared by now, so you shouldn’t have to worry about that anymore.
If you go there with a lot of experience you will want to keep your head very low. If you do have some questions related to the operations, you may want to elect to be very careful you do not push it too far. Let them ask the questions and you will see they will not puch that far.
You may see certain things that they do not see, but will find many colleagues that agree with you so leave it just at that.
Just be nice to everybody and they will like you in other words "Do not rock the boat" the Joburg incident has taken care of that by itself.
Basically a pilot is what he has been taught in the past by his previous airlines.
If you find yourself above the EK standard then that’s nice for you but be careful, even with the best of intentions you may step on some toes without realizing it.
Standards vary throughout the world; at EK they do not accept/see it that way but argue you have a big chip on your shoulder while you are only stating what other Airlines/ CAA’s have educated you.
Many of the older pilots in EK are there because their own Airlines went bust or they lived in countries that were politically very unstable or simply because they could not find a job anywhere else. There were very few pilots that came out of mayor companies.
The country itself is very young and the local CAA has only recently emerged out of virtually nothing and is going trough a very steep learning curve.
In the beginning EK OPS was run by a couple of Paki’s and Brits and was some kind of gentleman’s flying club. A lot of procedures were reinvented and some obvious legal requirements twisted and misinterpreted because of lack of knowledge.
Hence the Arabs almost blindly believed what was said and they have made some very bad choices in the past, mistakes they have acknowledged and dealt with in their own way of dealing with things.
Friends of friends became instructors and with a bit of money under the table you could get into EK quit easily in the early days.
Only in 1995 did EK start to get organized under Mr. G*** J**** and he introduced the first FOM that was just a compilation of existing piles of notes and practices.
Most of these documents were blindly approved by the understaffed CAA; in fact EK functioned as if they were the CAA themselves.
Recently EK was audited by ICAO and because of this the government has put great effort into getting up to speed.
Today EK is slowly growing into maturity. Most pilots are pretty relaxed, enjoy the standard of living and do not care about how operations are run at all. EK has never invested a lot of money into operations, they like to get it for free hence have underinvested.
SOP’s are what they are, the way the chief wants you to fly the plane, nothing wrong with that at all.
Most illegal practices of the past will have probably disappeared by now, so you shouldn’t have to worry about that anymore.
If you go there with a lot of experience you will want to keep your head very low. If you do have some questions related to the operations, you may want to elect to be very careful you do not push it too far. Let them ask the questions and you will see they will not puch that far.
You may see certain things that they do not see, but will find many colleagues that agree with you so leave it just at that.
Just be nice to everybody and they will like you in other words "Do not rock the boat" the Joburg incident has taken care of that by itself.
Basically a pilot is what he has been taught in the past by his previous airlines.
If you find yourself above the EK standard then that’s nice for you but be careful, even with the best of intentions you may step on some toes without realizing it.
Standards vary throughout the world; at EK they do not accept/see it that way but argue you have a big chip on your shoulder while you are only stating what other Airlines/ CAA’s have educated you.
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A post full of accusations and slurs with no real evidence for anything you say or insinuate.
"..............and with a bit of money under the table you could get into EK quit easily in the early days........."
Is this how you got your job with EK?? Now that WOULD explain alot
A post full of accusations and slurs with no real evidence for anything you say or insinuate.
"..............and with a bit of money under the table you could get into EK quit easily in the early days........."
Is this how you got your job with EK?? Now that WOULD explain alot
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HI GTP
On the first day you join up in a group of 4 and get to know everyone. they introduce themselves and tell you how the object is not only for them to see you bu for you to see them as well, see how you like the outfit.first day you set around a big table with two captains asseses you and the group!!couple of team exercises which takes all morning.day two you visit the EK clinic and apartments. when you finish guided tour your taken back to sinm building and take 50 question multiple choise test.good advise to read on EK fleet and engines,basic knowledge of wx,technical,aerodynamics etc. Sim rid visual circut to land,V1 cut,sigle engine app and g/a.psychometric test on day three about 100 question multiple choice,than interview, tell us about yourself and your career! the interview lasts about 45min. I have heard of guys failing their sim and tech guiz and have been employed!you should be the sort of person the interviewer would enjoy spending three days in Singapore with!!
GOOD LUCK
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On the first day you join up in a group of 4 and get to know everyone. they introduce themselves and tell you how the object is not only for them to see you bu for you to see them as well, see how you like the outfit.first day you set around a big table with two captains asseses you and the group!!couple of team exercises which takes all morning.day two you visit the EK clinic and apartments. when you finish guided tour your taken back to sinm building and take 50 question multiple choise test.good advise to read on EK fleet and engines,basic knowledge of wx,technical,aerodynamics etc. Sim rid visual circut to land,V1 cut,sigle engine app and g/a.psychometric test on day three about 100 question multiple choice,than interview, tell us about yourself and your career! the interview lasts about 45min. I have heard of guys failing their sim and tech guiz and have been employed!you should be the sort of person the interviewer would enjoy spending three days in Singapore with!!
GOOD LUCK
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I have heard of guys failing their sim and tech guiz and have been employed!you should be the sort of person the interviewer would enjoy spending three days in Singapore with!!
Having said so, this also means that on every PPC you will take, objectivity might be compromised.
I think it happens to be that those who have good skills and leadership qualities are usually not those that are nice to everybody.
