BA Future Pilot Programme (FPP)(Merged)
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Having read the FAQ's on BA's website, I offer this:
So British Airways are not Promising anything, all they are saying is this. If you are good enough, pass everything to their standards and they have a place they will offer you a job.
This sounds very similar to the Easyjet scheme earlier this year, you will end up with a Type Rating, but may not end up with a job. Seems BA cannot lose
12. What happens to me if I fail during training?
Airline Placement Limited, the recruitment company that will be sponsoring the cadet pilots through the Future Pilot Programme, is very experienced in the management of cadet training. They have a wealth of expertise in this field and will work collaboratively with British Airways, the FTO and the cadet pilot should it be felt that a cadet pilot is not achieving the high standards required of the Future Pilot Programme. If further additional training does not lead to a cadet pilot reaching the required Future Pilot Programme standard then there may be several options available, ranging from continuing training but outside of the Future Pilot Programme, to ceasing training altogether.
If training is ceased altogether, a cadet pilot may be eligible for a partial refund of their security bond as described in the sponsorship agreement. Any refund will be in accordance with the relevant FTO’s failure protection policy, as may be identified on their individual websites. Please refer to the individual FTOs for precise information about their failure protection policy.
Please rest assured that the best interests of the cadet pilot would be at the heart of any decisions made during the rare, but difficult, time that training may be ceased. APL will make further information on the topic of failure and failure protection available to candidates who are successful through the Future Pilot Programme selection process and selected for sponsorship.
13. When do I start earning a salary? How much will that be?
The Future Pilot Programme involves completing all flight and simulator training, up to and including the type rating licence skills test (LST), as a cadet pilot and during that time the cadet pilot is not an employee of British Airways, APL or the FTO, and no salary is earned.
If a cadet pilot successfully completes all training to the required standards, and pilot vacancies at British Airways exist at that time, they will be offered an unconditional offer of employment as a first officer. From that point on the cadet pilot will become a permanent employee of British Airways Plc.
The year 1 basic salary for a Future Pilot Programme first officer is £22,000, with a further £8-£10,000 of flying allowances typically being earned in a full year of flying (please note that these allowances are not guaranteed and are subject to levels and type of flying completed). Remember that as well as pay and allowances, British Airways will pay you back your security bond, tax–free, at the rate of £12,000 per year for the first seven years of your employment as a pilot.
13. What happens if British Airways does not require pilots at the time of my completing training?
We are launching the Future Pilot Programme because we foresee demand in our business plans for a number of cadet pilots in the years to come. That said, we, like many companies, are vulnerable to world and economic events that could cause our recruitment plans to change.
Should this happen and we find there are likely to be delays in employing cadet pilots upon their completion of training we will contact those affected and keep them fully up to date with the situation and our plans.
Airline Placement Limited, the recruitment company that will be sponsoring the cadet pilots through the Future Pilot Programme, is very experienced in the management of cadet training. They have a wealth of expertise in this field and will work collaboratively with British Airways, the FTO and the cadet pilot should it be felt that a cadet pilot is not achieving the high standards required of the Future Pilot Programme. If further additional training does not lead to a cadet pilot reaching the required Future Pilot Programme standard then there may be several options available, ranging from continuing training but outside of the Future Pilot Programme, to ceasing training altogether.
If training is ceased altogether, a cadet pilot may be eligible for a partial refund of their security bond as described in the sponsorship agreement. Any refund will be in accordance with the relevant FTO’s failure protection policy, as may be identified on their individual websites. Please refer to the individual FTOs for precise information about their failure protection policy.
Please rest assured that the best interests of the cadet pilot would be at the heart of any decisions made during the rare, but difficult, time that training may be ceased. APL will make further information on the topic of failure and failure protection available to candidates who are successful through the Future Pilot Programme selection process and selected for sponsorship.
13. When do I start earning a salary? How much will that be?
The Future Pilot Programme involves completing all flight and simulator training, up to and including the type rating licence skills test (LST), as a cadet pilot and during that time the cadet pilot is not an employee of British Airways, APL or the FTO, and no salary is earned.
If a cadet pilot successfully completes all training to the required standards, and pilot vacancies at British Airways exist at that time, they will be offered an unconditional offer of employment as a first officer. From that point on the cadet pilot will become a permanent employee of British Airways Plc.
The year 1 basic salary for a Future Pilot Programme first officer is £22,000, with a further £8-£10,000 of flying allowances typically being earned in a full year of flying (please note that these allowances are not guaranteed and are subject to levels and type of flying completed). Remember that as well as pay and allowances, British Airways will pay you back your security bond, tax–free, at the rate of £12,000 per year for the first seven years of your employment as a pilot.
13. What happens if British Airways does not require pilots at the time of my completing training?
We are launching the Future Pilot Programme because we foresee demand in our business plans for a number of cadet pilots in the years to come. That said, we, like many companies, are vulnerable to world and economic events that could cause our recruitment plans to change.
Should this happen and we find there are likely to be delays in employing cadet pilots upon their completion of training we will contact those affected and keep them fully up to date with the situation and our plans.
This sounds very similar to the Easyjet scheme earlier this year, you will end up with a Type Rating, but may not end up with a job. Seems BA cannot lose
Ford Cortina-not wrong
Nah, not you're not wrong, but you're certainly not right either.
BA have an exemplary record of employment. We're not talking T&C's here and the fact that all employees of a large company occasionally have a grievance with their employer but the fact that BA have never made pilots redundant through very lean previous times. When there were no pilot vacancies in the past BA still employed those graduates in some position or other (usually c/c, sometimes overseas station staff or some such) until vacancies occurred. If you were to guarantee a job two or three years down the road in any economic climate and then not actually offer it on the day the lawyers would be rubbing their hands and queuing up even now. Put simply, BA just can't do that from may perspectives, business, legal and moral.
This has already been spelled out on this thread more than once but-judging by your moniker-you live in the distant past. This isn't P2F with a company that has been around a mere 30 years or so. This scheme is about as gold plated as you can get, and no more and almost no less than the previous schemes dating back to when you were firing on all four and not belching black smoke obscuring everyone's vision.
Allow others to read the complete thread and stop looking for potholes where the road has been newly surfaced.
BA have an exemplary record of employment. We're not talking T&C's here and the fact that all employees of a large company occasionally have a grievance with their employer but the fact that BA have never made pilots redundant through very lean previous times. When there were no pilot vacancies in the past BA still employed those graduates in some position or other (usually c/c, sometimes overseas station staff or some such) until vacancies occurred. If you were to guarantee a job two or three years down the road in any economic climate and then not actually offer it on the day the lawyers would be rubbing their hands and queuing up even now. Put simply, BA just can't do that from may perspectives, business, legal and moral.
This has already been spelled out on this thread more than once but-judging by your moniker-you live in the distant past. This isn't P2F with a company that has been around a mere 30 years or so. This scheme is about as gold plated as you can get, and no more and almost no less than the previous schemes dating back to when you were firing on all four and not belching black smoke obscuring everyone's vision.
Allow others to read the complete thread and stop looking for potholes where the road has been newly surfaced.
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Future Pilot Programme
Ref UKLHR1388 Region UK - Heathrow Location London - Heathrow Category Technical & Operations Unfortunately, the job you are looking for is no longer being advertised.
So yes... closed after... 10 days? Weird... because they said they would e-mail us, so that the ones who had not completed the application had enough time to do so...
Well guys, let's start the battle.
Future Pilot Programme
Ref UKLHR1388 Region UK - Heathrow Location London - Heathrow Category Technical & Operations Unfortunately, the job you are looking for is no longer being advertised.
So yes... closed after... 10 days? Weird... because they said they would e-mail us, so that the ones who had not completed the application had enough time to do so...
Well guys, let's start the battle.
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Prubino - sorry to sound bitter, but what doubts could you possibly need clarifying? Myself and no doubt many others have had no problems at all, the form serves its purpose well. The application form is self-explanatory and acts as an extra filter to sift out those who can't follow basic instructions nor have a good enough grasp of english.
Use your inititive as the window could close very VERY soon, possibly before BA take the effort to reply to trivia; tick-tock my friend.
Use your inititive as the window could close very VERY soon, possibly before BA take the effort to reply to trivia; tick-tock my friend.
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Prubino, their contact number was displayed right after you've submitted the application. I don't think there is any chance to email them - without any email. So I suggest ring them up.
I have the same problem with this letter of comparibility! I studied in Melbourne and did the international baccalaureate which is supposed to be recognised across the world, except not at BA :-/
I submitted my app on August 26th and still waiting for a reply. However, dont know if I should bother about this comparibility letter now or when they get back to me.
I have the same problem with this letter of comparibility! I studied in Melbourne and did the international baccalaureate which is supposed to be recognised across the world, except not at BA :-/
I submitted my app on August 26th and still waiting for a reply. However, dont know if I should bother about this comparibility letter now or when they get back to me.
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Prubino: Ah right, that doesnt affect me, my appologies. Due to my guilt for being blunt, I have done some research for you and all the other 'foreigners' 
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UK NARIC provides a service whereby qualifications from outside the UK are compared to the UK's qualification frameworks.
No other organisation offers our unique blend of products and services:
....the statement you quoted earlier suggests that they WILL NOT provide a like-for-like comparison on grades achieved...but rather a like-for-like in academic level studied....i.e. A-level vs. IB vs. High-school diploma etc.... That is all you will need as BA are capable to work out what A, B, C, D or 90%, 80%, 70% means....
As a general guide, you could look at the UCAS (University entrance website) as the provide a table that compares the worlds academic standards....
LHA649: BA will recognise the IB, we can study it here in the UK as an alternative to A-levels....
I hope this helps guys....
:UK NARIC provides a service whereby qualifications from outside the UK are compared to the UK's qualification frameworks.
No other organisation offers our unique blend of products and services:
- Services for individuals: UK NARIC is the first step for anyone planning to study or work in the UK. Every year over 70,000 people from overseas contact us to understand how their qualifications relate to those in the UK. This information is then used by individuals to help them through the UK's immigration system, applying for a job in the UK or enroll on an education course
....the statement you quoted earlier suggests that they WILL NOT provide a like-for-like comparison on grades achieved...but rather a like-for-like in academic level studied....i.e. A-level vs. IB vs. High-school diploma etc.... That is all you will need as BA are capable to work out what A, B, C, D or 90%, 80%, 70% means....As a general guide, you could look at the UCAS (University entrance website) as the provide a table that compares the worlds academic standards....
LHA649: BA will recognise the IB, we can study it here in the UK as an alternative to A-levels....
I hope this helps guys....
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Unfortunately I don't think I meet the academic qualifications.
I'm from Queensland, Australia and hold a Year 10 QLD Junior Certificate (equivalent to UK GCSE perhaps?). I left Queensland before completing Year 12 Senior Certificate.
QLD Junior Certificate (grades range from "Very Low Achievement" (VLA) to Low Achievement (LA), Sound Achievement (SA) to High (HA) to the highest grade of Very High Achievement VHA, which I guess you could say is equivalent to an A grade.
My grades:
Junior Certificate
English SA
Mathematics HA
Science VHA
Shop A (woodwork) SA
Shop B (metalwork) SA
Graphics SA
GCSEs
Maths C
English B
Chemistry B
Biology C
Physics C
A-levels
Biology C
Chemistry C
Physics D
Degree
BSc (hons) Biochemistry (3rd class)
I also have a U.K. National Vocational Qualification (NVQ) Level 3 in Management, but I assume this doesn't count for anything. I am told this is equivalent to 2 A-levels.
What do you think? Do I even meet the "minimum 7 GCSE grades". Even if I do I would have to re-do A-levels and aim for two B grades.
I'm from Queensland, Australia and hold a Year 10 QLD Junior Certificate (equivalent to UK GCSE perhaps?). I left Queensland before completing Year 12 Senior Certificate.
QLD Junior Certificate (grades range from "Very Low Achievement" (VLA) to Low Achievement (LA), Sound Achievement (SA) to High (HA) to the highest grade of Very High Achievement VHA, which I guess you could say is equivalent to an A grade.
My grades:
Junior Certificate
English SA
Mathematics HA
Science VHA
Shop A (woodwork) SA
Shop B (metalwork) SA
Graphics SA
GCSEs
Maths C
English B
Chemistry B
Biology C
Physics C
A-levels
Biology C
Chemistry C
Physics D
Degree
BSc (hons) Biochemistry (3rd class)
I also have a U.K. National Vocational Qualification (NVQ) Level 3 in Management, but I assume this doesn't count for anything. I am told this is equivalent to 2 A-levels.
What do you think? Do I even meet the "minimum 7 GCSE grades". Even if I do I would have to re-do A-levels and aim for two B grades.
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I wonder if this means that BA haven't received quite as many applicants as they thought they might what with all the warnings of closing early. I'm sure there are still thousands and thousands of applicants though.
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I remember reading somewhere that Cathay's cadet scheme - one that was fully international - still only attracted around 10,000 applicants a year or something, and that was fully funded! The £90-95k price tag of this scheme is probably enough to put those people off who are not all that interested in flying. There will still have been a large pent-up demand of people who have wanted to go into training since 2007 but could not as unsecured lending dried up and it takes a long time to save up that sort of cash!! My guess would be around 2,000 applicants.
It would be interesting to see the spread of applicants by school. I read that the FTO phase of selection would start in October so I would imagine successful applicants at the first hurdle would not hear anything until towards the end of September. You'll hear about it here first no doubt.....
It would be interesting to see the spread of applicants by school. I read that the FTO phase of selection would start in October so I would imagine successful applicants at the first hurdle would not hear anything until towards the end of September. You'll hear about it here first no doubt.....
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Will it continue in the next years?
Dear all,
I planned to apply to this programme in the next year, because I could left my current job only in June, 2012 (due to my contract...). I read everywhere, the program will recruit 400 rookie pilots (from the 800 total) until 2016, but according to the bafuturepilot.com site, they will close the applications at Friday.
What do you think? They found enough wannabe pilots, or the BA will continue this recruitment programme for the new pilots in next year?
I planned to apply to this programme in the next year, because I could left my current job only in June, 2012 (due to my contract...). I read everywhere, the program will recruit 400 rookie pilots (from the 800 total) until 2016, but according to the bafuturepilot.com site, they will close the applications at Friday.
What do you think? They found enough wannabe pilots, or the BA will continue this recruitment programme for the new pilots in next year?
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The plan as far as I'm aware is to take the 400 cadets in tranches over the time period.
Seeing as the first are starting in 2012, the last in 2016, this would imply
400 cadets / 4 years = 100 cadets per year.
The schools would probably not want to train much more than this number, and BA will want a staggered and steady increase in pilots to match the arrival of new aircraft. So you're fairly safe waiting until the next tranche.
Seeing as the first are starting in 2012, the last in 2016, this would imply
400 cadets / 4 years = 100 cadets per year.
The schools would probably not want to train much more than this number, and BA will want a staggered and steady increase in pilots to match the arrival of new aircraft. So you're fairly safe waiting until the next tranche.
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Can someone provide some tips in the financial part? How will you get a good loan of 84.000p as a student? If selected, are everyone guaranteed a loan from BBVA? 
Since they say EVERYONE who are suitable will be able to train, regardless of your financial situation..
Thanks
Since they say EVERYONE who are suitable will be able to train, regardless of your financial situation..
Thanks
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Last in 2015 not 16. Last application process would be 2014.
BBVA will only provide the loan to you if you/your parents can provide an asset (house) against which to guarantee the loan. If you have a mortgage already on the house, the mortgage PLUS the loan can only come to 60% of the house value. However, if you are not able to do this BA MIGHT guarantee the loan for you but only if you can pass a credit check. This has already been discussed earlier in the thread.
BBVA will only provide the loan to you if you/your parents can provide an asset (house) against which to guarantee the loan. If you have a mortgage already on the house, the mortgage PLUS the loan can only come to 60% of the house value. However, if you are not able to do this BA MIGHT guarantee the loan for you but only if you can pass a credit check. This has already been discussed earlier in the thread.
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Ok thanks!
The problem might be that Im from Scandinavia.. so my parents dont have a property in the UK... U have any idea how they would do a credit check if Im Scandinavian?
The problem might be that Im from Scandinavia.. so my parents dont have a property in the UK... U have any idea how they would do a credit check if Im Scandinavian?