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Bad Decision
This is for all of you wondering if you should pay for a TR or not.
I completed an integrated course last July and like everyone else I found it tough to get an interview let alone a job. I did get one though and I passed the interview. I was pleased as I didn't have to go to the bank again and look for a large sum of money for a TR as the company employ a three year bond with a monthly deduction from your salary.
However, here is the problem I knew starting out the a/c type I'd be flying and I knew I wanted something bigger and faster but I didn't want to splash out another 30k on a TR. So I took the job, the a/c is old, slow and very very basic, it has an MTOW of 13000lbs.
Now I'm in the middle of my TR on it and this morning I spent an hour or so sitting in it going through the checklists. The a/c was parked in a large hangar, in that hangar lay two MRJT a/c awaiting maintenance, a 737-800 and a 319-132. I suddenly realised how depressing it was sitting in the a/c I was in and wishing I had waited for a job with a jet a/c.
Of course I'm glad I have a job as I know people can't get jobs but this isn't about that, it's about choices.
If you are of similar character as myself don't settle for something you know you don't want to fly, wait for the opportunity to arise and fly something you have always wanted to fly.
I completed an integrated course last July and like everyone else I found it tough to get an interview let alone a job. I did get one though and I passed the interview. I was pleased as I didn't have to go to the bank again and look for a large sum of money for a TR as the company employ a three year bond with a monthly deduction from your salary.
However, here is the problem I knew starting out the a/c type I'd be flying and I knew I wanted something bigger and faster but I didn't want to splash out another 30k on a TR. So I took the job, the a/c is old, slow and very very basic, it has an MTOW of 13000lbs.
Now I'm in the middle of my TR on it and this morning I spent an hour or so sitting in it going through the checklists. The a/c was parked in a large hangar, in that hangar lay two MRJT a/c awaiting maintenance, a 737-800 and a 319-132. I suddenly realised how depressing it was sitting in the a/c I was in and wishing I had waited for a job with a jet a/c.
Of course I'm glad I have a job as I know people can't get jobs but this isn't about that, it's about choices.
If you are of similar character as myself don't settle for something you know you don't want to fly, wait for the opportunity to arise and fly something you have always wanted to fly.
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Mate, You dont always have to look up but sometimes look down for motivation. Be happy with what you got. There isnt much out there.
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Seriously Logitek, I like you have recently graduated.
I find it surprising that you tell us that you have been offered a job, with no type rating costs, and you are not happy with your decision to take said job because the aircraft isn't big enough for you.
In the current climate you are lucky to be in the position you are, it may not be your dream job, but its a job none the less with little financial cost to yourself. If after a year (and a few hundred hours) you are ready to move on then by all means do so.
My dream job is to be a 777 Captain but that is a dream as yet. Im certainly not going to pass up or moan about opportunities presented to me because they are not my ideal situation.
Not meant to be harsh just my 2 pence worth.
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Seriously Logitek, I like you have recently graduated.
I find it surprising that you tell us that you have been offered a job, with no type rating costs, and you are not happy with your decision to take said job because the aircraft isn't big enough for you.
In the current climate you are lucky to be in the position you are, it may not be your dream job, but its a job none the less with little financial cost to yourself. If after a year (and a few hundred hours) you are ready to move on then by all means do so.
My dream job is to be a 777 Captain but that is a dream as yet. Im certainly not going to pass up or moan about opportunities presented to me because they are not my ideal situation.
Not meant to be harsh just my 2 pence worth.
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1. Ensure master switch off.
2. Leave aircraft and lock it (if reqd).
3. Resign your position to operator.
4. Advise operator they should employ someone who isn't in la-la land.
5. Apply for positions at local fast food outlet, whilst applying for jet jobs.
Seriously, the grass is always greener in any job...but, as it appears you do recognise, you have a flying job....and looking at your age, also have heaps of time on your side.
Good luck.
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Totally agree with all the previous posts..... why be in such a hurry for a jet position.... pistons and turbo-prop flying is without doubt the most fun and challenging of your career.... if you realise your "dream" and go straight to a boeing or Airbus at 24 you'll be bored titless before your 30!!
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A prediction: in 10 years time there will be a post on PPrune "For all those of you who want to get a shiny jet job; don't do it! It's much more fun flying an old, slow 13000lb aircraft. I'm bored stiff and on my 3rd hostie wife with 20 years to command, I wish I was getting some real hands-on time again".
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Size doesn't matter!
Believe me in 36 months time when you have unfrozen you're ATPL, have no bond, Proved to your employer you are good at your job and loved every minute of flying. You get that green license in your hand and have the hope that you're next LPC/OPC you could be doing it from the left hand seat, you will look back at that day in the hangar and say it was the right decision to stay where you are.
You don't have another job, a big shiny jet to fly or the money to pay for a type rating on a 737 ( not that there are any jobs anyway )
You, at this time are in the best postion you could ever believe you could be in. Don't waste it, or think what if.. Trust me, the greener grass you're looking up at isn't greener and at the moment isn't even there!
Well done for getting that job, just make the most it!
Oh and if you had a real passion for flying, it wouldn't matter what plane it was, just the fact it can fly would be enough to satisfy your desire to be in the sky!!!
You don't have another job, a big shiny jet to fly or the money to pay for a type rating on a 737 ( not that there are any jobs anyway )
You, at this time are in the best postion you could ever believe you could be in. Don't waste it, or think what if.. Trust me, the greener grass you're looking up at isn't greener and at the moment isn't even there!
Well done for getting that job, just make the most it!
Oh and if you had a real passion for flying, it wouldn't matter what plane it was, just the fact it can fly would be enough to satisfy your desire to be in the sky!!!
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As I look at the carnage that envelopes the world today I can not think for one second why you titled your thread with the out of contextedly ridiculous 'bad decision'. You sir, are a lucky little bunny..you are in the clover field and so have the fun now hopping around in it. You are about to become a pilot!
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However, here is the problem I knew starting out the a/c type I'd be flying and I knew I wanted something bigger and faster
You certainly give a very unfortunate impression of yourself as a spoiled young person and I for one would not enjoy having you in my RHS with such a negative attitude.
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Is this a wind up? Really? Is Clara here now?
Get a grip - look around these forums and you'll see no-one is getting jobs at the moment. To be in the RHS of a TP is the ideal start of a career, one which will set you up for life ( which may be short if some hard working instructors get hold of you ).
Anyway no more breath wasted as not convinced this is for real!
Get a grip - look around these forums and you'll see no-one is getting jobs at the moment. To be in the RHS of a TP is the ideal start of a career, one which will set you up for life ( which may be short if some hard working instructors get hold of you ).
Anyway no more breath wasted as not convinced this is for real!
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I find it amazing what-ever you fly. The view is the same from 4000ft weather your in a 777 on finals or a c152 in the cruise, and its the same from 20,000ft weather your in a A320 or dash 8. Be grateful for the job for yourself that you worked your ass of to get there and your valued by the company. Your a commercial pilot!! Plenty of time to change a/c types. Its all a bout the novelty factor which wears off what ever your flying after some time. But the excitement is allways there 
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Trust me, starting in the smaller planes is a GREAT place to start. Plenty of hands on flying, flying holds and approaches and feeling the plane, the experience you will get is incredible. I finished my training and a few months later was offered a job flying Twin Otters in the Seychelles. Type rating was paid for by the company and the flying is something else!!! Especially since we are right on the ITCZ, makes for some interesting conditions during December and January. Bottom line, enjoy the flying you have ahead of you and stop being negative because its a very negative time for aviation, and as every one has said, you're a lucky doughnut!!!
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Just to play devils advocate here!
I'm sure when employers recruit low hours Pilots one of the concerns they try to satisfy themselves of is the fact that the new recruit is not going to run off at to fly a big shiny jet if the opportunity presents itself. (during bond - it has happened)
What would your employer think of your attitude at the moment after investing trust and faith in you! If you went to work tomorrow and you employer had read your comments what confidence would they have! Did you tell them at the interview you would prefer a job flying a 737 or A320 and you were just applying for the job because you could not get the big jet job? I think not!
Count your lucky cards you have this job and learn all you can from the lessons that this brings you!
As already said give yourself a good swift kick up the ass. Mate if you had your Class 1 revoked tomorrow with the possibility of not being able to fly again you would be grateful just to be able to do what you’re doing now.
Safe flying
I'm sure when employers recruit low hours Pilots one of the concerns they try to satisfy themselves of is the fact that the new recruit is not going to run off at to fly a big shiny jet if the opportunity presents itself. (during bond - it has happened)
What would your employer think of your attitude at the moment after investing trust and faith in you! If you went to work tomorrow and you employer had read your comments what confidence would they have! Did you tell them at the interview you would prefer a job flying a 737 or A320 and you were just applying for the job because you could not get the big jet job? I think not!
Count your lucky cards you have this job and learn all you can from the lessons that this brings you!
As already said give yourself a good swift kick up the ass. Mate if you had your Class 1 revoked tomorrow with the possibility of not being able to fly again you would be grateful just to be able to do what you’re doing now.
Safe flying