Pilot shortages, News Events, And What Are The Effects On Airline Jobs?
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Totally blown out of proprtion!!! (sorry probably a bad choice of word there)
Bloody papers and TV!!!!
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The airlines certainly do not seem to be too worried about a downturn in business as a result of this week's events.
Was lucky enough to be offered a contract the day after the arrests.
Was lucky enough to be offered a contract the day after the arrests.
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The bigger economic picture is more important than the events last week.
An inflationary spiral has resulted in interest rates rising globally. Debt levels have never been higher so the rate rises hurt. The US consumer is starting to feel the pinch with the UK set to follow.
Some expect a depression, not recession, around the start of the next decade.
Business, airline employment, house prices etc ... they all cycle. The trick is to catch them on the upturn. That time has passed for now.
An inflationary spiral has resulted in interest rates rising globally. Debt levels have never been higher so the rate rises hurt. The US consumer is starting to feel the pinch with the UK set to follow.
Some expect a depression, not recession, around the start of the next decade.
Business, airline employment, house prices etc ... they all cycle. The trick is to catch them on the upturn. That time has passed for now.
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I can understand the concerns here, but I wouldnt worry.
I was undergoing training when 9/11 kicked off, and that was a huge spanner in the works too, but you'd be amazed at how fast the industry bounced back after something of that scale. BA for example didnt lay a single pilot off... Other companies that did had the vast majority reinstated within a year or so in most cases.
Thank the heavens this plot was foiled, but mostly from a moral/life standpoint rather than economic. Although its cocked up several flights for several days, I cant see it making a even a dent in the industry... Barring a successful plot that is.
Keep the dream alive boys and girls, remaining positive makes all the difference, and if I managed it in turbulent times, believe me, anyone can!
If you want something bad enough...
I was undergoing training when 9/11 kicked off, and that was a huge spanner in the works too, but you'd be amazed at how fast the industry bounced back after something of that scale. BA for example didnt lay a single pilot off... Other companies that did had the vast majority reinstated within a year or so in most cases.
Thank the heavens this plot was foiled, but mostly from a moral/life standpoint rather than economic. Although its cocked up several flights for several days, I cant see it making a even a dent in the industry... Barring a successful plot that is.
Keep the dream alive boys and girls, remaining positive makes all the difference, and if I managed it in turbulent times, believe me, anyone can!
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The Future of the Airline Industry
With the current terror scares in air travel at the moment, how will it affect the future of the airline industry? As the terrorist operation didnt succeed I doubt the damage will be as bad as 9/11, however there will be damage. What I am trying to find out, is how much. Just wandering what opinions were out there? The reason I am personally worried is because I hope to become a pilot and go to Oxford Air School but I dont want to spend 60 G's and be in debt with no future job. I remember how terrible it was for new pilots and currently employed pilots alike, and hope it will not commence again. I know many pilots in BA, but know they will be fine due to them being captains and so wont be made redundant (might come in useful in being employed by BA ?
. . . if there will be any jobs!?)
. . . if there will be any jobs!?)
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The airline industry is normally the first to be affected by any changes in the global economy, crude oil prices, or oil fields under threat, terrorism, public confidence in security or general airline safety, The majority of people fly because they have to not because they want to, lets face it who would choose to spend hours sitting in a cramped metal tube if there was a better alternative. It may have a significant effect on holiday travel, people are sick enough of delays in and around airports, it could be argued that for £40 return to Amsterdam stuck in the back of a small airliner with your kness under your chin is acceptable, but I may be getting off the point here, I just have a major dislike of `budget` airlines. When it comes to flying jobs, I would guess that the 25min turnaround boys with their get rich quick mindset will be seriously affected by the enhanced security procedures and that may change their pilot requirements,probabaly do most of their crews a favour if it means some reasonable time to prepare the machine for the next leg, but I digress, As a career choice commercial flying has for the last 30 years been one of the most insecure options for anyone, events like those described do nothing to improve this, we live in uncertain and potentially dangerous times, the costs of training are totally unreasonable, with the current trend of sstr`s adding to this, and there are many qualified pilots who never find a job that has always been the case even in the 70`s and 80`s, make no mistake about it, what you need to suceed in this industry is a considerable amount of being in the right place at the right time ability, it has little to do with flying most people can do that, if you are blessed wth the former then you will be ok, probabaly.
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Good Luck to you all.
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Security and future
Hi all,
Sorry to post in this sectin of the website as I am no a pilot yet but a wanabee. The reason for me writing in this section is that I would like to speak to people who already are in the aviation industry and have a more in depth view than mine.
My question is about the recent events at airports. Do you guys think that the terrorist threat will affect long term the aviation industry again and create a slow down or airlines will carry on expanding as planned. I would not end up in a situation where I have spent a huge amount of money for my license and not being able to find a job because of a downturn.
Dou you think that both the government and airport operators will invest in new state of the art security systems like the Rapiscan or similar and if so could this be an answer to the actual threat, will this reensure frightened passengers?
Thanks for your answers.
Sorry to post in this sectin of the website as I am no a pilot yet but a wanabee. The reason for me writing in this section is that I would like to speak to people who already are in the aviation industry and have a more in depth view than mine.
My question is about the recent events at airports. Do you guys think that the terrorist threat will affect long term the aviation industry again and create a slow down or airlines will carry on expanding as planned. I would not end up in a situation where I have spent a huge amount of money for my license and not being able to find a job because of a downturn.
Dou you think that both the government and airport operators will invest in new state of the art security systems like the Rapiscan or similar and if so could this be an answer to the actual threat, will this reensure frightened passengers?
Thanks for your answers.
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Tough one to call, I guess only time will really tell us. But if your thinking of not starting flight training because of it (or looking to stop mid-way through) then you will never get there!!!!
The industry goes up and down - take 9/11 - there was a surpluss of pilots after that and now they are short.
Personally im not worried - just be prepared to have to do other work after you qualify to earn money whilst waiting for the job you want and think about other forms of flying (eg flight instruction) to get yourself through any bad periods that may follow (if any).
The industry goes up and down - take 9/11 - there was a surpluss of pilots after that and now they are short.
Personally im not worried - just be prepared to have to do other work after you qualify to earn money whilst waiting for the job you want and think about other forms of flying (eg flight instruction) to get yourself through any bad periods that may follow (if any).
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Thanks for your answer Helipilot.
I do agree with you, this industry is made up of up and down and this will never stop me! I just want to have an inside view as what medias are telling and what the truth is is sometimes different. I just do not want to see this industry badly affected by terrorism, I think this is still the safest way of transport. Unfortunately the medias are not making it look safe. I am just hoping that the public will be sensible enough to realise that it is propably more dangerous to drive to work than to board a plane to NY.
I do agree with you, this industry is made up of up and down and this will never stop me! I just want to have an inside view as what medias are telling and what the truth is is sometimes different. I just do not want to see this industry badly affected by terrorism, I think this is still the safest way of transport. Unfortunately the medias are not making it look safe. I am just hoping that the public will be sensible enough to realise that it is propably more dangerous to drive to work than to board a plane to NY.
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As you rightly said, it is just wait and see.
Let's also see what people are thinking in this thread!
On the other hand, I work with the husband of the PA of the managing director of London City airport so I asked him to ask his wife what she think. She said that it won't stop the growth and that civil aviation has never been that well. She also think that some of the business travellers will transfer to private aviation (jet rental etc...) might be good for people like us to get our first foot in the trade!
Let's also see what people are thinking in this thread!
On the other hand, I work with the husband of the PA of the managing director of London City airport so I asked him to ask his wife what she think. She said that it won't stop the growth and that civil aviation has never been that well. She also think that some of the business travellers will transfer to private aviation (jet rental etc...) might be good for people like us to get our first foot in the trade!
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Sorry bit late in on this one, I think finger bob has the best point the greater economic picture will dictate the future of the airline industry just as it does all industries, all markets rise and fall, I dropped over £40k on a house when the market went against me that hurt loads then the market turned and I made it back.
True Easy jet and Ryanair have grown at an amazing pace but it was because the demand was there if people have money in their pockets they will spend it, people now are used to travelling by air, it will take a fair bit for them to change their habits.
For years the big debate of fuel costs has raged weve hit £5 a gallon have we deserted our cars ?
In 2001 I stopped my training because of 9/11, because of circumstances its taken me till now to get going again if I had continued then I would be sitting pretty in an arline job by now (hopefully) but im not Im facing the same worries as before rightly or wrongly im going to plough ahead.
All said the fact remains that interest rates are rising many people have huge mortgages against over valued houses and credit card borrowing is at an all time high the signs are that we are heading for leaner times, the house reposessions have already started if people dont have the money in their pockets then things could change dramatically.
True Easy jet and Ryanair have grown at an amazing pace but it was because the demand was there if people have money in their pockets they will spend it, people now are used to travelling by air, it will take a fair bit for them to change their habits.
For years the big debate of fuel costs has raged weve hit £5 a gallon have we deserted our cars ?
In 2001 I stopped my training because of 9/11, because of circumstances its taken me till now to get going again if I had continued then I would be sitting pretty in an arline job by now (hopefully) but im not Im facing the same worries as before rightly or wrongly im going to plough ahead.
All said the fact remains that interest rates are rising many people have huge mortgages against over valued houses and credit card borrowing is at an all time high the signs are that we are heading for leaner times, the house reposessions have already started if people dont have the money in their pockets then things could change dramatically.
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One important aspect to think about in light of recent event is how do you want to be treated in your chosen career?
At the moment, and likely to be for some time to come if not permanently, you will be treated as a terrorist suspect every time you go to work. You will be subject to the interpretations of the latest security edicts by individuals with little idea of the meaning of safety, risk management and common sense.
You will also only ever be seen by the management or shareholders of a company as very expensive hired help who whinge about everything and are never very productive.
The economic factors involved will always be an issue, with fluctuations in the economy causing boom and bust. It will just be a case of how lucky you are in the company that you finally work for whether you will enjoy a smooth and progressive career or the disjointed changes of direction that a great number of us experience.
At the moment, and likely to be for some time to come if not permanently, you will be treated as a terrorist suspect every time you go to work. You will be subject to the interpretations of the latest security edicts by individuals with little idea of the meaning of safety, risk management and common sense.
You will also only ever be seen by the management or shareholders of a company as very expensive hired help who whinge about everything and are never very productive.
The economic factors involved will always be an issue, with fluctuations in the economy causing boom and bust. It will just be a case of how lucky you are in the company that you finally work for whether you will enjoy a smooth and progressive career or the disjointed changes of direction that a great number of us experience.
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New Kid on the Tarmac...Seeking Confirmation!
BULA!!
...if you're wondering that means Hello!..Im a new comer in the aviation industry,doing my CPL theory..I was referred to this site by a friend who told me some of the best pilots come here...so i thought to come and ask u guys what the industry is like out there? I've read mags and heard news but i wanted confirmation from the people who are living the dream!!
So Guys,whats going on?? What r your views on the future of an up and coming airman??.....
...if you're wondering that means Hello!..Im a new comer in the aviation industry,doing my CPL theory..I was referred to this site by a friend who told me some of the best pilots come here...so i thought to come and ask u guys what the industry is like out there? I've read mags and heard news but i wanted confirmation from the people who are living the dream!!
So Guys,whats going on?? What r your views on the future of an up and coming airman??.....
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BULA Back kiddo!
Have a long look at the threads on here, especially the "stickie" threads at the top.
Then when you have finished here, go and look at the other threads like "Terms and Endearment" and "Jet Blast"
All of your questions will be answered there.
Two years ago, I was a "Hey Ho Bula" type guy like you. Now, I'm thousands of dollars out of pocket, but still trudging on with my training....good luck.
Have a long look at the threads on here, especially the "stickie" threads at the top.
Then when you have finished here, go and look at the other threads like "Terms and Endearment" and "Jet Blast"
All of your questions will be answered there.
Two years ago, I was a "Hey Ho Bula" type guy like you. Now, I'm thousands of dollars out of pocket, but still trudging on with my training....good luck.
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Female Wannabe..
No one could have told me when I started out that maybe I wouldn't like it and maybe achieving my dream would ruin my life.
If youre a girly girl with any sort of intellect or creativity - this isnt a great job.
I wish someone had said that to me, so there u go. Think it over. It aint glam it aint interesting and unless youre lucky and get directly at long haul with a great company its really totally ****.
No one could have told me when I started out that maybe I wouldn't like it and maybe achieving my dream would ruin my life.
If youre a girly girl with any sort of intellect or creativity - this isnt a great job.
I wish someone had said that to me, so there u go. Think it over. It aint glam it aint interesting and unless youre lucky and get directly at long haul with a great company its really totally ****.
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Female Wannabe..
No one could have told me when I started out that maybe I wouldn't like it and maybe achieving my dream would ruin my life.
If youre a girly girl with any sort of intellect or creativity - this isnt a great job.
I wish someone had said that to me, so there u go. Think it over. It aint glam it aint interesting and unless youre lucky and get directly at long haul with a great company its really totally ****.
No one could have told me when I started out that maybe I wouldn't like it and maybe achieving my dream would ruin my life.
If youre a girly girl with any sort of intellect or creativity - this isnt a great job.
I wish someone had said that to me, so there u go. Think it over. It aint glam it aint interesting and unless youre lucky and get directly at long haul with a great company its really totally ****.
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Jimbo, unfortunately GE has seen fit to delete her reply to your post. However, reading this thread might give you some insight as to why flying isn't always what you'd hoped it would be.
Unfortunately, it's a fact that you guys have only your own imagination and what you read from experienced pilots to tell you what the job is like. Equally unfortunately, you generally tend to disbelieve us when we tell you it's often not all you've cracked it up to be. Great Expectations is just one of many whose illusions have been shattered by the reality.
Scroggs
Unfortunately, it's a fact that you guys have only your own imagination and what you read from experienced pilots to tell you what the job is like. Equally unfortunately, you generally tend to disbelieve us when we tell you it's often not all you've cracked it up to be. Great Expectations is just one of many whose illusions have been shattered by the reality.
Scroggs