A320 line training how to get 500hrs?
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Hi guys,
I have been looking for a way to get these 500hrs all the airlines ask to fly the A320. I believe the only way nowadays is P2F and the only airline I found was Atlasjet with negative feedbacks. Do you know any other opportunities?
thanks to all
I have been looking for a way to get these 500hrs all the airlines ask to fly the A320. I believe the only way nowadays is P2F and the only airline I found was Atlasjet with negative feedbacks. Do you know any other opportunities?
thanks to all
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How about you start from the bottom and get a job with an air taxi or towing a banner or a flight instructor, like the majority of pilots have done. People like you destroy the aviation industry by paying to fly.
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I have been looking for a way to get these 500hrs all the airlines ask to fly the A320. I believe the only way nowadays is P2F and the only airline I found was Atlasjet with negative feedbacks.
There are no end of pilots with 500 hours, 1000 hours, 2000 hours, 3000 hours....etc. on these (and other) types of jet aircraft in the general marketplace. For a pilot applying for a vacancy with only 500 hours on type (around 6-8 months experience for most operators,) the application would beg the questions: What is their background, and why are they looking for alternative employment with so little experience?
There can be very good and plausible answers to those questions, but there are also "red flag" answers. Plenty of good candidates (with so little experience) can find themselves in that position as a result of short term placements with quality operators. Similarly, plenty of people are looking for better stability and terms and conditions as progressive opportunities arise. This is very common where terms and conditions may be weak, but the training background has been of good quality. There are also good quality pilots who may be available because of the failure or retrenchment of their previous employer.
500 hours is a very minimum benchmark for an airline looking for "experienced" pilots. I have underlined the magic word, and you would be wise to take heed of it. When a reputable company is looking for pilots they are usually inundated with applications. The filters they apply to those applications vary, but there are keywords that raise flags with many of them. There is a lot of quality out there, much of it is good, but some of it is very poor. It isn't a secret to most recruiters, who participates where in that spectrum.
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I still stand by my point. If he has 3000TT, I am surprised he is even considering P2F. Working 5 years as a flight instructor he should know that P2F is not the way to go.
I still stand by my point. If he has 3000TT, I am surprised he is even considering P2F. Working 5 years as a flight instructor he should know that P2F is not the way to go.
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I know of a TRTO / Airline, who will take your money,maybe let you do line-training for 500 hours, and say bye bye after, on 737!
Now why would they do this? Since they trained you etc.., because there is a new sucker ready to think 500 hours is the ticket into the dream!
The "cliche" wake up and smell the coffee is right here, there are guys with much more experience out there than 500 hours, struggling to get a proper job!
So you have to ask yourself, is the investment really worth it, if all you can get is bottom of the barrel job, and no way out!
Of course we all think we are the "special one"!
Only problem there are to many of us!
Do you want to spend £50.000 to make £1000 - £1500 a month?
Give it to me, I will double that money in 6 months for you!
Now why would they do this? Since they trained you etc.., because there is a new sucker ready to think 500 hours is the ticket into the dream!
The "cliche" wake up and smell the coffee is right here, there are guys with much more experience out there than 500 hours, struggling to get a proper job!
So you have to ask yourself, is the investment really worth it, if all you can get is bottom of the barrel job, and no way out!
Of course we all think we are the "special one"!
Only problem there are to many of us!
Do you want to spend £50.000 to make £1000 - £1500 a month?
Give it to me, I will double that money in 6 months for you!
Educated Hillbilly
Skipname,
Banner Towing: There must about two or three companies in the entire UK that do banner towing . From my experience not something for a real low timer to be doing.
Air Taxi: Very few piston twin operators left out there, most will want at least 100 hours multi P1, of which the only way to obtain that is buying hours in the states (kind of pay to fly really) (ok you might be lucky and get to fly dead legs as a safety pilot maybe).
The schools around London are full of instructors who have been stuck full time instructing for 2 to 3 years and not moved on to anything. Look back ten years ago and a lot of the airlines that once took an instructor with a 1000 hours now only take cadets from CTC.
The fact is once you hit a 1000 hours either move onto CPL or multi instructing (btw upgrading to MEI costs close to 10K). If not there is no point persisting with full time instructing at ppl level, all you are doing is keeping yourself on a low wage, it is far better to drop down to part time instructing, go back to your old job and use the additional money to fund something that will advance your flying career (ie: Multi time, type rating or even just some decent ifr touring around Europe in a complex single).
Skipname, working five years as an instructor he has probably realised most operators don't give a flying **** about masses of single engine time.
If he does do a 500 hour scheme he will come out of it with a full ATPL and actually be eligible for some of the reasonably well paid contract work on the A320 in Asia.
I don't agree with pay to fly, I wouldn't do it myself but fully understand why someone would consider it. That said I would never recommend anyone to go full time instructing these days.
Banner Towing: There must about two or three companies in the entire UK that do banner towing . From my experience not something for a real low timer to be doing.
Air Taxi: Very few piston twin operators left out there, most will want at least 100 hours multi P1, of which the only way to obtain that is buying hours in the states (kind of pay to fly really) (ok you might be lucky and get to fly dead legs as a safety pilot maybe).
The schools around London are full of instructors who have been stuck full time instructing for 2 to 3 years and not moved on to anything. Look back ten years ago and a lot of the airlines that once took an instructor with a 1000 hours now only take cadets from CTC.
The fact is once you hit a 1000 hours either move onto CPL or multi instructing (btw upgrading to MEI costs close to 10K). If not there is no point persisting with full time instructing at ppl level, all you are doing is keeping yourself on a low wage, it is far better to drop down to part time instructing, go back to your old job and use the additional money to fund something that will advance your flying career (ie: Multi time, type rating or even just some decent ifr touring around Europe in a complex single).
Skipname, working five years as an instructor he has probably realised most operators don't give a flying **** about masses of single engine time.
If he does do a 500 hour scheme he will come out of it with a full ATPL and actually be eligible for some of the reasonably well paid contract work on the A320 in Asia.
I don't agree with pay to fly, I wouldn't do it myself but fully understand why someone would consider it. That said I would never recommend anyone to go full time instructing these days.
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Thanks for helping me guys. Indeed nowadays single engine piston hours are almost a funfact on a CV. I thought 5 years ago that getting experience in a flying environment could help me find the airline job I was dreaming of.The problem is that times change, even though Airbus' order book is full for the next 5 years they don't hire guys that don't have hours on type. Probably because nowadays pilots leave their job to take the same paid 1$ more and that is 1hr flight closer to home.
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wisdom on here, i.e. Bealzebub, Skipname, Truckflyer
Fastjet hired two guys that completed a TR in the UK, and whom also completed 500 hours line training,. Another girl is almost done, I think she has another 50 hours to go, but has already been offered a job with Fastjet - Dar es salaam.
I know plenty of guys very well who paid for their type rating and line training and went straight to UK carriers since 2008 (and I do mean plenty). The ones that didn't get jobs are the one's that are weak and perform below standard during assessments (and do not reveal they have indeed had shots at an assessment... FACT). Nevertheless, follow-up assessments have been attended.
The successful lot do perform their duties exceptionally well, and chose not sit around on their derriers listening to the cr4p offered by some "experienced" pilots who are against such pursuits and endlessly go round and round with the same old, same old, talking about their industry ideals, ethics, morals, money - the cost of it (they don't have it, hence their need to impart expert monetary "advice"). They just talk about the billions and billions of pilots with so many thousands of hours who can't get jobs and blah, blah, blah. The difference between those pilots and you is that you would go anywhere in the world. And with a fresh TR and 500 current hours on type you are seen to be more appealing than a stale, conditioned "experienced" guy, whose airline didn't want anymore. Also, these guys are picky and now have committments that limit their career options, stunting opportunities to work overseas. They could have families now, mortgages, etc., etc., and who knows what else! Personal dynamics vary considerably. Those pilots are not YOU. These gentlemen won't get you a job. You are better off ignoring them. Give you a bloody earache.
If you want a job, go get it. Use the means available and take full advantage. Or be passive, fire off CVs for the next couple of years and hope you will get a shot.
Absolutely no one can tell ME what is right and what is wrong when it comes to securing a job with an airline. The tools are there. Spend your money how you want, or leave it in an "old man's" savings account.. Get your type rating, get your hours. Go do it!
wisdom on here, i.e. Bealzebub, Skipname, Truckflyer Fastjet hired two guys that completed a TR in the UK, and whom also completed 500 hours line training,. Another girl is almost done, I think she has another 50 hours to go, but has already been offered a job with Fastjet - Dar es salaam.
I know plenty of guys very well who paid for their type rating and line training and went straight to UK carriers since 2008 (and I do mean plenty). The ones that didn't get jobs are the one's that are weak and perform below standard during assessments (and do not reveal they have indeed had shots at an assessment... FACT). Nevertheless, follow-up assessments have been attended.
The successful lot do perform their duties exceptionally well, and chose not sit around on their derriers listening to the cr4p offered by some "experienced" pilots who are against such pursuits and endlessly go round and round with the same old, same old, talking about their industry ideals, ethics, morals, money - the cost of it (they don't have it, hence their need to impart expert monetary "advice"). They just talk about the billions and billions of pilots with so many thousands of hours who can't get jobs and blah, blah, blah. The difference between those pilots and you is that you would go anywhere in the world. And with a fresh TR and 500 current hours on type you are seen to be more appealing than a stale, conditioned "experienced" guy, whose airline didn't want anymore. Also, these guys are picky and now have committments that limit their career options, stunting opportunities to work overseas. They could have families now, mortgages, etc., etc., and who knows what else! Personal dynamics vary considerably. Those pilots are not YOU. These gentlemen won't get you a job. You are better off ignoring them. Give you a bloody earache.
If you want a job, go get it. Use the means available and take full advantage. Or be passive, fire off CVs for the next couple of years and hope you will get a shot.
Absolutely no one can tell ME what is right and what is wrong when it comes to securing a job with an airline. The tools are there. Spend your money how you want, or leave it in an "old man's" savings account.. Get your type rating, get your hours. Go do it!
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Hi Nas,
You've been writing about your job applications here on this forum for the last two and a half years.
How did it go for you? I only ask as you always seem to give others as an example of people who broke into the system. I sincerely hope it came good for you too.
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You've been writing about your job applications here on this forum for the last two and a half years.
How did it go for you? I only ask as you always seem to give others as an example of people who broke into the system. I sincerely hope it came good for you too.
Regards
Rob
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Try Onur Air or Citilink, approach directly do not go through 3rd parties.
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Specially stay away awayyyyy from
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Specially stay away awayyyyy from
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Well done in getting a job, but what are you going on about?
Because you have haven’t heard of “ANYONE”, then it possibly can’t be true? Is this your logic?
Keep projective statements to fictional story-writing. Everything you have said is completely misconstrued, my friend. I said what I did because I have first-hand knowledge by involved individuals.
I have seen the reactions of people from both sides of the fence, pro and con. I have met people whose credibility is destroyed on forums, but in reality they are highly professional. I choose to get involved and know who’s right and who’s wrong. It gets very convoluted when information is based on second-hand or third-hand sources. And this causes friction. There are companies which are very dodgy (easily indentifiable), but like you said, agreements can be and are arranged by legitimate TRTOs that see, for example, you get an assessment as part of the training. They are there.
Also, I flew with a guy that paid for his own TR, however, he unimpressed an influential TRE in a volunteered Sim-detail, where he partnered a chap for his LST. He must have done abysmally. This led to him being pulled from flying for the airline (this was in 2008). He too reverted to cabin crew duties (don’t know where he is now).
Hello Rob
I got my first job in 2008 straight out of flight training.
Well done in getting a job, but what are you going on about?
Because you have haven’t heard of “ANYONE”, then it possibly can’t be true? Is this your logic?
Keep projective statements to fictional story-writing. Everything you have said is completely misconstrued, my friend. I said what I did because I have first-hand knowledge by involved individuals.
I have seen the reactions of people from both sides of the fence, pro and con. I have met people whose credibility is destroyed on forums, but in reality they are highly professional. I choose to get involved and know who’s right and who’s wrong. It gets very convoluted when information is based on second-hand or third-hand sources. And this causes friction. There are companies which are very dodgy (easily indentifiable), but like you said, agreements can be and are arranged by legitimate TRTOs that see, for example, you get an assessment as part of the training. They are there.
Also, I flew with a guy that paid for his own TR, however, he unimpressed an influential TRE in a volunteered Sim-detail, where he partnered a chap for his LST. He must have done abysmally. This led to him being pulled from flying for the airline (this was in 2008). He too reverted to cabin crew duties (don’t know where he is now).
Hello Rob
I got my first job in 2008 straight out of flight training.
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Moved on?
It appears you have moved on to sitting around Hong Kong waiting for Dragon Air to call. Pre qualified Cadet? Didn't stay at Easy very long did you.
Were you one of the few guys Easy took on in the short lived P2F scheme they had?
P2F worked out for you!
Were you one of the few guys Easy took on in the short lived P2F scheme they had?
P2F worked out for you!
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That is a very disappointing response. It pleases you if someone fails in getting a job, however they go about it? What a great guy.
I rarely make comments. I have a look now and then to see what you lot are talking about. A lot of you are serial posters that comment on almost anything. You must have used your Sherlock Holmes detective skills to come up with that precision response. But well done exploring the confines of PPruNe by clicking on my profile, you ingenious so and so. It appears to be the preferred method here, evidently.
And does my background really matter? Jumping to the wrong conclusions is what some of you do very well, especially if I mention a carrier. Anwyay, indulge yourselves. It's amusing.
So you had a look at a post I had made regarding the selection process at Dragonair/Cathay Pacific to someone, because I wanted to make them aware of what to expect. So now I am waiting to be called? This is what you managed to come up with? Unbelievable.
I am intrigued as to what else your powers of deduction will come up with, but I anticipate futher disappointment. You guys are quite random, it's gibberish.
Guidance note: a person that is unsuccessful after completing a P2F program wouldn't be an advocate (Stop! Doesn't mean I did or didn't do it, though).
That is a very disappointing response. It pleases you if someone fails in getting a job, however they go about it? What a great guy.
I rarely make comments. I have a look now and then to see what you lot are talking about. A lot of you are serial posters that comment on almost anything. You must have used your Sherlock Holmes detective skills to come up with that precision response. But well done exploring the confines of PPruNe by clicking on my profile, you ingenious so and so. It appears to be the preferred method here, evidently.
And does my background really matter? Jumping to the wrong conclusions is what some of you do very well, especially if I mention a carrier. Anwyay, indulge yourselves. It's amusing.
So you had a look at a post I had made regarding the selection process at Dragonair/Cathay Pacific to someone, because I wanted to make them aware of what to expect. So now I am waiting to be called? This is what you managed to come up with? Unbelievable.
I am intrigued as to what else your powers of deduction will come up with, but I anticipate futher disappointment. You guys are quite random, it's gibberish.
Guidance note: a person that is unsuccessful after completing a P2F program wouldn't be an advocate (Stop! Doesn't mean I did or didn't do it, though).
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Well,
If you want to start a slinging match you can if you want. I won't reply to you point by point but you comment on ATC recruitment and farting problems? Maybe you should stick to what you know!
I don't wish anyone to be out of work but making comments saying I shouldn't take offence to people doing anything they can to secure employment is not only reckless but very immature. You just stick to your "I'm ok screw everyone else" mantra. People who try to get ahead by actually working and not spending money which will essentially deprive someone of employment as an FO are clearly smarter then?
Your happy to drop Easyjet into the conversation but don't even give us a clue as to who your with now. You don't have to be very specific. This is usually a tactic of people who are unwilling to share info but want to give an impression of credibility. (This does actually make you look like you did a P2F programme)
Even the moderator thinks your out of work. If the moderator is commenting about you then your credibility is suspect.
If the positions were round the other way and I was replying to the comment I made I would simply say that I am happily employed and glad to see you figured out how to look up my old posts. Your long winded reply is also a red flag.
The whole thing boils down to if your going to shout about how good P2F is you better be a person who is working in the industry right now. The only people I see saying how great P2F is are the people who have been conned into doing it and haven't figured out that it doesn't result in a job for the majority of people who do it.
If you want to start a slinging match you can if you want. I won't reply to you point by point but you comment on ATC recruitment and farting problems? Maybe you should stick to what you know!
I don't wish anyone to be out of work but making comments saying I shouldn't take offence to people doing anything they can to secure employment is not only reckless but very immature. You just stick to your "I'm ok screw everyone else" mantra. People who try to get ahead by actually working and not spending money which will essentially deprive someone of employment as an FO are clearly smarter then?
Your happy to drop Easyjet into the conversation but don't even give us a clue as to who your with now. You don't have to be very specific. This is usually a tactic of people who are unwilling to share info but want to give an impression of credibility. (This does actually make you look like you did a P2F programme)
Even the moderator thinks your out of work. If the moderator is commenting about you then your credibility is suspect.
If the positions were round the other way and I was replying to the comment I made I would simply say that I am happily employed and glad to see you figured out how to look up my old posts. Your long winded reply is also a red flag.
The whole thing boils down to if your going to shout about how good P2F is you better be a person who is working in the industry right now. The only people I see saying how great P2F is are the people who have been conned into doing it and haven't figured out that it doesn't result in a job for the majority of people who do it.
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500hrs A320
I too would like to know how to get the 500hrs on A320, I have 14,000hrs, 8000 boeing 744,767, 737 family 4000 Jet command, i was offered a A320 job if got a rating which I did and yes a risk and didnt pay off, but i have the same problem the companies dont seem to care of overall airline experience , just the 500 hour on type box needs to be ticked, how ?? ive been looking for 6 months and back flying boeing, and i was willing to GO R/H seat to get the hours but still cant get A320 , I only have FAA and ICAO licencesexperience seems worthless ,,, just the box ticking of time on type seems to be the issue