Will I ever get a break?
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There is no doubt that over the last couple of years that the recruitment policy of a few airlines and the criteria of guys getting there first job has changed.
However, on saying that, and with all due respect, you must approach this with your eyes wide open. If anyone ever asks me for advice with respect to getting you first job, you must have a back up plan. Very few people will walk straight into an airline job. If you appreciate this before you start your training you will not be disappointed when the time comes on obtaining your first job. Sadly few people realise this, and like you become disheartened at a very early stage. You will find many who post on these forums have ridden the roller coaster and waited years to get their first job, so, again with all due respect, waiting for a few months since the end of last year will not draw much sympathy.
As well as working hard to get your licences you have to work equally as hard to get your first job, which sometimes, may involve doing things that you do not want to do. Sadly just because you have busted your butt getting that little blue book, does not automatically give you the right to employment. You and hundreds of others are in the same boat.
Scoring the goal and getting that job you desire will be based on making mature and sensible decisions. It is also worth making as many contacts as possible within the business and gaining their respect, which will do you no harm. Of course this takes time and patience, and some people do not have these qualities therefore it leads to frustration, however, that is life and the quicker you learn this, the easier it will be.
This comment from Coffin Corner I do not agree with, it is not complete bollox as he or she puts it. Life is a funny thing, and will present you with all sorts of twists and turns. However, with the correct tools, skills and a positive attitude eventually if you do want it badly enough, you will succeed.
Try not to get frustrated and be positive. I know it is a tough mix, most of us guys have been there, but it is worth it in the end.
All the best.
However, on saying that, and with all due respect, you must approach this with your eyes wide open. If anyone ever asks me for advice with respect to getting you first job, you must have a back up plan. Very few people will walk straight into an airline job. If you appreciate this before you start your training you will not be disappointed when the time comes on obtaining your first job. Sadly few people realise this, and like you become disheartened at a very early stage. You will find many who post on these forums have ridden the roller coaster and waited years to get their first job, so, again with all due respect, waiting for a few months since the end of last year will not draw much sympathy.
As well as working hard to get your licences you have to work equally as hard to get your first job, which sometimes, may involve doing things that you do not want to do. Sadly just because you have busted your butt getting that little blue book, does not automatically give you the right to employment. You and hundreds of others are in the same boat.
Scoring the goal and getting that job you desire will be based on making mature and sensible decisions. It is also worth making as many contacts as possible within the business and gaining their respect, which will do you no harm. Of course this takes time and patience, and some people do not have these qualities therefore it leads to frustration, however, that is life and the quicker you learn this, the easier it will be.
please, please, please do not listen to advice that tells you "if you want it bad enough you'll get there". This is complete b0llox.
Try not to get frustrated and be positive. I know it is a tough mix, most of us guys have been there, but it is worth it in the end.
All the best.
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How can you say he trained at the right time? Of course at the height of the boom is the wrong time as well. The problem with alot of wannabes today is that they simply do not research. During the worst recession in history the flight schools were loaded with students, despite all the advice that is available on here etc etc. You also cannot say that he has had an interview already when this interview was with Ryanair. Whilst I am not turning this into a Ryanair bashing thread, you cannot judge anything on the back of what Ryanair does or gives out. If he had an interview with Eastern, bmi Regional, BMI, Thomas Cook, Flybe, Monarch etc then I would share your view (to a point). If the only option of sitting in the right hand seat is with Ryanair then this most definitely does not dictate that he did his training at the right time.
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So help me with this. During boom time there is on average 250-300 new jobs created per year (PPRuNe got this figure from the CAA). out of the flight schools come on average 1200 wannabes per year (PPRuNe got this figure from the CAA). If you advise them all that "if you want it bad enough you'll get it" where are the other 900 jobs coming from? Are you seriously telling me it is good advice to be telling vulnerable wannabes that "if you want it bad enough you'll get it"? More people will never make it than those that will make it, that is a fact. You can tell them to chase their dreams all you want, but if the jobs aren't there they will never, ever make it - fact.
During my training I met some fantastic people, most, if not all were very dedicated. Out of the 40 odd people I met during my training only 5 of us got jobs, and one of those was only recently. This was in the middle of the recruitment boom in the mid 2000's
I would however, say that you need a positive mental attitude and determination, but this does not mean success like most people tell you.
Please wannabes, do not listen to this nonsensical notion that "wanting it" will see you succeed, it won't. Do your research, then when you think you have researched to death, do some more.
How can you say he trained at the right time? Of course at the height of the boom is the wrong time as well. The problem with alot of wannabes today is that they simply do not research. During the worst recession in history the flight schools were loaded with students, despite all the advice that is available on here etc etc. You also cannot say that he has had an interview already when this interview was with Ryanair. Whilst I am not turning this into a Ryanair bashing thread, you cannot judge anything on the back of what Ryanair does or gives out. If he had an interview with Eastern, bmi Regional, BMI, Thomas Cook, Flybe, Monarch etc then I would share your view (to a point). If the only option of sitting in the right hand seat is with Ryanair then this most definitely does not dictate that he did his training at the right time.
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So help me with this. During boom time there is on average 250-300 new jobs created per year (PPRuNe got this figure from the CAA). out of the flight schools come on average 1200 wannabes per year (PPRuNe got this figure from the CAA). If you advise them all that "if you want it bad enough you'll get it" where are the other 900 jobs coming from? Are you seriously telling me it is good advice to be telling vulnerable wannabes that "if you want it bad enough you'll get it"? More people will never make it than those that will make it, that is a fact. You can tell them to chase their dreams all you want, but if the jobs aren't there they will never, ever make it - fact.
During my training I met some fantastic people, most, if not all were very dedicated. Out of the 40 odd people I met during my training only 5 of us got jobs, and one of those was only recently. This was in the middle of the recruitment boom in the mid 2000's
I would however, say that you need a positive mental attitude and determination, but this does not mean success like most people tell you.
Please wannabes, do not listen to this nonsensical notion that "wanting it" will see you succeed, it won't. Do your research, then when you think you have researched to death, do some more.
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Coffin corner, I guess you have a point.
However, if we really have to talk about the "right time" as you call it, I would say in the 20s: in addition to become a pioneer, you could become a fighter pilot during WW2, then a super constellation pilot in the 50s, then a jet captain in the 60s before retirement.
But definitely not after 2007, for different reasons I already explained on pprune (energy price).
I could be wrong, but for me starting your training in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014... that's all the same: hard time to come. Some interesting career path remain if you include light aircraft and bush flying though.
However, if we really have to talk about the "right time" as you call it, I would say in the 20s: in addition to become a pioneer, you could become a fighter pilot during WW2, then a super constellation pilot in the 50s, then a jet captain in the 60s before retirement.
But definitely not after 2007, for different reasons I already explained on pprune (energy price).
I could be wrong, but for me starting your training in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014... that's all the same: hard time to come. Some interesting career path remain if you include light aircraft and bush flying though.
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You should have been surprised if you did get a break after only 6 months.
I have no sympathy for anyone who started training in recent years, unless on a tagged scheme. Undertaking commercial flight training in one of the worst recessions for 80 years could only be considered ultra high risk, and your post should serve as a warning to today's crop of lemmings.
I would, however, caution against flight instructing. I believe that it is now a vocation that you can only do if you genuinely want to. Not so long ago, it was considered by many to be a necessary step (evil?) to building time but the tables have completely changed and consequently using the FI route as a stepping stone to airlines may leave you heavily disappointed.
I have no sympathy for anyone who started training in recent years, unless on a tagged scheme. Undertaking commercial flight training in one of the worst recessions for 80 years could only be considered ultra high risk, and your post should serve as a warning to today's crop of lemmings.
I would, however, caution against flight instructing. I believe that it is now a vocation that you can only do if you genuinely want to. Not so long ago, it was considered by many to be a necessary step (evil?) to building time but the tables have completely changed and consequently using the FI route as a stepping stone to airlines may leave you heavily disappointed.
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Coffin Corner,
I am not suggesting that all candidates that qualify as commercial pilots will walk into the profession. Personally, I do not know, or have factual statistical data from PPRUNE or the CAA, however, my comments were drawn from experience.
All candidates that qualify come from a broad spectrum of back rounds, and will have different reasons for wanting to do the job. Throughout my instructing days I saw many people go through the process of obtaining their licences, and on occasion it was evident that some of these people just did not have the personality traits or the right attitude of a professional pilot. As a result of that, that struggled to get a job. Others would get frustrated and give up very early on, and it was obvious that they did not have that special ingredient in their blood to persist. I even came across some people who got the job, and then decided it bored them to tears and resigned! While I was going through my ATPL ground school, every person that was in the class, through one way or another is now employed. Of course, a lot of this is based on timing. I appreciate now is not a good time!
What I am trying to emphasise, and once again I am only really looking at it from a view point I have from my own experience, is approach the task with an open mind, and a carefully thought out plan. Myself and a few others I know, took 10 years plus to get our first jobs, and it wasn't just luck, it was a result of climbing a big mountain with plenty of obstacles to over come. I guess I get mildly irritated when people are negative, as I had plenty of negativity from others when I was going through the process, only to realise now what they were telling me was nonsense, and a result of their own frustration.
It is difficult to advise people in today's climate, as you and I who have now secured our first jobs, are only trying to share our experience. Of course that experience is broad in the sense everybody has a different story. I like to encourage people who show a passion for aviation, and used to thrive on it when I was teaching. I am a realist and would not want to give anyone duff gen, however I still believe with the right tools in your tool box, you stand a pretty good chance of getting employed.
I am not suggesting that all candidates that qualify as commercial pilots will walk into the profession. Personally, I do not know, or have factual statistical data from PPRUNE or the CAA, however, my comments were drawn from experience.
All candidates that qualify come from a broad spectrum of back rounds, and will have different reasons for wanting to do the job. Throughout my instructing days I saw many people go through the process of obtaining their licences, and on occasion it was evident that some of these people just did not have the personality traits or the right attitude of a professional pilot. As a result of that, that struggled to get a job. Others would get frustrated and give up very early on, and it was obvious that they did not have that special ingredient in their blood to persist. I even came across some people who got the job, and then decided it bored them to tears and resigned! While I was going through my ATPL ground school, every person that was in the class, through one way or another is now employed. Of course, a lot of this is based on timing. I appreciate now is not a good time!
What I am trying to emphasise, and once again I am only really looking at it from a view point I have from my own experience, is approach the task with an open mind, and a carefully thought out plan. Myself and a few others I know, took 10 years plus to get our first jobs, and it wasn't just luck, it was a result of climbing a big mountain with plenty of obstacles to over come. I guess I get mildly irritated when people are negative, as I had plenty of negativity from others when I was going through the process, only to realise now what they were telling me was nonsense, and a result of their own frustration.
It is difficult to advise people in today's climate, as you and I who have now secured our first jobs, are only trying to share our experience. Of course that experience is broad in the sense everybody has a different story. I like to encourage people who show a passion for aviation, and used to thrive on it when I was teaching. I am a realist and would not want to give anyone duff gen, however I still believe with the right tools in your tool box, you stand a pretty good chance of getting employed.
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Flyvirgin - Six months is not long. I know it's painful waiting, but that's life. But could one of the reasons you got knocked back be because of your spelling? But I digress, what is really concerning is that you feel that you'll be letting your friends and family down. Why? For some perverse reason you've decided to try and get a job in an industry where victim supply vastly outstrips demand. If you walk away you won't be letting them down - but I do hope you haven't borrowed money from them.
But if you do stick around, what you'll have to do is keep doing the rounds and constantly add things to your CV, like HollingworthP has suggested. Adding French, German or Spanish as a language is probably worth a year's flying. It would also be great fun learning as well. The more mundane additions (but very useful) could be a St John's Ambulance First Aid course. Things like this separate you from the others - because as you are finding out, pilots are two-a-penny. It's the non-flying things that are really important.
And regarding Neptunus Rex's post -
Well that's understood, but was he ginger?
But if you do stick around, what you'll have to do is keep doing the rounds and constantly add things to your CV, like HollingworthP has suggested. Adding French, German or Spanish as a language is probably worth a year's flying. It would also be great fun learning as well. The more mundane additions (but very useful) could be a St John's Ambulance First Aid course. Things like this separate you from the others - because as you are finding out, pilots are two-a-penny. It's the non-flying things that are really important.
And regarding Neptunus Rex's post -
And he wears glasses!
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Very good advice from a number of regular posters. I didn't catch how old you are or your family circumstances, but if time is on your side I suggest you get any job you can within the industry. Try someone like Navtech who make the Aerad charts - they take on lots of pilots waiting for their first break.
Very good advice from a number of regular posters. I didn't catch how old you are or your family circumstances, but if time is on your side I suggest you get any job you can within the industry. Try someone like Navtech who make the Aerad charts - they take on lots of pilots waiting for their first break.
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Guys/Gals
Thank your so much for all your feedback so far, Its been most helpful,
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Thankfully I dont owe no money to my family or friends, I was lucky enough to save and self fund my training,
Kind Regards,
Flyvirgin
Thank your so much for all your feedback so far, Its been most helpful,
Piltdown Man
Thankfully I dont owe no money to my family or friends, I was lucky enough to save and self fund my training,
Kind Regards,
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I'd just like to insert something here which I'm sure has been said before. Often people mention the idea of Bush flying as a means of hour/experience building so I thought I'd do some research into this. It would appear it's a highly skilled form of flying (not that flying isn't skilled normally), but it takes a certain kind of a pilot to have the ability and confidence to do it. It's quite different to buzzing around the the UK. Interesting flying, but risky and challenging. So I don't think it should be floated as a "I'll just do some bush flying" scenario. No offence intended to anyone, just saying what I've seen.
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Well you have a point - I wasn't saying people that fly jets are unskilled. I was just saying that Bush flying is a totally different ball game. It's one thing flying a c172 or a pa28 VFR around the UK, with ATC and D&D etc. Out in the Bush you can be flying for hours without anyone around, and the risk of downing with no chance of help. I did my initial training from a 700m nway, 2500agl and daily temperatures of 34c and it was tough, and we didn't often go further than 50nm from the field. Yes we should all be trained to a high standard, but in the UK we don't get trained in survival techniques, fighting off wild animals and dehydration 
Personally I wouldn't consider it without some major concerns, and I highly doubt I'm alone in saying that.
Personally I wouldn't consider it without some major concerns, and I highly doubt I'm alone in saying that.
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eh, when I finished my CPL i moved bush and started there. not sure if that is an option for you, but you can basically forget about anything airline related.
go get 1500hrs first as other have said, then try again
go get 1500hrs first as other have said, then try again
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lol @ disuading wannabe's
skimming this thread does make me laugh a little.
not at the frustration of struggling to find a job.
but... when people try to issue 'good' advice to wannabes about the highly competitive cut-throat nature of this proffession.
and advising people to do research before embarking on what everyone knows is the coolest career known to man (and woman) kind lol
as if.... you can expect a wannabe, to read this 'dont follow your dreams' advice and actually take it...
the very definition of 'wannabe' = want to be.... even if i couldnt get a flying job, and even if it took a while, i'd still chase the dream... til i die, because i love flying too much!!!
anyone who disuades wannabe's, or advises them against this career.... forgive me, but it just seems like they are eliminating the competition to improve their chances...... the reason i think this... because thats what i would do, if i had to!.... which i dont..... coz im a jet pilot
and ps: Adam, keep plugging away old chap!!
not at the frustration of struggling to find a job.
but... when people try to issue 'good' advice to wannabes about the highly competitive cut-throat nature of this proffession.
and advising people to do research before embarking on what everyone knows is the coolest career known to man (and woman) kind lol
as if.... you can expect a wannabe, to read this 'dont follow your dreams' advice and actually take it...
the very definition of 'wannabe' = want to be.... even if i couldnt get a flying job, and even if it took a while, i'd still chase the dream... til i die, because i love flying too much!!!
anyone who disuades wannabe's, or advises them against this career.... forgive me, but it just seems like they are eliminating the competition to improve their chances...... the reason i think this... because thats what i would do, if i had to!.... which i dont..... coz im a jet pilot
and ps: Adam, keep plugging away old chap!!
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You just had a drink or something? There is something in your post, a funny tone...
Your post is the very proof there is no harm in making people aware.
as if.... you can expect a wannabe, to read this 'dont follow your dreams' advice and actually take it...
the very definition of 'wannabe' = want to be.... even if i couldnt get a flying job, and even if it took a while, i'd still chase the dream... til i die, because i love flying too much!!!
the very definition of 'wannabe' = want to be.... even if i couldnt get a flying job, and even if it took a while, i'd still chase the dream... til i die, because i love flying too much!!!
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Dreams are fine David. However one persons dream can be another persons nightmare. Similarly, like love and hate, there can often be a very fine line dividing the two. Dreams are often an escape from a much more mundane reality. Dreams don't put food on the table, or a roof over your head.
There is nothing wrong with dreams as a blueprint for a succesful future, but it the construction of that future that requires a less etherial methodology.
I can tell you that "skimming" through some of these threads, it is painfully obvious that there are a vast number of people who will for all sorts of reasons, never have a realistic likelyhood of achieving what they profess to be their "dream". However some will, and some will at least provide a customer base for flying schools in one form or another.
Whilst it is certainly true that a lot of people simply use these forums to "shout" (for want of a better word) into the wind, there are others that ask serious questions, or genuinely want the benefit of other peoples experience or opinion.
I couldn't care less whether anybody reads what I write, or ignores it. It is offered from the basis of my experience. If that helps somebody in their research then great, because that is the intention.
Flying as a career is often an eye wateringly expensive and risky game. Despite the impression you might draw from reading some of these forums, the realities of life usually result in significant attrition before anyone really dips a toe in the water.
What you term "dissuasion" is often somebody providing a reality check. To an obsessive or compulsive, it is very unlikely to make any difference. Try telling the person on state benefits that they shouldn't sensibly be blowing £30 a week on scratch cards or lottery tickets.
The people most likely to succeed are the ones who are intelligent, adaptable, discriminatory and mature. They are also the ones most likely to do a lot of their own research, and be able to make good sensible decisions by using any advice gleaned from that research, in the manner they see fit.
There is nothing wrong with dreams as a blueprint for a succesful future, but it the construction of that future that requires a less etherial methodology.
I can tell you that "skimming" through some of these threads, it is painfully obvious that there are a vast number of people who will for all sorts of reasons, never have a realistic likelyhood of achieving what they profess to be their "dream". However some will, and some will at least provide a customer base for flying schools in one form or another.
Whilst it is certainly true that a lot of people simply use these forums to "shout" (for want of a better word) into the wind, there are others that ask serious questions, or genuinely want the benefit of other peoples experience or opinion.
I couldn't care less whether anybody reads what I write, or ignores it. It is offered from the basis of my experience. If that helps somebody in their research then great, because that is the intention.
Flying as a career is often an eye wateringly expensive and risky game. Despite the impression you might draw from reading some of these forums, the realities of life usually result in significant attrition before anyone really dips a toe in the water.
What you term "dissuasion" is often somebody providing a reality check. To an obsessive or compulsive, it is very unlikely to make any difference. Try telling the person on state benefits that they shouldn't sensibly be blowing £30 a week on scratch cards or lottery tickets.
The people most likely to succeed are the ones who are intelligent, adaptable, discriminatory and mature. They are also the ones most likely to do a lot of their own research, and be able to make good sensible decisions by using any advice gleaned from that research, in the manner they see fit.
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I couldn't care less whether anybody reads what I write, or ignores it. It is offered from the basis of my experience. If that helps somebody in their research then great, because that is the intention.
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My view is that:
1. If you are passionate about flying, a recession is not going to stop you undertaking commercial training. Yes we are in the worst commercial conditions in our lifetime but studying during a recession may not be the worst decision anyone has ever made. After all if there are no jobs around and no money to be made perhaps training is the best thing to be doing for when things do pick up?
2. If you do decide to jump in the deep end and obtain your fATPL now be under no illusion that there are several thousand pilots with jet time ahead of the queue so you will have a significant wait before you with your low time logbook gets a look in
3. If you know someone with connections to an airline you jump the queue and have nothing to worry about if you are personable and can pass a simcheck
4. Lots of unemployed pilots on here will try their very best to put of wannabe pilots as the fewer there are on the market the better their chances of getting a job
5. Lots of honest people on here trying to put wannabe pilots off because the aviation world is dire at present
6. Do we really believe conditions for pilots will ever get better? I do not, I believe they will get worse jobs abound or otherwise, this industry has changed for good and those days of left seating a 707 on whopping salaries and perks are gone forever so accept that you can get paid twice as much driving a train than you can driving a plane and do it only because you are passionate about flying not because you want to be well paid and live a glamourous lifestyle, those days are gone for good
In essence, in my opinion you should learn to fly commercially if you really do get excited every time you line up for take off. If you think it would simply be cool to be a pilot and pull a few girls forget it, go get a job that has prospects and impress them with your fat wallet
All of my comments are purely my personal opinion and I must point out I am not in the commercial pilot job market although i do have all the relevant qualifications to allow me to comment fairly
1. If you are passionate about flying, a recession is not going to stop you undertaking commercial training. Yes we are in the worst commercial conditions in our lifetime but studying during a recession may not be the worst decision anyone has ever made. After all if there are no jobs around and no money to be made perhaps training is the best thing to be doing for when things do pick up?
2. If you do decide to jump in the deep end and obtain your fATPL now be under no illusion that there are several thousand pilots with jet time ahead of the queue so you will have a significant wait before you with your low time logbook gets a look in
3. If you know someone with connections to an airline you jump the queue and have nothing to worry about if you are personable and can pass a simcheck
4. Lots of unemployed pilots on here will try their very best to put of wannabe pilots as the fewer there are on the market the better their chances of getting a job
5. Lots of honest people on here trying to put wannabe pilots off because the aviation world is dire at present
6. Do we really believe conditions for pilots will ever get better? I do not, I believe they will get worse jobs abound or otherwise, this industry has changed for good and those days of left seating a 707 on whopping salaries and perks are gone forever so accept that you can get paid twice as much driving a train than you can driving a plane and do it only because you are passionate about flying not because you want to be well paid and live a glamourous lifestyle, those days are gone for good
In essence, in my opinion you should learn to fly commercially if you really do get excited every time you line up for take off. If you think it would simply be cool to be a pilot and pull a few girls forget it, go get a job that has prospects and impress them with your fat wallet
All of my comments are purely my personal opinion and I must point out I am not in the commercial pilot job market although i do have all the relevant qualifications to allow me to comment fairly
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Hi Guys,
I have booked a couple of weeks off work next month,
I plan to use this this to travel to as many Airports, Head offices, flying clubs as I can, to personally hand out my CV,
I see this as a way of getting myself noticed, getting to know the right people,
Has anyone had any luck doing this? Do you think it’s a good idea?
I plan to go to flying clubs to see if I could do some parachute flights, glider towing,
Also I will try my luck with the small turbo prop operators, as well as the Airlines,
I don’t care if it’s a flying job or not, Flight ops to cleaning the aircraft, I will do it,
I’m willing to relocate to anywhere,
If I’m going down, I’m not going without a fight (haha)
If anyone has any useful addresses please feel free to PM me,
Kind Regards,
Flyvirgin.
I have booked a couple of weeks off work next month,
I plan to use this this to travel to as many Airports, Head offices, flying clubs as I can, to personally hand out my CV,
I see this as a way of getting myself noticed, getting to know the right people,
Has anyone had any luck doing this? Do you think it’s a good idea?
I plan to go to flying clubs to see if I could do some parachute flights, glider towing,
Also I will try my luck with the small turbo prop operators, as well as the Airlines,
I don’t care if it’s a flying job or not, Flight ops to cleaning the aircraft, I will do it,
I’m willing to relocate to anywhere,
If I’m going down, I’m not going without a fight (haha)
If anyone has any useful addresses please feel free to PM me,
Kind Regards,
Flyvirgin.
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flyvirgin if you wanna land a job there's one ready for you at Susi Air in Indonesia..I'm not kidding, they're starving for pilots.
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I'm not advertinsing it..I was in your same position, I waited 15 month to get a pilot job, and now I'm feeling sooo lucky!
Move your ass and come to Indonesia, they're more than welcome to hire you!
Interview is really easy!
pilotjobs179 - Latest Pilot Jobs provides the latest aviation vacancies around the world.
Still complaining or you wanna the job?
I'm not advertinsing it..I was in your same position, I waited 15 month to get a pilot job, and now I'm feeling sooo lucky!
Move your ass and come to Indonesia, they're more than welcome to hire you!
Interview is really easy!
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That's a good idea, flyvirgin, a trek around various aviation establishments is always a good idea. Quite often you will get a good reception particularly from pilots. They know what it's like. The likes of skydiving and gliding centres are good to visit but you won't get flying with them anytime soon. They have their own specific requirements and low time CPLs don't fit the bill. But if you visit somewhere and they suggest you turn up and help out. I suggest you do so. At worst you'll have a bit of fun, maybe you will make contacts and at best you may even get some work out of it. Pilot who turn up, have a chat, leave their CV and are never seen again will never be contacted.
You do seem to realise that, no one is going to chase you for jobs. That's your role. But if you make enough contacts and get known as a good guy. Sometimes, just sometimes the phone will ring and voice at the other end asks if you would be interested if flying their aeroplane, sometimes they'll even offer to pay you.
All this pays off when you finally get the interview and you have something to talk about other than your old job.
You do seem to realise that, no one is going to chase you for jobs. That's your role. But if you make enough contacts and get known as a good guy. Sometimes, just sometimes the phone will ring and voice at the other end asks if you would be interested if flying their aeroplane, sometimes they'll even offer to pay you.
All this pays off when you finally get the interview and you have something to talk about other than your old job.