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Old 4th Dec 2008, 11:33
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Finance and job prospects.

Well....that was the plan anyway
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Old 4th Dec 2008, 22:46
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hi y'all hust wondering if anybody knows how long any of the training providers keep your pass on record for (i.e. how long after you pass can you leave it till you start). I ask because i'm debating weather to go for my 2nd attempt down in Sarfamtan. Atm I can't pay for it you see and i'm still dreaming of a miracle!

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Smile CTC and VAT

Just a quick question. Has anybody who is due to commence training AFTER 1st december 2008 asked CTC how the reduction in VAT from 17.5% to 15% is going to effect their course fees.

They recently (within the last year) increased their fees from £61,000 to£63,00 due to the increased cost of aviation fuel etc. Fuel prices have decreased dramatically, coupled with the drop in VAT should we not expect a drop in training fees?

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Old 5th Dec 2008, 09:33
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Hi Nev,

Yeah I asked this question too, I'm on CP69, due out on 2nd of Jan, because my Invoice was issued in November it had the 17.5% Vat on it, however, I was told for the future invoices I will be charged 15%.

Not sure how that leaves me with the loan, HSBC may simply adjust as fit as I don't think they will just give me the extra saved money, or they might. I'm genunely not sure.

As for drop in fuel prices, well I wouldn't expect a significant drop, if one at all. That's how I'm basing this, think worst case scenario, if anything happens that is better, well it's a bonus!

Hope that helps,

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Old 5th Dec 2008, 10:03
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Why don't you ask them to re-issue the invoice for November, and get a reduction? You are not receiving their product/services until Jan, so I cannot see why they would object.
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Yeah tried that, but literally the day I asked, the first instalment went out of my account! Think I asked on the 1st, then 24 hours later, I was considerably more in debt!
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If the services (ie course) doesn't start until January and you didn't pay until December then there really should be no problem (Vat wise) with them issuing you a new invoice with the lower VAT rate. They will not be out of pocket at all (they collect the VAT from you and pass on to Customs) so this really shouldn't be a problem. Worth persuing ! (It gets more complicated if payment was made in November - but still worth asking the question again). Best of luck !
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How many cadets are CTC actually taking on at the minute?

There's a funny contradiction at play really as they obviously want to choose level-headed candidates. But i think you would have to be a bit of a risk taker to go through with the scheme at the particular moment in time. The final job opportunities are pretty barren and i'd imagine the hold pool must be ever increasing.
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Old 7th Dec 2008, 12:47
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cadets

I dont fully agree in my opinion in 2 years time the industry will back to normal, its always like that!!!! on the other hand it depends how many cadets are in the holding pool waiting for a job

How many are there anyways??????? Does anybody have an estimate???
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Old 7th Dec 2008, 16:06
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Latest type rating courses have sucked up a few - think it's sitting around the 30 mark at the minute with perhaps another 10 or so to be added by the end of the month.
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I dont fully agree in my opinion in 2 years time the industry will back to normal.
I'm going for a more conservative 5 years myself.
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Old 8th Dec 2008, 09:33
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CTC are sending this email out to people.

I'm thinking flexible means working for six months over then summer then back to burger flipping for the winter. Also many exciting opportunities to experience working in Khazakstan and other interesting parts of the world.



"I'd like to use this opportunity to unveil to you, a new concept that CTC is about to launch. Over the next couple of days you might well see adverts and hear speculation about a new flexible crewing initiative known as FlexiCrew.

We are responding to the request from industry to provide a flexible crewing concept that enables airlines to "flex" their crewing requirements more seasonally. When I say crew, I mean Pilots and Cabin Crew alike.

With an acute focus on cost control, there are a number of airlines that are looking to adopt flexible crewing options.

We will be inviting type rated pilots from all over the world to apply to FlexiCrew so that we can build a global database of pilots that can satisfy an airlines need wherever they might be and on any type. Chris Clarke and I have just completed a whistle stop tour of the Middle East and China and it is apparent there will be a genuine global challenge in the coming years to marry pilots with jobs.

Last year CTC trained almost 1400 pilots for 52 airlines, but the market for the supply of pilots and the demand for those pilots goes way beyond our current client list. Therefore, we are aiming to diversify into other emerging markets and expand our services for the supply of worldwide airline crewing.

Clearly as CTC Wings Pilots you have a natural avenue to the 11 Partner Airlines; however FlexiCrew will go way beyond that and offer the possibility of operating with other airlines. We would therefore, like to invite you to register on the database. As previously mentioned, it will be more usual to attract type rated pilots, but in the case of CTC Wings pilots, we would like you to register regardless of your stage of training, and update your status as you progress through.

In previous updates, I have mentioned the changing climate and the nature of the industry is such that innovation and cost effective solutions to the airlines from training organizations will be necessary. We want to be at the forefront of pilot supply solutions, but more specifically, we want to maximize your likelihood of placement.

FlexiCrew will not appeal to all airlines and it might not appeal to you; however you have nothing to lose by registering. The system will "go live" in the next few days and when it does, please feel free to register your details. As stated, this does not compete, undermine or change your position with regards to the Wings Partner airlines, but it does allow us to potentially offer you additional options should you wish to be involved.

The changing nature of the industry and the need for a solution is illustrated in Tim Cheales comments below on FlexiCrew:-

"CTC has always been a reliable source of quality pilots. Our marketplace is changing - the ability to have a seasonal supply of pilots is something only previously considered by the smaller operators. However, we all have to revisit our approach to resourcing and this could provide a very workable solution for more airlines as our industry evolves."
Captain Tim Cheal, Training Manager, Thomas Cook Airlines

To give you some idea of the activity levels at the moment, we are in discussions with airlines in the Middle East, Vietnam, China, most of Europe, Africa, Australia, New Zealand and Fiji on subjects ranging from supplying Training Captains, to Cadets and Cabin Crew. This means that updates like this might start coming at you thick and fast. I hope that you see this as exciting and innovative, and more importantly, I hope that it assures you that despite the economic down turn, we are on the case and providing the industry with solutions."
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Old 8th Dec 2008, 11:59
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As I was saying this week to the boss of Cabair before he checked in for his flight to Beijing.. i've been around the flying training industry a long time.

WWW
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Old 8th Dec 2008, 13:03
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www,

You are my hero!!!
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As I was saying this week to the boss of Cabair before he checked in for his flight to Beijing.. i've been around the flying training industry a long time.
And the 'boss' from Cabair was so overwhelmed and impressed, he said.......?

A...fancy doing some PPl training when EZY goes bust

or

B...I've got some euros here, should I cash them in now, or when you tell me to on PPRUNE?
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Old 9th Dec 2008, 07:18
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or C: Here's £150,000 to stop going onto PPrune and warning people about the current state of the market so that more people train with us and head straight onto the dole!!

I really really hope that in a years time you can all come back on here and mock WWW for getting it totally wrong but, god forbid, if he is correct he may have just saved some people a lot of money along the way.

WWW, take option C. No-one wants to listen anymore as they have all made their own minds up. Take the money and just leave everyone to get on with it!!!

P.S WWW, that post was just a tiny tiny bit cheesy and you were opening yourself up for a bit of flack there!

P.P.S I though you were a skipper, not a check in desk operative for some chinese outfit! Has anyone given you anything to carry for them..........?
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Old 9th Dec 2008, 08:56
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I know it was cheesy - I have no problem inviting flak and it was a telephone conversation with the CEO so, clear prop!!, I think he is the 'boss'.

WWW
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Old 9th Dec 2008, 09:24
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the boss of Cabair before he checked in for his flight to Beijing
Fleeing the country, eh?



One Post, you shouldn't be posting during home stby, I'm sure I've seen it in part A..........
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Old 10th Dec 2008, 13:34
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Cp 73

Hey Miss Cassut im on CP 73 too,u going around april yeah?whats your name i probably saw u at selection.Im battling to get the money as we speak, how bout starting a facebook group or something to find out who elese is in our group?have u recieved ur offer pack yet? still waiting on mine!
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Old 10th Dec 2008, 13:51
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Cp 72 / 73 / 74

Hey guys if any of you want to join ive created a facebook group to make contact with most early next year 'to be' cadets to have a general chat about anything. Ive called it
'ctc wings cp 72 - 74' so if your in any of the enclosed groups feel free to become a member! Thanx.
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