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Old 10th Apr 2007, 12:35
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Salve, sono nuovo del forum e ho il piacere di salutarvi tutti. Vorrei inoltre avere un consiglio riguardo a dover effettuare Type Rating su A320. Se poteste consigliarmi un TRTO in Europa o ancora magli in Italia dove poter effettuare tale corso. In attesa di vostri suggerimenti vi ringrazio
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Ti consiglio la Sabena flight academy, gente veramente all'altezza in tutti i sensi.

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My advice is...DO NOT DO IT. Get a FI rating (if U feel you can teach...), pack your bag and...get out there! No point in doing a SSTR without a WRITTEN deal with a job laid out at the end. Time and market are just right, do yourself a favour...!

And don't say you haven't been warned...

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do a fovour to yourself

dear Papazulu,
YOU ARE RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DO NOT PAY FOR SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO FOR FREE.
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Yop...!

Well...if truth must be told...NOT FOR FREE, but for reasonable conditions, aka as TRAINING BOND. A rare sight these days but not totally extinct, though!

Pls, pls, pls...get a FI rating, fly Skydive OPS, tug banners but do not fork you cash for a SSTR! A friend of mine went to a job interview (Company asks YOU to pay the rating BUT helps with the bank and pays it back in XXX yrs...) and the selector asked him what he was flying then. Answer: "...not flying, sir". Selector: "NOT FLYING?,WHY? Answer: "Well...wanna be a jet-driver,sir!" Selector: "C'mon! Get your ass out of here and get a FI rating, do something. We don't hire kids that wait for shinning heavies, we hire folks that have be doing ANYTHING in order to keep flying! Here is not a TR-shop!" This guy is my hero...

Hope you got the picture

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Salve,
leggendo i vari post e le giuste indignazioni sull'argomento, mi sembra che con la situazione odierna ad un newbye con 220-500 ore di volo si possano presentare le situazioni come segue, da parte della ipotetica compagnia:

1) ti assumo a t.i. e ti pago io l'intero TR
2) ti assumo a t.i. e ti faccio pagare il TR scalandotelo dalla busta paga, compresa assicurazione
3) ti assumo a contratto di 2-3 anni e ti scalo l'intero TR dalla busta paga, compresa assicurazione.
3bis) ti paghi cash il TR e io ti prendo a contratto per 2-3 anni.
4) ti paghi cash il TR e ti prendo a contrattto per 6 mesi "cosi fai curriculum".
5) ti paghi il TR cash e poi decido se farti un contratto.
6) l'allievo si paga il TR self sponsored e incrocia le dita.

La 1 è molto improbabile
La 2 è ottima
la 3 e la 3bis cosi cosi ma fattibili
Le (4,5,6) fanno gruppo e sono da evitare.

Secondo chi ha già peregrinato, che probabilità ci sono di incontrare l'una rispetto all'altra, sempre che una compagnia risponda positivamente al curriculum ?
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io gioco la 6...a quanto la danno alla SNAI?
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parlando in Italia
prima opzione: quasi inesistente tranne Alitalia meridiana e Miniliner(dipende dalle ore diciamo)
seconda opzione: Miniliner meridiana e Alpieagles (dipende dal bisogno che hanno)
terza e terza bis opzione: Airone airitaly neos airdolomiti meridiana volare alpieagles alcune con contratti annuali altre con contratti biennali o triennali
quarta quinta e sesta: windjet italy sorem blupanorama myair

ovviamente tutto cio x sentito dire e x esperienza personale.
le varie opzioni possono cambiare in base al bisogno delle compagnie e in base a chi sei (calcio in c..o).
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Type

Secondo me dovrebbe essere cosi:
1- Fai le selezioni
2-Passi le selezioni
3-Passi il Type rating (possibilmente dove non te lo regalano), pagato dalla
compagnia.
4-Resti in compagnia 4-5 anni.Se vai via prima paghi una penale.
Ribadisco , saro' de legno , che non si puo' (e l'enac dovrebbe fare qualcosa)
arrivare a lavorare su un aereo di linea ,senza aver mai fatto una qualunque selezione.
Pronto per gli insulti........la parola a voi.
Ciao.
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Good post Nick!

Ti quoto totalmente
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....It depends on....

I have appreciated your advice but in my case I don't need experience. At present time I have flown 2500Fh of ME aircraft and I have sent thousands of Cv to Italian Company Airlines and abroad but I haven't receveid answers yet. I am 35 and for this reasons I am taking into consideration the type rating course.
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job hunter says:
"DO NOT PAY FOR SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO FOR FREE."
where? please, post the name of that airline (remember, Easyjet has closed the selection program through CTC and Ryan is now asking for an MCC/selection totally self sponsored).

papazulu,
your advice is "get a FI rating"... a friend of mine did it a couple of years ago, then he went to an airline and the selector asked him what he was flying. Answer: "I'm a Flying Instructor on SEP a/c, sir" SELECTOR: "flying with SEP? and have you got hours on heavy a/c or jet?" answer: "I've got 60 hours on MEP" SELECTOR: "sorry but we're only searching for type rated pilots better if with some jet time or with EFIS time". The plain truth is that unfortunately the airlines prefers hiring rated pilot, and much better if with some line experience... so, why get a flying instructor rating if the majority of the airlines won't consider SEP time then.
Airlines are in the market to make profit so, they will hire the one that will be the cheapest for them...
My idea is:
years ago were born LOW COST AIRLINES FOR THE PEOPLE
now there's a new species: LOW COST PILOT FOR THE AIRLINE


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where? please, post the name of that airline (remember, Easyjet has closed the selection program through CTC and Ryan is now asking for an MCC/selection totally self sponsored
Find out yourself, do not ask JH or anyone else to help. Wanna job? Get up and start looking for it! Are U aware of the fact that EZY and FR are not the ONLY one hiring right now? Have you done any search, called someone, went to talk to anyone, so far? I think U are a bit lazy, sir...BTW: there is at least ONE of those arlines hidden here among the lines, so instead of punching in nonsense...read it better first!

your advice is "get a FI rating"... a friend of mine did it a couple of years ago, then he went to an airline...
Same as above, same old story...a friend of mine did. went, got...What about U? Have U done anything yet? Sorry for your friend, might have been bad luck, might have been in the wrong place at the wrong time but..all FIs at my FTO got a job after flying SEPs, upgrading to MEI and so on...True: some of them paid a rating with FR, but that's a choice not the last option! Obviously my FTO doesn't sit in the Banana's Republic .

My idea is:
years ago were born LOW COST AIRLINES FOR THE PEOPLE
now there's a new species: LOW COST PILOT FOR THE AIRLINE
My idea: your "idea" is just a wrong approach, hence useless to your cause. Did I ever mention you have to start right away from a wide-body for a Loco? Not need to mention a Legacy...

I have appreciated your advice but in my case I don't need experience. At present time I have flown 2500Fh of ME aircraft and I have sent thousands of Cv to Italian Company Airlines and abroad but I haven't receveid answers yet. I am 35 and for this reasons I am taking into consideration the type rating course.
Dunno UR personal situation but...Age is NOT LONGER an issue. One of our PT FIs is an BizJet-Rider and got his first jetjob at 45, but being so narrow-minded (Why just Italian so-called "airlines"...?) really makes you an outsider, don't you think so? With those figures on my logs I would give a call to NJE's HQ in Lisbon. Again...why just widebodies and/or just in Italy?

Being an ATP implies that we have ACCEPTED the fact that we may have to live abroad in order to achive our career's goals. Wanna fly around the campanile? Join the AeC, then...

Are U still sitting there and read this "crap"... ? Sorry for being frank...again!

Wish U good luck

PZ
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Ciao Nick....be diciamo che il tuo ragionamento e` veramente ideale...e offrirebbe tante possibilita` per molti piloti...ma guardiamo la realta...purtroppo nn credo succedera` mai...ahime`....

Sarebbe bello...ma dubito che succedera`....
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Pronto per gli insulti........la parola a voi.
allora dovremmo essere tutti quanti insultati.

purtroppo non credo che ENAC abbia tutto questo interesse a muoversi nei nostri interessi!!!
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Have you done any search, called someone, went to talk to anyone, so far? I think U are a bit lazy, sir...
what do you think? I'm here to scratching myself? I'm searching in different countries in Europe and I talked with lots of FOPH.... and the answer? more or less always the same... "well, I'll call you for the next selection... (without specify anything)" or "maybe there will be a selection, let me here your CV, I'll call you back but if someone will knock the door with more experience, we'll prefer him...". Last time I heared the last one was last week, Italy, Gallarate.
Another good one was near Verona: "they asked to pay to fly (they call it: line tranining) and at the end, no job though" what? I'm not a passenger anymore!
I hope to have only been unlucky, and in the wrong places at the wrong moment! but certainly I'll never give up and I'll try again

Find out yourself, do not ask JH or anyone else to help.
you right. It's usefull asking for something that nobody knows.


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Type Rating 737 .... Consigli......!!

Salve ragazzi... ho da poco finito il corso atpl... al momento quindi ho la licenza ATPL FROZEN CON CPL IR ME MCC.
Non vorrei perdere tempo... anche perchè tanto ormai se non hai il type rating non ti si fila nessuno.. sono arrivato a 30 e quindi perchè non arrivare a 31 e fare l ultimo sforzo economico...
Dopo aver fatto un attenta analisi su cosa fosse meglio fare .. tra B737 e A320 ho pensato che per il momento..almeno in italia per un giovane senza esperienza come me.. è meglio fare il type su 737 .. voi cosa ne pensate???
Ho dato un occhiata in giro su internet ed ho visto che offrono il type su B737 le seguenti flght accademy...
- RWL (IN GERMANIA) al costo di 13.900 piu i giri campo (credo altri 5.500)
- INTERCOCKPIT (IN GERMANIA) al costo di 16.000 piu giri campo stiamo intorno ai 20.000 .
- SABENA .. della quale non so i prezzi
- RANDHEM (a Miami) costo 14.400 piu giri campo altri 5000. tot. 19.400

Insomma stiamo tutte quante intorno ai 20.000 euro piu euro meno...

Vorrei cortesemente dei consigli..
Grazie mille.
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SABENA 30400€ compreso base training.
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Different dog, same s...t

Voce di uomo che grida nel deserto...

Happy shopping

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ciao Andrea, a nome di chi, è qualche anno che vola e si è fatto/sta facendo la gavetta, ti ringrazio per contribuire attivamente alla rovina della categoria!!

ovviamente non ce l'ho con te...
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