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HI EVERYBODY!! JUST WRITING FOR INFO WITH REGARDS TO QATAR AIRWAYS, AS IN WHAT ITS LIKE TO LIVE AND WORK THERE.
THINKING OF SENDING THE CV BUT DONT HAVE MUCH BACKGROUND INFO!!!
THANKS FOR YOUR HELP!!!
THINKING OF SENDING THE CV BUT DONT HAVE MUCH BACKGROUND INFO!!!
THANKS FOR YOUR HELP!!!
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Hey Allan, its quite evident from the posts on this forum that there are alot of unhappy campers in Doha. Is there anything in particular that is drawing you to Qatar?
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Allan,
This is not a good place to get a true feel for what Qatar Airways is like and what Doha is like to live in but I will try to see if I can give you a quick insight of what I have heard and seen from people working there.
Mixed emotions in Doha are plentyful and on this forum you will see that the negative out-weights the possitive so you will always get a tainted picture of Qatar Airways and Doha. As a matter of fact this is true on any chat session about any place of work as the disgruntel people write in and complain about EVERYTHING.
Doha form what i know is nice, and if you are a family person and bring your family with you to the State Of Qatar it is easier than if you are there alone. Many nice people from all sorts of cultures and flying back grounds there and you can make it a nice place to live and work if you want to or you can sit in your home and complain, its your choice.
There is the Dessert, Bar-b-que by the ocean, few night spots only in hotels, many choices of food to eat, ADSL fast internet if you want to be home, you can have a alcohol drink in the hotels and if you get a liquor permit you can buy booze and have in your home for those all night parties and bar-b-ques if you want. Only one place sells the Alcohol but there are plans to open more shops soon (soon could be ?????) a 4x4 vehicle or boat are good idea to get if you go there to live as the dessert or the ocean are the only two place to get away from Doha for a quick day out trip to relax. you could go to Dubai or Bahrain also but that means going on an airplane again.
Depending on what aircraft you are hired on and what seat you are in will kind of determine how hard you work and what kind of time off you get and where you go. Depending on how long you have been in Aviation you will also know that this will change as time goes on, you might join on a hard working fleet now but next year that fleet might be the easy fleet, you get my drift right? I am not sure what background you have but the work here seems to keep you on the road out of Doha a good bit anyway.
All in all, a job and a place are what you make of it so if you decide to go to Qatar and join the airline go with your eyes and ears open and see if that is for you. one key factor is to NOT keep comparing it to your old airline or your old home, you will always find things you don't like about a job and a place but comparing it to home and other places you have lived, IT WILL NEVER BE THE SAME.
Good luck and if you go, ENJOY IT!!!
This is not a good place to get a true feel for what Qatar Airways is like and what Doha is like to live in but I will try to see if I can give you a quick insight of what I have heard and seen from people working there.
Mixed emotions in Doha are plentyful and on this forum you will see that the negative out-weights the possitive so you will always get a tainted picture of Qatar Airways and Doha. As a matter of fact this is true on any chat session about any place of work as the disgruntel people write in and complain about EVERYTHING.
Doha form what i know is nice, and if you are a family person and bring your family with you to the State Of Qatar it is easier than if you are there alone. Many nice people from all sorts of cultures and flying back grounds there and you can make it a nice place to live and work if you want to or you can sit in your home and complain, its your choice.
There is the Dessert, Bar-b-que by the ocean, few night spots only in hotels, many choices of food to eat, ADSL fast internet if you want to be home, you can have a alcohol drink in the hotels and if you get a liquor permit you can buy booze and have in your home for those all night parties and bar-b-ques if you want. Only one place sells the Alcohol but there are plans to open more shops soon (soon could be ?????) a 4x4 vehicle or boat are good idea to get if you go there to live as the dessert or the ocean are the only two place to get away from Doha for a quick day out trip to relax. you could go to Dubai or Bahrain also but that means going on an airplane again.
Depending on what aircraft you are hired on and what seat you are in will kind of determine how hard you work and what kind of time off you get and where you go. Depending on how long you have been in Aviation you will also know that this will change as time goes on, you might join on a hard working fleet now but next year that fleet might be the easy fleet, you get my drift right? I am not sure what background you have but the work here seems to keep you on the road out of Doha a good bit anyway.
All in all, a job and a place are what you make of it so if you decide to go to Qatar and join the airline go with your eyes and ears open and see if that is for you. one key factor is to NOT keep comparing it to your old airline or your old home, you will always find things you don't like about a job and a place but comparing it to home and other places you have lived, IT WILL NEVER BE THE SAME.
Good luck and if you go, ENJOY IT!!!
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Thanks alot Guys!!!
Yeah I know its a silly place to ask these king of questions but you dont run into Qatar pilots every day in OZ.
I've lived as an expat before so I'd never go to a place like Doha with a closed mind. The two reasons I'd go are for money and adventure. I'd like to base up there close to Europe and explore around for a while, I'm also looking at other companies up that way.
Just for your info, I'd be looking at an FO slot, I have 5000 total time and 1000 jet.
Any other replies would be appreciated.
Cheers
Yeah I know its a silly place to ask these king of questions but you dont run into Qatar pilots every day in OZ.
I've lived as an expat before so I'd never go to a place like Doha with a closed mind. The two reasons I'd go are for money and adventure. I'd like to base up there close to Europe and explore around for a while, I'm also looking at other companies up that way.
Just for your info, I'd be looking at an FO slot, I have 5000 total time and 1000 jet.
Any other replies would be appreciated.
Cheers
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A good summary
Hajjman, an excellent summary of what its like to live there. Very useful round up how things are going in doha and Qatari. One more thing just for the info, its not that bad in doha or the airline really. Everyone's perspective is really dependant on how bad or good your other alternatives are. I mean as far as doha is concerned, its no dubai, yet, but its getting on the fast lane I can assure you about that. And before people get on my case, Im not workig for Qatari, but this is what I think, this company will be one of the top in the middle east before very long. About the mispleased people that are fussing and cursing all the time: " Why dont you go ahead and leave and go work for continental or emairtes?". See what I mean about your alternatives?? Good luck guys.
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Thanks for the non bias summary of Doha, sounds like a great place to live and work, afterall the airline is ranked #5 best so that has to mean something right? I talked to a Canadian who came back to visit Canada and he said the money was good and he was happy to be there, so I say go for it!
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yeah right
e320 u are totally right,right about people leaving QR that is,u see thats why Qatar Airways are soooo short of crew,they are told "if u don't like it then LEAVE"which is what the majority of crew do,and most of them end up in Dubai where they are happy little campers.The choice is yours but from talking to lots of crew and the postings on this fine website its not a very happy place to be unless u like playing golf on the sand??????Best of luck.
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...not to mention you need an exit-visa EVERY time you wish to travel anywhere from Doha on days off...no easy escape. Doha is not a very fun place for many to live in. Just do a search here and see the opinions from many many others.
FYI, Gulf Air is hiring, too - Bahrain & Abu Dhabi based. Multiple-Exit-Visa's are a non-issue.
Best of luck.
~Ray Darr
FYI, Gulf Air is hiring, too - Bahrain & Abu Dhabi based. Multiple-Exit-Visa's are a non-issue.
Best of luck.
~Ray Darr
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Ray Darr,
I can only speak from the flight deck portion of the EXIT VISA issue, i have not heard how it is for any other department ( F/a, engineering, ground staff, ) but if you are speaking of the flight deck, you are incorrect on the Visa. Actually you are only half correct and that is, you do need an exit visa to leave everytime but you can purchase a MULTIPLE VISA so that you can leave anytime you want to go.
I am not sure if this procedure has changed but as of a few months ago you could buy this permit, which took two days to be in your hand and was valid for a period of 1 year to go in and out as you pleased. If you don't buy this permit then you are correct, you need an exit visa but this procedure is for every ex-pat working in the State of Qatar. Qatar Airways have made it easier for the flight deck crew to come and go at a moments notice if they want by getting the approval to have this MULTIPLE EXIT VISA for cockpit crews.
I can only speak from the flight deck portion of the EXIT VISA issue, i have not heard how it is for any other department ( F/a, engineering, ground staff, ) but if you are speaking of the flight deck, you are incorrect on the Visa. Actually you are only half correct and that is, you do need an exit visa to leave everytime but you can purchase a MULTIPLE VISA so that you can leave anytime you want to go.
I am not sure if this procedure has changed but as of a few months ago you could buy this permit, which took two days to be in your hand and was valid for a period of 1 year to go in and out as you pleased. If you don't buy this permit then you are correct, you need an exit visa but this procedure is for every ex-pat working in the State of Qatar. Qatar Airways have made it easier for the flight deck crew to come and go at a moments notice if they want by getting the approval to have this MULTIPLE EXIT VISA for cockpit crews.
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To Hajj...keefalik? 
Thanks for the clarification. As you said, this is a recent change regarding the exit visa. Of course, having to pay for what should be looked after by your company is another issue. Regardless, it was good to be at least half-right for a change!
IMHO, there are so many other factors of life at QF that make it an easy choice NOT to work there. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, but I have personally met far too many people leaving Doha - each with a great relief of moving on to anything elsewhere - that it makes you feel bad for those remaining (or those who would consider joining QR).
There are likely many people satisfied working there, but there also may be much more dis-satisfied. That, of course, is just a guess, and I am only mentioning what I have seen myself regarding dis-satisfaction at QR. I commend you for sharing what life in Qatar is like, Hajj. It may help some who wish to join there, and as you said they must go with "eyes wide open". Best of luck to you, Hajj, by the way.
The rumour is that Gulf Air is hiring, and as I stated before, there is NO exit-visa issues whatsoever to worry over if you work at GF. You do NOT have to pay for any visa you need, and can come and go as you please.
GF also will be hiring non-type-rated pilots as of August.
Cheers,
Ray Darr
(edited to correct my boo-boo of airline code mixup-itis)
Thanks for the clarification. As you said, this is a recent change regarding the exit visa. Of course, having to pay for what should be looked after by your company is another issue. Regardless, it was good to be at least half-right for a change!IMHO, there are so many other factors of life at QF that make it an easy choice NOT to work there. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, but I have personally met far too many people leaving Doha - each with a great relief of moving on to anything elsewhere - that it makes you feel bad for those remaining (or those who would consider joining QR).
There are likely many people satisfied working there, but there also may be much more dis-satisfied. That, of course, is just a guess, and I am only mentioning what I have seen myself regarding dis-satisfaction at QR. I commend you for sharing what life in Qatar is like, Hajj. It may help some who wish to join there, and as you said they must go with "eyes wide open". Best of luck to you, Hajj, by the way.
The rumour is that Gulf Air is hiring, and as I stated before, there is NO exit-visa issues whatsoever to worry over if you work at GF. You do NOT have to pay for any visa you need, and can come and go as you please.
GF also will be hiring non-type-rated pilots as of August.
Cheers,
Ray Darr
(edited to correct my boo-boo of airline code mixup-itis)
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Ray,
You're absolutely right re having to pay to leave a country being crap. Over 130 USD just for the privilege of going on leave or to have a short holiday somewhere and you have to pay this each year!
However, the policy belongs to the country, not the airline. Where the airline is wrong is that they do not extend the "privilege" of assisting pilots to acquire this Multiple Exit Permit to the rest of the staff. Cabin Crew, for example, must apply for a visa each and every time they wish to leave Qatar!
"Control" is the name of the game for Qatar Airway management.
And 'QF' is Qantas. Qatar Airways is 'QR'.
You're absolutely right re having to pay to leave a country being crap. Over 130 USD just for the privilege of going on leave or to have a short holiday somewhere and you have to pay this each year!
However, the policy belongs to the country, not the airline. Where the airline is wrong is that they do not extend the "privilege" of assisting pilots to acquire this Multiple Exit Permit to the rest of the staff. Cabin Crew, for example, must apply for a visa each and every time they wish to leave Qatar!
"Control" is the name of the game for Qatar Airway management.
And 'QF' is Qantas. Qatar Airways is 'QR'.
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just to clarify...
i am qr crew and i nver heard that we have to get visas every time on way in and out....
please do some homework...
i have a visa, got one and will last for 2 years , never again until that time do i have to renew, and the renewal is not up to me it is up to welfare dept....you were wrong on that particular fact.
thanks
i am qr crew and i nver heard that we have to get visas every time on way in and out....
please do some homework...
i have a visa, got one and will last for 2 years , never again until that time do i have to renew, and the renewal is not up to me it is up to welfare dept....you were wrong on that particular fact.
thanks
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Dear All,
I am in Dubai now and just finished the interview and it was a success.
First day interview with technical tests and personnal talk.Second day sim at EK A300.one visual circuit and and one V1 cut at RVR 750m and land 1 eng inop ILS.All manual flt.
Half of the interview is technical but general ATPL questions.
Written test:
1. ICAO Holding Speed Tble
2. Why we use derate-thrust,
3. Explain Dutch-roll,
4. What makes a good CPT,
5. What makes a good F/O.
6. What would you do if the cpt does not react to the SINK RATE at low level on ILS in IMC?
and so on.
Great instructor persons from the A300 fleet an argentinian and an india.
And yes,it is true you have to resign from your current employer to join QR.Unpaid leave is not accepted by QR.
As I have to resign,I HAVE A QUESTION TO THOSE ARE LIVING IN THE MIDDLE EAST:
Do you think this crisis in the Mid east can has any affect to the other gulf emirates?
i mean,will the US satisfied with Iraq or it is only the first step?
It is the first time for me being in Gulf and I see a very well functioning counrty (Dubai),safe,cheaper than my home country,smiling people and so high lifestyle.
I would be very disapointed if this would be destroyed because these countries dont want to follow the U.S. way or they dont obey to give the controll over the oil.
So once again,is there any chance to provoke a conflict in these countries? (That we know is not so difficult
)
If you have time please reply either by PM or here.
I am in Dubai now and just finished the interview and it was a success.
First day interview with technical tests and personnal talk.Second day sim at EK A300.one visual circuit and and one V1 cut at RVR 750m and land 1 eng inop ILS.All manual flt.
Half of the interview is technical but general ATPL questions.
Written test:
1. ICAO Holding Speed Tble
2. Why we use derate-thrust,
3. Explain Dutch-roll,
4. What makes a good CPT,
5. What makes a good F/O.
6. What would you do if the cpt does not react to the SINK RATE at low level on ILS in IMC?
and so on.
Great instructor persons from the A300 fleet an argentinian and an india.
And yes,it is true you have to resign from your current employer to join QR.Unpaid leave is not accepted by QR.
As I have to resign,I HAVE A QUESTION TO THOSE ARE LIVING IN THE MIDDLE EAST:
Do you think this crisis in the Mid east can has any affect to the other gulf emirates?
i mean,will the US satisfied with Iraq or it is only the first step?
It is the first time for me being in Gulf and I see a very well functioning counrty (Dubai),safe,cheaper than my home country,smiling people and so high lifestyle.
I would be very disapointed if this would be destroyed because these countries dont want to follow the U.S. way or they dont obey to give the controll over the oil.
So once again,is there any chance to provoke a conflict in these countries? (That we know is not so difficult
)If you have time please reply either by PM or here.
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FCOLOVER22,
I am not sure you were understanding the VISA/Permit conversation and also not sure to whom you were saying to go do your homework?
The "VISA" to work in the "State Of Qatar" is good for 2 years (or however long they decide to give you.) and this is for you to go to work and perform your job on the aircraft as a crew member leaving the country from time to time on lay-overs and daily flights.
The "EXIT PERMIT" is what you need to have if you want to leave "The State Of Qatar" on your own personel time (Days off) to go on Vacation,see your family and friends around the world, or short holidays, few day trips to Dubai for shopping, ect ect ect.
If you go to Dubai, France, or any country on "COMPANY BUSINESS" i.e training, check-ride, positioning to operate a crew, picking up new aircraft for delivery will be as "Company Travel" and you will not need to use or apply for a "EXIT PERMIT" as you are leaving and will return on company business.
So the homework is complete now, may I go outside and play?
Just kidding, it is good to ask these questions and get the clarification correct so that others who read this thread will know and understand that living and working in the gulf region is not as bad as people make it out to be.
Safe flying.
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Deske,
Keefalik? How are you?
You asked these questions about the gulf region, USA and the control of the Oil,
Crisis in the Middle East, USA satisfied with Iraq.?????????
These are questions that cannot be answered or you are just looking for many different answers both good and bad for people with many different ways of looking at this.
NOBODY knows what is around the corner in the Gulf or in the world for that matter as to any of your questions.
As a matter of fact, NOBODY knows which is a good Airline, counrty to live in, wife to marry, place to live, car to drive, You get my drift.
Life will deal some people a good career that they will be in until the ripe old age of retirement and some people will have to go through many failed airlines and live in different parts of the world moving every so many years until the age of retirement. you got to just go with the flow.
You can project (look into the future) and maybe have a little bit of foresight as to what plans are being made for different countries,airlines and other things in life and try to make a decession for you and your family at that time with what you know and may feel will happen, but one change (little or big) in a government or leader of a country or the CEO or manegment of an airline change ........................ all bets are off my friend from that day onward you are now looking at a new playing field and it might be better or worse. but this is how it goes. One day you are sitting at the top of the pile and then one day you are at the bottom. roll with the punches my friend.
Sorry no time for spell check this time so please no abuse. Thanks.
Hajj Man.
I am not sure you were understanding the VISA/Permit conversation and also not sure to whom you were saying to go do your homework?
The "VISA" to work in the "State Of Qatar" is good for 2 years (or however long they decide to give you.) and this is for you to go to work and perform your job on the aircraft as a crew member leaving the country from time to time on lay-overs and daily flights.
The "EXIT PERMIT" is what you need to have if you want to leave "The State Of Qatar" on your own personel time (Days off) to go on Vacation,see your family and friends around the world, or short holidays, few day trips to Dubai for shopping, ect ect ect.
If you go to Dubai, France, or any country on "COMPANY BUSINESS" i.e training, check-ride, positioning to operate a crew, picking up new aircraft for delivery will be as "Company Travel" and you will not need to use or apply for a "EXIT PERMIT" as you are leaving and will return on company business.
So the homework is complete now, may I go outside and play?
Just kidding, it is good to ask these questions and get the clarification correct so that others who read this thread will know and understand that living and working in the gulf region is not as bad as people make it out to be.
Safe flying.
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Deske,
Keefalik? How are you?
You asked these questions about the gulf region, USA and the control of the Oil,
Crisis in the Middle East, USA satisfied with Iraq.?????????
These are questions that cannot be answered or you are just looking for many different answers both good and bad for people with many different ways of looking at this.
NOBODY knows what is around the corner in the Gulf or in the world for that matter as to any of your questions.
As a matter of fact, NOBODY knows which is a good Airline, counrty to live in, wife to marry, place to live, car to drive, You get my drift.
Life will deal some people a good career that they will be in until the ripe old age of retirement and some people will have to go through many failed airlines and live in different parts of the world moving every so many years until the age of retirement. you got to just go with the flow.
You can project (look into the future) and maybe have a little bit of foresight as to what plans are being made for different countries,airlines and other things in life and try to make a decession for you and your family at that time with what you know and may feel will happen, but one change (little or big) in a government or leader of a country or the CEO or manegment of an airline change ........................ all bets are off my friend from that day onward you are now looking at a new playing field and it might be better or worse. but this is how it goes. One day you are sitting at the top of the pile and then one day you are at the bottom. roll with the punches my friend.
Sorry no time for spell check this time so please no abuse. Thanks.
Hajj Man.
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to all of You!I have received so many PMs,but sorry not have enough time to reply them.
For those who will go to interview is a good idea to study the Introduction Chapter from the Jeppesen Route Manual,it covers the 60 percent of the written test.
Belive me it is very usefull,I was working as Flight Dispatch Officer for 2 years.
As I have seen they dont have standard questions for all of the interviews.
I have read a lot of complaints about QR on pprune.
Is it really so bad for pilots or are the complains coming from F/As?
How often can you visit your home country in Europe?
