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Of course if you want to leave before the four years you can pay the remaining bond and go, but then you are essentially doing the same as what you would be doing with Ryanair, paying a large lump sum to be free of bond conditions. My overall point was that essentially with Ryanair, you are paying the lump sum to be free of the bond yourself and up front, rather than paying it back over several years and having to pay off the remainder later if you want to move on early. The overall cost of the training with Ryanair is within the ball park of what other airlines bond you to... the only real complaint that could be leveled against the way they do it is its "unfair" to those without access to financial resources.
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You go onto the second officer contract. The pay depends on where you’re based and thereby what contract you are given. Anyway in the UK the second officer basic is £24,300 (+ £14/sbh). At 500 Ryanair hours you become a junior FO and the basic is £35,100 (+ £18/sbh). At 1,500 Ryanair hours you become a first officer and the basic is £45,000 (+ £9/sbh).
There is a £5,500 annual allowance too for medical, LOL, parking etc
There is a £5,500 annual allowance too for medical, LOL, parking etc
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Of course if you want to leave before the four years you can pay the remaining bond and go, but then you are essentially doing the same as what you would be doing with Ryanair, paying a large lump sum to be free of bond conditions. My overall point was that essentially with Ryanair, you are paying the lump sum to be free of the bond yourself and up front, rather than paying it back over several years and having to pay off the remainder later if you want to move on early. The overall cost of the training with Ryanair is within the ball park of what other airlines bond you to... the only real complaint that could be leveled against the way they do it is its "unfair" to those without access to financial resources.
Do you still need to pay the remaining bond? If you do need to pay it back then it's more or less the same as Ryanair.
If you don't I think you can view the bond partly as an investment into the cadet - airline risking financial damage if they have to let you go for whatever reason.
What happens to the bond when you get fired for reasons other than direct cause?
Do you still need to pay the remaining bond? If you do need to pay it back then it's more or less the same as Ryanair.
If you don't I think you can view the bond partly as an investment into the cadet - airline risking financial damage if they have to let you go for whatever reason.
Do you still need to pay the remaining bond? If you do need to pay it back then it's more or less the same as Ryanair.
If you don't I think you can view the bond partly as an investment into the cadet - airline risking financial damage if they have to let you go for whatever reason.
I know guys who got laid off from Emirates weeks into their bonded MPL course due to COVID and were held liable for the whole bond. I would assume its the same deal anywhere, you agree that the training is worth X amount and you agree to reimburse the airline for investing that much in you if you don't work long enough for them to get the value from them, regardless of the circumstance of your departure.
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You go onto the second officer contract. The pay depends on where you’re based and thereby what contract you are given. Anyway in the UK the second officer basic is £24,300 (+ £14/sbh). At 500 Ryanair hours you become a junior FO and the basic is £35,100 (+ £18/sbh). At 1,500 Ryanair hours you become a first officer and the basic is £45,000 (+ £9/sbh).
There is a £5,500 annual allowance too for medical, LOL, parking etc
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The whole point of the bond is that the airline is making you responsible for their loss if you don't work for them for long enough.
I know guys who got laid off from Emirates weeks into their bonded MPL course due to COVID and were held liable for the whole bond. I would assume its the same deal anywhere, you agree that the training is worth X amount and you agree to reimburse the airline for investing that much in you if you don't work long enough for them to get the value from them, regardless of the circumstance of your departure.
I know guys who got laid off from Emirates weeks into their bonded MPL course due to COVID and were held liable for the whole bond. I would assume its the same deal anywhere, you agree that the training is worth X amount and you agree to reimburse the airline for investing that much in you if you don't work long enough for them to get the value from them, regardless of the circumstance of your departure.
Other than that I don't know whether backwards countries like the UAE are even comparable to the EU in terms of contract law etc.
I'd rather view it as a mutual commitment really. Don't really see at which point paying the lump sum out of your own pocket will ever be more beneficial than a bond.
Other than that I don't know whether backwards countries like the UAE are even comparable to the EU in terms of contract law etc.
Other than that I don't know whether backwards countries like the UAE are even comparable to the EU in terms of contract law etc.
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It would be interesting to have some feedbacks from people who have been hired by Ryanair in the last year or 2. Are they happy with the training, conditions, salary, base etc..
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I think you can view both ways around as a mutual commitment. If you "own" your TR and line training then they company has more incentive to keep you happy, or you bag your 1500 hrs and go on your way. If you're on a 4-5 year bond the company have made a commitment to take on the training risk, but then you're locked in regardless of being offered better terms and conditions somewhere else... unless of course you can afford to pay out the bond.
Company A: you'll need a Mercedes from our partner dealer, that will cost you 30K upfront. We'll offer you work for 6 months. If you do a good job we might offer you a contract afterwards.
Company B: you'll need a Mercedes, we'll buy you one. You'll have to pay us 30K back in installments. We'll offer you a 4 year contract with us. If you decide to leave us earlier you'll have to pay the remainder.
Then imagine that for company A there's a group lined up with each their own Mercedes, ready to work.
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So imagine you're a taxi driver:
Company A: you'll need a Mercedes from our partner dealer, that will cost you 30K upfront. We'll offer you work for 6 months. If you do a good job we might offer you a contract afterwards.
Company B: you'll need a Mercedes, we'll buy you one. You'll have to pay us 30K back in installments. We'll offer you a 4 year contract with us. If you decide to leave us earlier you'll have to pay the remainder.
Then imagine that for company A there's a group lined up with each their own Mercedes, ready to work.
Company A: you'll need a Mercedes from our partner dealer, that will cost you 30K upfront. We'll offer you work for 6 months. If you do a good job we might offer you a contract afterwards.
Company B: you'll need a Mercedes, we'll buy you one. You'll have to pay us 30K back in installments. We'll offer you a 4 year contract with us. If you decide to leave us earlier you'll have to pay the remainder.
Then imagine that for company A there's a group lined up with each their own Mercedes, ready to work.
So imagine you're a taxi driver:
Company A: you'll need a Mercedes from our partner dealer, that will cost you 30K upfront. We'll offer you work for 6 months. If you do a good job we might offer you a contract afterwards.
Company B: you'll need a Mercedes, we'll buy you one. You'll have to pay us 30K back in installments. We'll offer you a 4 year contract with us. If you decide to leave us earlier you'll have to pay the remainder.
Then imagine that for company A there's a group lined up with each their own Mercedes, ready to work.
Company A: you'll need a Mercedes from our partner dealer, that will cost you 30K upfront. We'll offer you work for 6 months. If you do a good job we might offer you a contract afterwards.
Company B: you'll need a Mercedes, we'll buy you one. You'll have to pay us 30K back in installments. We'll offer you a 4 year contract with us. If you decide to leave us earlier you'll have to pay the remainder.
Then imagine that for company A there's a group lined up with each their own Mercedes, ready to work.
I'm not saying that A is a lovely, fair and equitable way to go about bringing on new pilots, but I do think it has an upside for the pilots concerned, and in a world where no one is doing anyone down at the bottom of the pyramid any favors, I can't see why anyone should be blamed for taking the A option if they can.
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Hi guys, just wondering about the application process for Afa cadet on Ryanair website? I applied over a month ago for online assessment but nothing yet! I’m just doubting myself if I forgot to hit a button or something simple as I have my profile up to date, and I have all my documents uploaded under my documents tab and applied to the cadet afa type rating, I can see all the documents I uploaded on the page and clicked submit, but the page still has the submit option available and I’m afraid to hit it again in case I mess it up, is there anyway of knowing or confirming that everything has been uploaded correctly?
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mate sorry to hear this but if I tell you since when I have been waiting for an answer you will not believe it. I've been waiting patiently since 2019 and I didn't get a single word from them. so I decided to put my hopes somewhere else, luckily I found something which kept me current during covid.
Don't give up hope. There are other opportunities out there. Look out of the BOX.
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