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Easyjet MPL 2014 OAA/CTC

Old 8th Apr 2014, 13:49
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I'm also waiting for the FPP results on Friday. If I don't get in, I am in two minds about applying to Oxford for this.

One of the things that they don't mention on the website is that its 100k + VAT. In theory you can avoid paying the VAT by setting up a Irish company but I'm not 100% convinced the tax man would be happy if he did an audit on you.

Last year, it was free to apply to if you had been through the FPP, this year they want another 150. They also specifically mention Germany and Portugal as bases this year, if you have ties to the UK this could be a problem.

On the other hand, having the training all in the UK (although I see they mention Phoenix this time around) with a focus on Multi Crew Cooperation is an added bonus. I believe with CTC in the simulator phase you are on a A320 from the beginning vs Oxford where you only get onto the A320 simulators later on.

I have not done the maths, but I would guess over your career you would earn more at Easyjet than British Airways (if the historical time to command and bonus structure holds true). Ie it should take 5-6 years at Easyjet to hit 6 figures GBP versus 15? at British Airways. Your also more likely to get a weekend / Christmas off at Easyjet earlier in your career!

If CTC are providing guarantees then it might be better to hold out for them to open.
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Old 8th Apr 2014, 16:51
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Your also more likely to get a weekend / Christmas off at Easyjet earlier in your career!
Apparently it isn't very hard to get Christmas off at BA. I was chatting with a BA pilot not that long ago (not at Waterside incidentally) and he said to me nobody really tries to book Christmas off as they just don't think they'll get it, and for that reason those who do actually do usually get it. I might have misunderstood him, but that's what I believe he said.

I'm not sure about the salaries. What I do know is that after a while in either airline you'll be earning a good salary. And for me the money isn't particularly important. I don't need to earn a six-figure salary to get by in life.

Anyway; not to deviate off topic, it'll be interesting to see more information on Easyjet's scheme when it becomes available.
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Old 9th Apr 2014, 14:57
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Good luck to the FPP guys, it must be squeaky bum time for you now!!!

Have you been told when you will begin at your chosen school?


Looks like the OAA Easyjet MPL page is 'down for maintenance'
Has anyone applied to this scheme prior to it closing for maintenance?

Is it true that CTC offer the bond pay back = tax free, and that OAA do not offer the tax break that a bond would provide?
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Old 9th Apr 2014, 16:19
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I think we were told September although we don't have exact dates. It's a staggered start as such. Think I'm going to go and have a play in a Firefly to take my mind off it on Friday until the email arrives.

I've applied for the easyJet MPL with OAA, didn't get an email as I should. Left my name and email for a call back which I've not had yet. Have no idea whats going on at all though. Have several friends who are in the same position.
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Old 9th Apr 2014, 17:33
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sam17, when I was at the interviews last time, the chap at Oxford said he expected everyone to apply to both CTC and themselves. Several people I was there with had applied to both, CTC had their results out first and some were nervously waiting. So, yes apply to both and good luck.
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Old 9th Apr 2014, 18:31
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As someone who flies for BA now it should speak volumes that I find myself half heartedly looking at direct entry to easyjet. Good luck to those that apply and to those who join us on the FPP one day you will understand my frustration. Both great companies to work for though
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Old 9th Apr 2014, 21:01
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About a year or so back when the NEC contract was announced, BALPA claimed to 'be in discussions' with EZY re loan underwriting. Anybody know the results of this? Maybe CTC will announce such a scheme? The finances seem to add up and even at a worse case scenario of ~600 hours/year you'd have enough to repay your loan + a livable wage.The only barrier to me applying is the lack of a house to use as security. Underwriting loans would change this scheme from no-hoper to FPP rival in an instant.
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Old 9th Apr 2014, 23:19
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Sorry, did I read this correctly? The course costs 100k + VAT + living expenses, therefore works out at something around 125,000?

Wow.
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Old 10th Apr 2014, 19:43
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And that's if you can live on circa 10 a day during the 18 months or so you'll be training for. I certainly couldn't do that easily.
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Old 10th Apr 2014, 20:37
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The cost is crazy. A couple of years ago the price was 80-90k wasn't it? It's still the same course, how on earth are they justifying inflation of >10%??
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Old 10th Apr 2014, 22:24
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This is a massive commitment that is for sure! You can't fight the power, CTC and CAE OAA can set any price they want as they have a monopoly on entering the industry now, this isn't allowed in any other industry I can think of. However if people are still willing to pay the money chasing the dream then the price will continue to rise.

That said if you want it badly enough and are willing to take the risk this is a brilliant opportunity.

I know people that have come through Oxford and CTC and are now flying for Easyjet debt free having paid back their loans in 5 years.

I personally think the rewards outweigh the risks but you have to do some serious research to be in this position yourself, or have some rich parents that can foot the bill for you.

Good luck to anyone that applies to this scheme (not just on passing selection but on making it through the first few years at easyjet to a point where you are financially stable and relatively secure in your job).

I wonder how many FPP pilots are getting ready to spend the next 24 hours hitting refresh on their E-Mail accounts waiting for the good news. All the best.
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 05:56
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Firstly good luck for today.

Forgive the thread drift but with regard to your comments about BA and:

Your (sic) also more likely to get a weekend / Christmas off at Easyjet earlier in your career!
G-FORC3 is correct when he states that it's not that difficult.

Weekends, perhaps. Christmas? Without going into the sub sub specialist subject of "Bidline for shorthaul" I'd point out that:

1. Christmas work is allocated on a points system with credit being given for any previous Christmas(s) worked.
2. Even BA's shorthaul winds down over Xmas and those that are keen to work bid positively to get a standover Christmas Day somewhere of their choosing.....

FWIW I've been in BA over 25 years and never worked a Christmas unless I have wanted too (worked plenty of weekends and over a dozen Christmases though, as we all do).

As a general point from reading the thread yes, BA has got it's problems, as have all airlines...the real world is not as rose tinted as some would have us believe. There is some unhappiness in some areas down to the likes of work load, pay, and stagnation. If someone is "in a hurry", so to speak, I can see the attraction of Easyjet over BA - especially if all your target in life is is a quick command, with all that goes with it, and/or only ever want to fly shorthaul from (hopefully) your local base.

Last edited by wiggy; 11th Apr 2014 at 08:35. Reason: Replace "had" with "has"...the problems still exist !!!
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 07:13
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New entrants contract

New entrants go onto flex for 12 months then offered perm SO locked at 38k.

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Old 11th Apr 2014, 07:14
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Think Wiggy is spot on here and he understands the grating issues the lower end of the seniority list has. There is no answer to it other than to dig in work hard and believe that growth will come from the bmi integration. Christmas off i would say is almost certain but I went through a stage of over 6 months where bar holiday worked every weekend. In terms of rostering it has to be the most unfair and discriminatory system out there and we are working very very hard to make CAP (20+ days some months). If you don't have aspirations to fly long haul I would think BA is no longer the automatic choice.
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 07:17
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Man utd1999,

eJ plan to underwrite loans, not sure when. From my email:

"In future, ab-initio pilots will complete a pre-selection process for entry into an easyJet career. New loan arrangements are under development (involving continuing liaison with BALPA) which will help make the overall process more affordable. These measures potentially include the underwriting of loans by easyJet, thus reducing the burden on cadets and enabling better negotiation of interest rates.
The intention is for easyJet to underwrite the loans that potential pilots enter into with BBVA. This will allow access to funding to a much wider group of pilots for the future. It will also allow more flexibility for us to restructure payments to alleviate the financial pressure during the first 2 years, without making significant changes to interest rates or repayment period. The details of the new scheme and implementation details are not yet finalised, but we are making good progress and expect to be able to publish additional details in the next few weeks once we have agreed final terms with BBVA and have consulted with HMRC to ensure the scheme is compliant with HMRC rules."
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 07:24
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eJ Internal Pilot Scheme

Many of you may not be aware, eJ also run a separate internal pilot recruitment scheme whereby employees that hold a CPL/IR can apply. Great way for the modular guys to get in. Requirements are:

- 18 months as an eJ employee - with an exemplary record.

- Current CPL/IR

- Valid Class 1

- certain amount of flying hours in past X months. (can't remember figure off top of my head)

eJ will then part sponsor you through the CTC AQC course and TR. (6K i think it is from cadet)

NEC contract offered upon completion.

Not a bad scheme at all!
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 07:37
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I am currently on this scheme at CTC, I can confirm that CTC and eJ plan to announce a loan guarantee scheme just like the FPP which should allow more people to apply this year round. Which I think is great news.
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 08:04
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Apologies, Flexi is still paid per flying hour until permanent SO is offered after 12 months.

"New Entrant Contract FTA agreement reached.
As with all negotiations an element of compromise was necessary. Whilst we have managed to improve the contracts that will now be offered to those pilots currently flying easyJet aircraft as flexicrew and also those recently employed on new contracts, we feel the most significant benefits will be enjoyed by our future ab-initio pilots. We have negotiated transitional arrangements for many of our existing flexicrew and those who recently signed new entrant contracts.
In future, ab-initio pilots will complete a pre-selection process for entry into an easyJet career. New loan arrangements are under development (involving continuing liaison with BALPA) which will help make the overall process more affordable. These measures potentially include the underwriting of loans by easyJet, thus reducing the burden on cadets and enabling better negotiation of interest rates.
The intention is for easyJet to underwrite the loans that potential pilots enter into with BBVA. This will allow access to funding to a much wider group of pilots for the future. It will also allow more flexibility for us to restructure payments to alleviate the financial pressure during the first 2 years, without making significant changes to interest rates or repayment period. The details of the new scheme and implementation details are not yet finalised, but we are making good progress and expect to be able to publish additional details in the next few weeks once we have agreed final terms with BBVA and have consulted with HMRC to ensure the scheme is compliant with HMRC rules.
Upon completion of type rating, new crews will complete a period of 12 months flexicrew in preparation for permanent entry onto easyJet contracts. This represents a significant change in the company strategy, creates a much more secure environment for our new crews and addresses one of the fundamental areas within the BALPA casualisation campaign.
On completion of the 'flexicrew' phase, subject to suitability, successful new entrants will be offered a Second Officer contract on a flat rate pay scale (currently 38000). No sector pay will be earned on this contract however night stop allowances will be paid. Usual employee benefits will feature within the contract.
On completion of 1251 eJ factored hours and 1 year on an SO contract, pilots will be offered a First Officer contract. This contract will be rostered using the FRV2 rule set (including 144 days off per year the same total days off as the current 5354 fixed pattern).
Where possible, full-time positions will be offered. Where this is not possible, a 75% permanent part-year contract will be offered. This contract is restricted to 675 flying hours or 1410 duty hours per year. If these limits are exceeded, crew will avail of the daily rate published in the agreement. Exceedance of these limits is voluntary.
Because many more flexicrew will now be eligible for a permanent contract, there will be a transition period this year, with the aim of employing all the additional eligible pilots by the end of 2013.
During the transition period any flexicrew pilot who has achieved 1251 hours and 2 years flying for easyJet will join as a first officer. In addition, any pilot employed by easyJet on April 1st 2013 who had achieved 2000 easyJet factored hours by April 1st will be promoted to SFO, the company will shortly be providing more information to those who will benefit.
Following 2 years as a First Officer and 2501 easyJet factored hours, crew will be promoted to a Senior First Officer contract. This is a default fixed pattern roster contract. If an FO has been on a part-time contract and no full-time SFO positions are available within base, using the normal base transfer rules they may transfer to a base offering full-time positions in the normal manner if they so wish. If crew wish to remain on an FRV roster they may do so.
Upon promotion to command, the normal command contract will apply.
The new contracts will also apply to more experienced pilots who may be recruited directly into the rank of FO or SFO."
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 09:21
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Thanks for the replies about Christmas. So it looks like my Santa Jumper might get another few years use at either BA or Easyjet.

I hope that Oxford get the same BBVA guarantee as CTC. To state it mildly, it would put Oxford at a disadvantage when trying to recruit potential Cadets! Given that easyJets finances are in a lot better shape than British Airways, hopefully the interest rate would be lower too..

Last year, if you passed the Easyland assessment at Luton with CTC and had also applied and got to the last stage with Oxford then you could carry over the "CTC pass" and join Oxford. It looks like the Oxford assessments wont be at Easyland this year, so I'm not sure how transfer would work.
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 10:28
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New SO salary is 39,200 now
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