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Old 1st Nov 2022, 21:44
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Originally Posted by Ryanjokeair
it's amazing how many desperate men/women are willing to pay a fortune just to say they're pilots. this is the most disgusting company in the world. you even have to buy the uniform yourself. although I believe that it is easy for many to spend mommy and daddy's money, but in the meantime they are ruining the whole industry by contributing this nonsene pay to fly sht
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If you go to Wizz you pay 25k Euro over 5 years as a bond. So not only are you still paying back your training you're tied to a company for years and unable to go and pursue better opportunities (unless you can afford to shell out a lump sum). Is there that much of a difference, other than some people having access to resources to avoid being tied somewhere for a long time and be able to launch their career without the Russian roulette of hoping for a bonded position to come up?

And this situation is hardly the fault of the people who are in training and looking for jobs now... what were the pilots in position doing to protect the industry from this situation arising? Blaming people who were/are not even IN the industry from ruining it is a bit rich...
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Old 1st Nov 2022, 21:55
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Originally Posted by richpea
If you go to Wizz you pay 25k Euro over 5 years as a bond. So not only are you still paying back your training you're tied to a company for years and unable to go and pursue better opportunities (unless you can afford to shell out a lump sum). Is there that much of a difference, other than some people having access to resources to avoid being tied somewhere for a long time and be able to launch their career without the Russian roulette of hoping for a bonded position to come up?

And this situation is hardly the fault of the people who are in training and looking for jobs now... what were the pilots in position doing to protect the industry from this situation arising? Blaming people who were/are not even IN the industry from ruining it is a bit rich...
For cadets it is 20k euros over 4 years. Also, during training, cadets are paid (without bond deduction).
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Old 1st Nov 2022, 21:56
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Originally Posted by richpea
If you go to Wizz you pay 25k Euro over 5 years as a bond. So not only are you still paying back your training you're tied to a company for years and unable to go and pursue better opportunities (unless you can afford to shell out a lump sum). Is there that much of a difference, other than some people having access to resources to avoid being tied somewhere for a long time and be able to launch their career without the Russian roulette of hoping for a bonded position to come up?

And this situation is hardly the fault of the people who are in training and looking for jobs now... what were the pilots in position doing to protect the industry from this situation arising? Blaming people who were/are not even IN the industry from ruining it is a bit rich...

I am working at wizz… You cant compare this two companies (wizz and ryan)
From the beginning of the type rating I was recieving 1000 EUR, they paid the hotels, airplane tickects, taxi costs, uniform, 😀badge😀(i have heard that you have to buy your own badge at ryanair..&#129396

after line training my salary is between 3-4k as an FO

If someone has his/her standards so high, that working with these conditions are not good for a 4 year bond period, than why does he/she even apply for ryanair?


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Old 1st Nov 2022, 22:02
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Originally Posted by AviatorBoy_95
For cadets it is 20k euros over 4 years. Also, during training, cadets are paid (without bond deduction).
Unfortunately is very tough to get into Wizz. I went for an assessment a few months ago and didn't make it. 65 People was at the assessment and only 8 made it to the end. This is a weekly occurrence apparent
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Old 1st Nov 2022, 22:10
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Originally Posted by AviatorBoy_95
For cadets it is 20k euros over 4 years. Also, during training, cadets are paid (without bond deduction).
Its 20k over 4 years if you stay with them for the 5 year bond period, the last 5k is waived. The point still stands, you are locked into Wizz (and Wizz wages) for 5 years.
On the flip side you pay 30k upfront to Ryanair, and you don't get paid until line training. But you own your type rating, if you get a great offer from somewhere else as soon as you hit 1500 hours, nothing to stop you taking that up. If you're comparing in terms of value to a pilot in future career terms, what Ryanair offers is not actually a bad deal, its just "not fair" in the sense that it comes down to who has finance and who doesn't.

For the people going on about how it puts pilots already working in the industry at a disadvantage and drives down wages blah blah blah.... I have little sympathy, it was their job for them to protect their industry and they didn't do it, now they're seeing the results. Don't blame people trying to enter the industry for a system they didn't help create.
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Old 1st Nov 2022, 22:27
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Not accurate. I attended an open day presentation and the numbers were pretty clear: 20K over 4 years (no mention of 5k waived if staying 5 years). It is also possible to self spensor the TR for 35K euro which can suit better some persons like you.
Also afaik, accomation and travel are paid by Wizz even for cadets (with ryanair, the overall cost is at least 35K with accomodation, licence transfer ...)
For Lauda cadet (Ryanair), it was 20K over 3 years with no possibility to self spensor.
I have nothing against ryanair (really) but it is not always shiny. Some persons (who does not speak loudly) pass the TR after paying a lot of money and do not get the job after "failing" the line training. Some other airlines (who bond their pilot) would invest more on the training to get their cadets meeting their requirements.
Anyway, at the end of the day, for low timers, all these are details. What they need is simply to get into the industry whatever the conditions

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Old 2nd Nov 2022, 00:34
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Originally Posted by AviatorBoy_95
Not accurate. I attended an open day presentation and the numbers were pretty clear: 20K over 4 years (no mention of 5k waived if staying 5 years). It is also possible to self spensor the TR for 35K euro which can suit better some persons like you.Also afaik, accomation and travel are paid by Wizz even for cadets (with ryanair, the overall cost is at least 35K with accomodation, licence transfer ...)For Lauda cadet (Ryanair), it was 20K over 3 years with no possibility to self spensor.I have nothing against ryanair (really) but it is not always shiny. Some persons (who does not speak loudly) pass the TR after paying a lot of money and do not get the job after "failing" the line training. Some other airlines (who bond their pilot) would invest more on the training to get their cadets meeting their requirements.Anyway, at the end of the day, for low timers, all these are details. What they need is simply to get into the industry whatever the conditions
lots there, lots of factual inaccuracies The most brazen however is the bit about ryanair not supporting the cadets in meeting the training requirements. That's totally false. Yes they dont book you the Sheraton for the 3 month course and there's no pay, but that doesn't mean the instructors and training department dont go out of their way to provide training support to those struggling. I've personally seen guys struggle and get sent for additional training, free of charge (despite the AFA contract saying the cadet must pay). Likewise in line training, it goes on until they are satisfied you meet the level. Whoever has told you this info has told you lies. You need to separate the Ryanair media/marketing image from the training department, totally different animals.
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Old 2nd Nov 2022, 08:51
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Originally Posted by richpea
On the flip side you pay 30k upfront to Ryanair, and you don't get paid until line training.
You get paid from day 1 at Ryanair.
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Old 2nd Nov 2022, 09:14
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Originally Posted by A320LGW
lots there, lots of factual inaccuracies The most brazen however is the bit about ryanair not supporting the cadets in meeting the training requirements. That's totally false. Yes they dont book you the Sheraton for the 3 month course and there's no pay, but that doesn't mean the instructors and training department dont go out of their way to provide training support to those struggling. I've personally seen guys struggle and get sent for additional training, free of charge (despite the AFA contract saying the cadet must pay). Likewise in line training, it goes on until they are satisfied you meet the level. Whoever has told you this info has told you lies. You need to separate the Ryanair media/marketing image from the training department, totally different animals.
Totally agree to separate the Ryanair media/marketing image from the training department. The overall feedback I got from former ryanair pilots, is the excellent training. But tbh, I don't see why the person would lie about the fact he got kicked out after LT. Anyway ...
To clarify for those reading, can you please be factuel and say more about the "lots of factual inaccuracies" you spotted in my previous message?
Again, I'm really really not saying that Ryanair is a bad option but it is not necessarily a worse option compared to Wizz and vice versa is true as well. It all depends of each perspective and situation. The goal of this forum is to provide accurate numbers and facts to help each one understanding the situation.
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Old 2nd Nov 2022, 09:16
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Originally Posted by Aviationpassion
You get paid from day 1 at Ryanair.
You mean paid day 1 of LT not day 1 of TR, right? at least, this has been the case until recently unless it has changed
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Old 2nd Nov 2022, 09:29
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Originally Posted by AviatorBoy_95
You mean paid day 1 of LT not day 1 of TR, right? at least, this has been the case until recently unless it has changed
Paid from day 1 of TR.
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Old 2nd Nov 2022, 09:34
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Originally Posted by Aviationpassion
Paid from day 1 of TR.
Strange. From AFA website:BENEFITS OF THE CADET PROGRAMME
  • World Class Training
  • Industry Leading SOPs
  • Salary from Base Training
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Originally Posted by AviatorBoy_95
Strange. From AFA website:BENEFITS OF THE CADET PROGRAMME
  • World Class Training
  • Industry Leading SOPs
  • Salary from Base Training
My bad, from Base Training, not TR.
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Old 2nd Nov 2022, 17:20
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Originally Posted by AviatorBoy_95
Not accurate. I attended an open day presentation and the numbers were pretty clear: 20K over 4 years (no mention of 5k waived if staying 5 years). It is also possible to self spensor the TR for 35K euro which can suit better some persons like you.
Also afaik, accomation and travel are paid by Wizz even for cadets (with ryanair, the overall cost is at least 35K with accomodation, licence transfer ...)
For Lauda cadet (Ryanair), it was 20K over 3 years with no possibility to self spensor.
I have nothing against ryanair (really) but it is not always shiny. Some persons (who does not speak loudly) pass the TR after paying a lot of money and do not get the job after "failing" the line training. Some other airlines (who bond their pilot) would invest more on the training to get their cadets meeting their requirements.
Anyway, at the end of the day, for low timers, all these are details. What they need is simply to get into the industry whatever the conditions
If somebody failed line training rest assured that this person would have been given all possible chances and additional training to pass. So pls don't spread misinformation here. There are always 2 sides to every story
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Old 3rd Nov 2022, 16:02
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Hello, One friend made It 1 month ago and its the same and he has the same situation like u.

I have a question, they u call u or something? Because I fail also in November 2021 the assessment but no news((((
so after 6 month you can take the assessment again? Even if you fail at Dublin? or you have to wait longer after the simulator?
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Old 3rd Nov 2022, 21:50
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What’s the pay after line training?
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So that means that once you are bonded there's no way to leave? I thought you could just pay whatever was left i the bond and leave if that's what you wanted
Of course if you want to leave before the four years you can pay the remaining bond and go, but then you are essentially doing the same as what you would be doing with Ryanair, paying a large lump sum to be free of bond conditions. My overall point was that essentially with Ryanair, you are paying the lump sum to be free of the bond yourself and up front, rather than paying it back over several years and having to pay off the remainder later if you want to move on early. The overall cost of the training with Ryanair is within the ball park of what other airlines bond you to... the only real complaint that could be leveled against the way they do it is its "unfair" to those without access to financial resources.
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What’s the pay after line training?
You go onto the second officer contract. The pay depends on where you’re based and thereby what contract you are given. Anyway in the UK the second officer basic is £24,300 (+ £14/sbh). At 500 Ryanair hours you become a junior FO and the basic is £35,100 (+ £18/sbh). At 1,500 Ryanair hours you become a first officer and the basic is £45,000 (+ £9/sbh).

There is a £5,500 annual allowance too for medical, LOL, parking etc
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Old 4th Nov 2022, 10:34
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Originally Posted by richpea
Of course if you want to leave before the four years you can pay the remaining bond and go, but then you are essentially doing the same as what you would be doing with Ryanair, paying a large lump sum to be free of bond conditions. My overall point was that essentially with Ryanair, you are paying the lump sum to be free of the bond yourself and up front, rather than paying it back over several years and having to pay off the remainder later if you want to move on early. The overall cost of the training with Ryanair is within the ball park of what other airlines bond you to... the only real complaint that could be leveled against the way they do it is its "unfair" to those without access to financial resources.
What happens to the bond when you get fired for reasons other than direct cause?
Do you still need to pay the remaining bond? If you do need to pay it back then it's more or less the same as Ryanair.
If you don't I think you can view the bond partly as an investment into the cadet - airline risking financial damage if they have to let you go for whatever reason.
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What happens to the bond when you get fired for reasons other than direct cause?
Do you still need to pay the remaining bond? If you do need to pay it back then it's more or less the same as Ryanair.
If you don't I think you can view the bond partly as an investment into the cadet - airline risking financial damage if they have to let you go for whatever reason.
The whole point of the bond is that the airline is making you responsible for their loss if you don't work for them for long enough.
I know guys who got laid off from Emirates weeks into their bonded MPL course due to COVID and were held liable for the whole bond. I would assume its the same deal anywhere, you agree that the training is worth X amount and you agree to reimburse the airline for investing that much in you if you don't work long enough for them to get the value from them, regardless of the circumstance of your departure.
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