The CTC Wings (Cadets) Thread - Part 2.
Thank you for the replies @Mr-P and @Vipersrt10
I think you misunderstood slightly on my second question - I understand that 6 cadets every 2 months will be embarking on the Qatar MPL, but I have also heard that approximatley 6-10 cadets COULD be taken each month from next year - it's well known that Qatar want 800 new pilots for replacement/expansion in 2014. I feel as though this doesn't add up myself as, like you said, the previous Wings guys in Qatar are still not/only just flying.
With regards to Thompson, they are the only ones I know of actually taking cadets as a mate of mine has just started TR on the 738 with them - although he did work as CC before starting at CTC. He also mentioned that 8 guys are now with BACF rather than CTC.
A further question: CTC says they have links with something like 19 partner airlines - how many of them do they actively place cadets with?
I think you misunderstood slightly on my second question - I understand that 6 cadets every 2 months will be embarking on the Qatar MPL, but I have also heard that approximatley 6-10 cadets COULD be taken each month from next year - it's well known that Qatar want 800 new pilots for replacement/expansion in 2014. I feel as though this doesn't add up myself as, like you said, the previous Wings guys in Qatar are still not/only just flying.
With regards to Thompson, they are the only ones I know of actually taking cadets as a mate of mine has just started TR on the 738 with them - although he did work as CC before starting at CTC. He also mentioned that 8 guys are now with BACF rather than CTC.
A further question: CTC says they have links with something like 19 partner airlines - how many of them do they actively place cadets with?
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Guys, stick to the facts please. Stop the rumours,
Qatar 800 pilots in 2014? source?
They want an equal balance between experienced vs non-experienced. Company is doing very well so enough room left for non exprienced guys / girls.
it's well known that Qatar want 800 new pilots for replacement/expansion in 2014. I feel as though this doesn't add up myself as, like you said, the previous Wings guys in Qatar are still not/only just flying.
That leaves easyJet which at first instance sounds good however they are in the process of their largest experienced pilot recruitment campaign and as far as I understand there are no shortage of takers. This seriously limits the amount of places for future CTC guys as eJ will surely continue hiring experienced guys when they can get them for the price of cadets.
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IN FOCUS: Qatar Airways looks for pilots as deliveries ramp up
"The airline, which employs a total of 1,800 flightcrew, needs to recruit 750 pilots this financial year" - This is for 2012/13 Fiscal year, although I have recollection of the same sort of announcement for 2013/14 - however no source.
Does anyone know how many airlines CTC actively place cadets with? (I currently have in the last 2 years: EZY, Qatar, Thomson, BACF, Jet2 - are there any others?)
IN FOCUS: Qatar Airways looks for pilots as deliveries ramp up
"The airline, which employs a total of 1,800 flightcrew, needs to recruit 750 pilots this financial year" - This is for 2012/13 Fiscal year, although I have recollection of the same sort of announcement for 2013/14 - however no source.
Does anyone know how many airlines CTC actively place cadets with? (I currently have in the last 2 years: EZY, Qatar, Thomson, BACF, Jet2 - are there any others?)
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"The airline, which employs a total of 1,800 flightcrew, needs to recruit 750 pilots this financial year" - This is for 2012/13 Fiscal year, although I have recollection of the same sort of announcement for 2013/14 - however no source.
Does anyone know how many airlines CTC actively place cadets with? (I currently have in the last 2 years: EZY, Qatar, Thomson, BACF, Jet2 - are there any others?)
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They want an equal balance between experienced vs non-experienced. Company is doing very well so enough room left for non exprienced guys / girls.
You are correct in that eJ did originally say that they wanted an equal balance of pilots. That means 125 of the expected 250 positions. Not exactly earth shattering when you consider CTC trains more than 250 cadets a year and maybe even more than 300 now of which only a few are tagged to other airlines.
On top of this some people within eJ claim that in fact 200 of the 250 places will go to experienced guys leaving only 50 cadets for the 2014 line-up.
http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...ml#post8096090
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That leaves easyJet which at first instance sounds good however they are in the process of their largest experienced pilot recruitment campaign and as far as I understand there are no shortage of takers. This seriously limits the amount of places for future CTC guys as eJ will surely continue hiring experienced guys when they can get them for the price of cadets.
That leaves easyJet which at first instance sounds good however they are in the process of their largest experienced pilot recruitment campaign and as far as I understand there are no shortage of takers. This seriously limits the amount of places for future CTC guys as eJ will surely continue hiring experienced guys when they can get them for the price of cadets.
On top of this some people within eJ claim that in fact 200 of the 250 places will go to experienced guys leaving only 50 cadets for the 2014 line-up.
http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...ml#post8096090
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Worth mentioning, in case this has been missed, that there has been a change in procedure from EZY's point of view when it comes to the Wings hold pool.
They are now apparently interviewing chunks from the pool and while taking most presented to them have rejected a few as well...presumably putting them back in the pool. They used to take them straight from CTC with no further questions asked but they've wised up to the fact that the finished product is not always what it should be...
They are now apparently interviewing chunks from the pool and while taking most presented to them have rejected a few as well...presumably putting them back in the pool. They used to take them straight from CTC with no further questions asked but they've wised up to the fact that the finished product is not always what it should be...
CTC Wings Cadet 2014.
CTC announced today that they are 'enhancing' their course for 2014 - and upping the price at the same time. Do you think that the cadets currently in the system will get the extra benefits (particularly the UPART training) or not? The information is linked below for you to peruse and discuss!
CTC Wings Cadet Programme | Pilot Sponsorship UK | CTC Wings
CTC Wings Cadet Programme | Pilot Sponsorship UK | CTC Wings
No, I have it on authority that current cadets will not benefit from these improvements as they haven't signed these contracts. New cadets signing contracts from January (or whenever the change is due) onwards will benefit.
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Just a quick question:
With this scheme you get placed into the hold pool I believe, at the recent open day I was told the maximum time anybody has to wait for a job in this pool is around 6 months. My question is that during this 6 months is it not very difficult to maintain the high standards that you would have reached when finishing the CTC course - this could mean that you would perform badly on a sim assessment and potentially not get the job. Also, does anybody know if the 6 months quoted is true and if all cadets do get permanent jobs after finishing this course? Thank you!
With this scheme you get placed into the hold pool I believe, at the recent open day I was told the maximum time anybody has to wait for a job in this pool is around 6 months. My question is that during this 6 months is it not very difficult to maintain the high standards that you would have reached when finishing the CTC course - this could mean that you would perform badly on a sim assessment and potentially not get the job. Also, does anybody know if the 6 months quoted is true and if all cadets do get permanent jobs after finishing this course? Thank you!
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Hi All,
I have been through the search facility and trawled my way into many posts looking for advice regarding the selection.
majority of posts with decent info are backdated to mid-to-late 2000's.
Just wanted to know from someone whos been recently, the maths part.
1)Still 15 questions in 15 minutes?
2)Are the questions multiple choice?
3)Are you given a specific time for each question? so you cant progress forward or backwards through the questions at free will?(so for example you could be on question 10 at only 6mins in/ can you skip forward or back at free will?
4)obviously I don't want anyone to give away the actual questions but I have been practicing
#Long multiple/division eg 5687x478 285/15 (+- too)
#Ratios
#Basic algebra (real basic like x-10=60 Whats X
#squares,cubes and s+ cube roots
#area of squares, rectangles, triangles(was there any Circle questions using PIE?)
#Speed distance time, but i what context I don't know, are the some fictional problems that could potentially catch you off guard? like two aircraft heading towards each other at X speed, how long before they meet? or is it a simple as you travel 20miles in 10 minutes, how fast etc?
What other topics should I cover, I know its GCSE level I just want to make sure I do not fail this test, I know people say its easy, they only want your money etc but id rather not fail at this stage.!
Hope someone can advise.
Thanks.
I have been through the search facility and trawled my way into many posts looking for advice regarding the selection.
majority of posts with decent info are backdated to mid-to-late 2000's.
Just wanted to know from someone whos been recently, the maths part.
1)Still 15 questions in 15 minutes?
2)Are the questions multiple choice?
3)Are you given a specific time for each question? so you cant progress forward or backwards through the questions at free will?(so for example you could be on question 10 at only 6mins in/ can you skip forward or back at free will?
4)obviously I don't want anyone to give away the actual questions but I have been practicing
#Long multiple/division eg 5687x478 285/15 (+- too)
#Ratios
#Basic algebra (real basic like x-10=60 Whats X
#squares,cubes and s+ cube roots
#area of squares, rectangles, triangles(was there any Circle questions using PIE?)
#Speed distance time, but i what context I don't know, are the some fictional problems that could potentially catch you off guard? like two aircraft heading towards each other at X speed, how long before they meet? or is it a simple as you travel 20miles in 10 minutes, how fast etc?
What other topics should I cover, I know its GCSE level I just want to make sure I do not fail this test, I know people say its easy, they only want your money etc but id rather not fail at this stage.!
Hope someone can advise.
Thanks.
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Hi GoProPilot,
I just went through selection six days ago (passed and everything), and so should be in a good position to answer your questions.
There are indeed still 15 questions in as many minutes, all multiple choice and all pretty easy - though I could have just been lucky. You can spend as much time as you like on each question, and go back to completed questions.
There's no algebra involved aside from two questions where you're asked to work out the weight of fuel using a specific gravity value, but this is all very carefully and clearly explained, and certainly nothing to worry about.
I only really practised long division and multiplication, and finished with a good few minutes to spare - I'd really recommend learning Vedic maths using TecMath (tecmath - YouTube) for this test. If you can manage a long division problem in around a minute, you're at around the same level I was on the day Disclaimer: this isn't to say that you absolutely won't get any other types of questions, or to contradict anyone else's advice, but rather that I didn't come across those other ones.
If you want to know anything else about the selection day, let me know and I'll try to help.
I just went through selection six days ago (passed and everything), and so should be in a good position to answer your questions.
There are indeed still 15 questions in as many minutes, all multiple choice and all pretty easy - though I could have just been lucky. You can spend as much time as you like on each question, and go back to completed questions.
There's no algebra involved aside from two questions where you're asked to work out the weight of fuel using a specific gravity value, but this is all very carefully and clearly explained, and certainly nothing to worry about.
I only really practised long division and multiplication, and finished with a good few minutes to spare - I'd really recommend learning Vedic maths using TecMath (tecmath - YouTube) for this test. If you can manage a long division problem in around a minute, you're at around the same level I was on the day Disclaimer: this isn't to say that you absolutely won't get any other types of questions, or to contradict anyone else's advice, but rather that I didn't come across those other ones.
If you want to know anything else about the selection day, let me know and I'll try to help.
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@planedrive,
CTC have an introductory offer where you can currently benefit from the new additional parts of the course at the 2013 price - a bargain at £86,800. This is only offered, however, if you begin your course before January 2014; everyone else thereafter pays £89,800.
CTC have an introductory offer where you can currently benefit from the new additional parts of the course at the 2013 price - a bargain at £86,800. This is only offered, however, if you begin your course before January 2014; everyone else thereafter pays £89,800.
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Hi Steve
Thank you for your reply.
Thank you for answering my questions I really appreciate that and your blog is outstanding(since you've been there recently its totally relevant).
I am practicing everything you've said.
I am applying to wings without any attachment to airline like easyjet MPL or Monarch, flybe etc
So what worries me with the recent introduction of the EASYJET MPL and Monarch MPL and even the BA FPP+Qatar surely all these cadets will get the jobs first, where does this leave the normal WINGS cadets? because those airlines where already taking cadets from the pool. EZ, mon and BA going to have right hand seats for all the 20+ per month coming out of wings!?
Where are these cadets going to go (to keep their 99.9% placement record)
Is this flexi crew thing with Easy still going on? Did they mention it to you in the presentation in the morning?
Cheers.
Thank you for your reply.
Thank you for answering my questions I really appreciate that and your blog is outstanding(since you've been there recently its totally relevant).
I am practicing everything you've said.
I am applying to wings without any attachment to airline like easyjet MPL or Monarch, flybe etc
So what worries me with the recent introduction of the EASYJET MPL and Monarch MPL and even the BA FPP+Qatar surely all these cadets will get the jobs first, where does this leave the normal WINGS cadets? because those airlines where already taking cadets from the pool. EZ, mon and BA going to have right hand seats for all the 20+ per month coming out of wings!?
Where are these cadets going to go (to keep their 99.9% placement record)
Is this flexi crew thing with Easy still going on? Did they mention it to you in the presentation in the morning?
Cheers.
Hi GoProPilot,
I just went through selection six days ago (passed and everything), and so should be in a good position to answer your questions.
There are indeed still 15 questions in as many minutes, all multiple choice and all pretty easy. You can spend as much time as you like on each question, and go back to completed questions.
There's no algebra involved aside from two questions where you're asked to work out the weight of fuel using a specific gravity value, but this is all very carefully and clearly explained and certainly nothing to worry about.
I only really practised long division and multiplication, and finished with a good few minutes to spare - I'd really recommend learning Vedic maths using TecMath (tecmath - YouTube) for this test. If you can manage a long division problem in around a minute, you're sorted.
If you want to know anything else about the selection day, I wrote a blog post about it (Glorified Bus Driver | A totally original and unique blog about training as a student commercial pilot.) - if you have any questions after that, let me know and I'll try to help.
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I just went through selection six days ago (passed and everything), and so should be in a good position to answer your questions.
There are indeed still 15 questions in as many minutes, all multiple choice and all pretty easy. You can spend as much time as you like on each question, and go back to completed questions.
There's no algebra involved aside from two questions where you're asked to work out the weight of fuel using a specific gravity value, but this is all very carefully and clearly explained and certainly nothing to worry about.
I only really practised long division and multiplication, and finished with a good few minutes to spare - I'd really recommend learning Vedic maths using TecMath (tecmath - YouTube) for this test. If you can manage a long division problem in around a minute, you're sorted.
If you want to know anything else about the selection day, I wrote a blog post about it (Glorified Bus Driver | A totally original and unique blog about training as a student commercial pilot.) - if you have any questions after that, let me know and I'll try to help.
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Happy to help, and I'm glad you liked it.
The FlexiCrew arrangement is indeed still going on, in fact they mentioned in the morning presentation that the vast majority of their cadets go on to work for easyJet as FlexiCrew employees. Considering their recent substantial profits and new aircraft orders this doesn't look likely to slow down, but then you never know.
As for the trend for larger airlines taking on cadets through MPL courses, it's hard to say without many figures available, but it does look as if the proportion of cadets going through this route will only increase. But that's not to say there's no market for us untagged lot: an airline will only take on the minimum number they anticipate needing through MPL courses. If one of those airlines does particularly well and decides to expand, as with easyJet, there's a pool of graduating cadets of a decent standard ready to go.
Besides, there are always airlines that won't run these schemes with whom we'll stand a chance.
The FlexiCrew arrangement is indeed still going on, in fact they mentioned in the morning presentation that the vast majority of their cadets go on to work for easyJet as FlexiCrew employees. Considering their recent substantial profits and new aircraft orders this doesn't look likely to slow down, but then you never know.
As for the trend for larger airlines taking on cadets through MPL courses, it's hard to say without many figures available, but it does look as if the proportion of cadets going through this route will only increase. But that's not to say there's no market for us untagged lot: an airline will only take on the minimum number they anticipate needing through MPL courses. If one of those airlines does particularly well and decides to expand, as with easyJet, there's a pool of graduating cadets of a decent standard ready to go.
Besides, there are always airlines that won't run these schemes with whom we'll stand a chance.
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I would take whatever CTC tell you in a presentation designed with the explicit intent to sell a course to you with a very large pinch of salt; it's of course in their interest to paint a rosy picture which may not correlate to reality.
Also there is no evidence that MPL scheme airlines are taking the minimum number of pilots they need as you put it, for all we know they could be taking on vastly more pilots than they currently need with a view to job creation in the future.
It seems more likely that these schemes will increase in number and capacity - and let's face it CTC will not be bothered whether pilots join airlines through the hold pool or through the schemes they run as they get paid either way.
Also there is no evidence that MPL scheme airlines are taking the minimum number of pilots they need as you put it, for all we know they could be taking on vastly more pilots than they currently need with a view to job creation in the future.
It seems more likely that these schemes will increase in number and capacity - and let's face it CTC will not be bothered whether pilots join airlines through the hold pool or through the schemes they run as they get paid either way.
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CTC selection
is there anyone has done the ctc selection recently? i really need your help..because i have decided to do my selection with ctc in jan 2014. i dont know how is the selection like.all i know they have maths test , aptitude test,teamwork?,and 1 to 1? just wondering how many aptitude test they will given? and how is the teamwork like? i will be very grateful if anyone can help me.
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CTC navigation techniques
Complete change of topic but still relates to CTC Wings.
Can anyone who has just finished with CTC in NZ help me with this please...
When CTC teach you how prepare for a nav flight they get you to draw a top hat at each turning point. The hat has three layers and something goes in each layer (altitude to fly the leg etc). Can someone tell me what they are please.
Also, at each enroute check between turning points we were taught to draw a circle, divide it in half and then divide one of the halves in half once more. Again something went in the semi-circle and the quarter circles. I think it was something like expected time of arrival, actual time of arrival and time to next check. Can someone confirm this for me please.
Thanks in advance.
Can anyone who has just finished with CTC in NZ help me with this please...
When CTC teach you how prepare for a nav flight they get you to draw a top hat at each turning point. The hat has three layers and something goes in each layer (altitude to fly the leg etc). Can someone tell me what they are please.
Also, at each enroute check between turning points we were taught to draw a circle, divide it in half and then divide one of the halves in half once more. Again something went in the semi-circle and the quarter circles. I think it was something like expected time of arrival, actual time of arrival and time to next check. Can someone confirm this for me please.
Thanks in advance.