Gulf Air - BD 700 increase for some?
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Gulf Air - BD 700 increase for some?
Heard that an AUH based GF / GT pilot who is now leaving us, was receiving an additional 700 BD per month. I believe he was on a Direct Personnel contract.
Is this true?
Is this true?
and your point is?
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Ironbutt,
Assuming that the above is true, my point is that bringing in a new guy and paying him more is not a very motivating human resource strategy. In one of your earlier posts you said something to the effect of ‘if you don’t like it, use your feet’ – well, it seems like many are!
Assuming that the above is true, my point is that bringing in a new guy and paying him more is not a very motivating human resource strategy. In one of your earlier posts you said something to the effect of ‘if you don’t like it, use your feet’ – well, it seems like many are!
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It's a bit of a vicious cycle, people leave, GF are forced to hire contractors which usually do come in at a higher bidding, then more people get upset and leave..what to do? The mgment have addressed the issue, and increases are on the way, some effective 30 april, some more over time..hopefully this will stabilize the outflow of crews..some will leave regardless...meanwhile enjoy the overtime
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We've just recently recieved a memo regarding improved pay conditions for pilots.Not a huge increase but a good start since we still aren't out of the red yet.Things are starting to look up.
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Mogley it's funny how you don't mention what other benefits and increased pay you've received lately since you're a local. I see you jump to mention about other peoples pay increases but is it not time to mention that as a local you've received more that anyone else?
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No mate in 15 years you'll get a nice retirement from GOSI (if not much sooner with what the VPO gave you) I'll get ef all. But I don't hear myself complaining on this forum.
If you want to argue your pay that's absolutely fine but don't use other peoples salary in the company as your negotiating tactic. Thats both cheap and not professional.
If you want to argue your pay that's absolutely fine but don't use other peoples salary in the company as your negotiating tactic. Thats both cheap and not professional.
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Hello chaps,
Can I have your honest opinion? I've just been offered what I interpret as a permanent position with GF/GT on the 767 in AUH. Is it worth leaving everything back home behind, pack the bags and head off down to the sandpit?
Can I have your honest opinion? I've just been offered what I interpret as a permanent position with GF/GT on the 767 in AUH. Is it worth leaving everything back home behind, pack the bags and head off down to the sandpit?
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Brenoch..as you may well know, there are pitfalls to any career move.. without knowing your present status it's a difficult question you pose, but unlike the "shining star" up the coast from here GF do NOT require you to resign seniority, the airline is rebuilding in a serious fashion, the staff you will deal with are all friendly and as helpful as possible, the 767's are as well maintained as ones at major US airlines..according to several major airline pilots from the US on furlough we have here, and these fellows are quite content and happy to be here for whatever duration that fate allows them...I for one am enjoying the opportunity to work here, and anybody with any modicum of positive thinking ability will surely enjoy their "tour of duty" here whether it be permanent, or temporary..the ability to purchase your home/flat and recoup your money if you decide to leave is a definate plus that most expat overseas contract opportunities do not offer, and for capt's the housing allowance covers at minimum 75% of any mortgage payment within reason... 
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You have not really answered the question Brenoch asked as he would be quitting his job permanently which is different to a Pilot who is on furlough who has the luxury of returning to his old job.
Obviously we don't know what job Brenoch is giving up to consider Gulf Traveller.
You it would appear are from GF Mainline who has moved with your seniority intact and with Service increments and salary ,whereas Brenoch would have to join at the bottom rung of the ladder.??
Is he aware of the route structure of GT which is to most of the "ar***oles places in the region?
It is nice to hear that the B767,s are well maintained but is a minor consideration for a career move.
With Etihad starting up with all the money behind it perhaps the future of GT is not that secure, also the B767 is getting a bit long in the tooth and if I were Brenoch I would try and get a job with EK in preference if he is qualified to do so.
Royal Brunei Captains are leaving to join EK as DEC's which gives a new type A330/340. I doubt if any would consider GT in preference to EK.
I would say the Jury is still out on Gulf Traveller
You have not really answered the question Brenoch asked as he would be quitting his job permanently which is different to a Pilot who is on furlough who has the luxury of returning to his old job.
Obviously we don't know what job Brenoch is giving up to consider Gulf Traveller.
You it would appear are from GF Mainline who has moved with your seniority intact and with Service increments and salary ,whereas Brenoch would have to join at the bottom rung of the ladder.??
Is he aware of the route structure of GT which is to most of the "ar***oles places in the region?
It is nice to hear that the B767,s are well maintained but is a minor consideration for a career move.
With Etihad starting up with all the money behind it perhaps the future of GT is not that secure, also the B767 is getting a bit long in the tooth and if I were Brenoch I would try and get a job with EK in preference if he is qualified to do so.
Royal Brunei Captains are leaving to join EK as DEC's which gives a new type A330/340. I doubt if any would consider GT in preference to EK.
I would say the Jury is still out on Gulf Traveller
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Yes the gypsy...as we all this day and age..the jury is still out as I mentioned it would be until all the evidence is weighed, and it seems all the evidence has not been presented here..need i file a discovery motion? Cant provide a ruling/opinion until all the facts pertaining to the case are presented to the court....
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Brenoch
I assume you are a Captain. If not then avoid joining any expat Airline as an F/O as Upgrades are not always available.
If you have years of service behind you in the UK IT Airline business and you are financially secure then I guess you just fancy a change to flogging up and down to the Canaries and Greek Islands night after night?? In which case night flights to Dhaka,Karachi ,Lahore, Jeddah etc etc will make you feel at home!!
If you have children of School age then you need to look into matters very carefully. Others who know AUH may be able to help.
Personally I would not give up a half decent job to join Gulf Traveller. OK for those unemployed or on furlough.
I assume you are a Captain. If not then avoid joining any expat Airline as an F/O as Upgrades are not always available.
If you have years of service behind you in the UK IT Airline business and you are financially secure then I guess you just fancy a change to flogging up and down to the Canaries and Greek Islands night after night?? In which case night flights to Dhaka,Karachi ,Lahore, Jeddah etc etc will make you feel at home!!
If you have children of School age then you need to look into matters very carefully. Others who know AUH may be able to help.
Personally I would not give up a half decent job to join Gulf Traveller. OK for those unemployed or on furlough.
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Gypsy, Ironbutt..
Thanks for your replies. Have to do some serious thinking about this. Still not entirely convinved that GT has such a bright future as the managers at the interview would have you believe.
Thanks for your replies. Have to do some serious thinking about this. Still not entirely convinved that GT has such a bright future as the managers at the interview would have you believe.
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GF can be good or bad depending on what position you give up to come here. For instance, if you are a milkman then stay where you are. (Just joking – that one was for Ironbutt)
Obviously any advice you receive positive or negative is based on opinion and so is going to vary from advisor to advisor. Here is my opinion:
Currently the airline is under tremendous pressure to change in order to compete with other airlines within the area, many of which have unlimited funds. Unfortunately, there is a lot of resistance to change in many departments from people who have been doing the same jobs for years. If you’re a Captain it might be an interesting move for a while. However, if you’re an FO I’m not sure it’s the right place for career advancement, at least for the foreseeable future.
It’s not a bad place to work, obviously many areas that could be improved but that’s every airline. It’s a friendly airline and has a great bunch of people to fly with. Most of the 767 destinations are not very nice ….okay, maybe that’s a bit generous… one of the destinations is bearable. Roster very erratic but we have been told it will settle down!
I believe many are still living in the hotels in Auh. A number have moved to Dubai/Jebel Ali as the accommodation is much more affordable. I understand it’s very difficult, if not impossible, to find accommodation of a adequate standard in Auh that is within the company allowance. Butt is right in that many are buying flats / villas which makes it a much better place to be financially, in comparison to Bahrain.
If you have kids, schooling is another major consideration and another reason to move to Dubai/Jebal Ali but it is very hard to find places in the decent schools and if you do then it won’t come cheap: GF pay just over 25% of our schooling costs.
GT is an unknown quantity and as of yet nobody knows what the future will hold so be careful when making your decision. Personally, I enjoy the life style out here and it suits me for now.
I think that gypsy has made some very good points.
Happy decision making.
Obviously any advice you receive positive or negative is based on opinion and so is going to vary from advisor to advisor. Here is my opinion:
Currently the airline is under tremendous pressure to change in order to compete with other airlines within the area, many of which have unlimited funds. Unfortunately, there is a lot of resistance to change in many departments from people who have been doing the same jobs for years. If you’re a Captain it might be an interesting move for a while. However, if you’re an FO I’m not sure it’s the right place for career advancement, at least for the foreseeable future.
It’s not a bad place to work, obviously many areas that could be improved but that’s every airline. It’s a friendly airline and has a great bunch of people to fly with. Most of the 767 destinations are not very nice ….okay, maybe that’s a bit generous… one of the destinations is bearable. Roster very erratic but we have been told it will settle down!
I believe many are still living in the hotels in Auh. A number have moved to Dubai/Jebel Ali as the accommodation is much more affordable. I understand it’s very difficult, if not impossible, to find accommodation of a adequate standard in Auh that is within the company allowance. Butt is right in that many are buying flats / villas which makes it a much better place to be financially, in comparison to Bahrain.
If you have kids, schooling is another major consideration and another reason to move to Dubai/Jebal Ali but it is very hard to find places in the decent schools and if you do then it won’t come cheap: GF pay just over 25% of our schooling costs.
GT is an unknown quantity and as of yet nobody knows what the future will hold so be careful when making your decision. Personally, I enjoy the life style out here and it suits me for now.
I think that gypsy has made some very good points.
Happy decision making.
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You all can say what you like. But I don’t think any of you bitching lot can find a company that is in red, yet giving pay rise and bonus. I personally thank you and salute you Mr. Hogan (CEO), Capt. H. Ali (VPO) and all the others that made it possible.
I am waiting in anticipation of what World The Trade Organization (unfair competition) will be doing to Airlines like Emirates, Qatar Airways & Etihad.
I am waiting in anticipation of what World The Trade Organization (unfair competition) will be doing to Airlines like Emirates, Qatar Airways & Etihad.