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Originally Posted by tigermagicjohn
A rating alone is useless without hours. At many airlines now the minimum to qualify to apply as FO is 500 hours on type!
If you buy yourself 300 or 500 hours on type, you will most definitely not qualify for airlines requiring a MINUMUM 500 hours on type.
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Why will you not qualify if you buy 500 hours?
Explain me what makes 500 hours that you buy less valuable experience hours then 500 hours you work and get paid!
Besides the morale issue, how does this make a difference.
500 hours on type as FO is 500 hours no matter how you do it, paid or pay for it!
Please have some substance to your argument!
You log book will have 500 hours logged on a 737 or A320 - also from what I have heard many pilots get hired with the airline they fly with, because you have invested in your own line training and type rating, as longs as you are of the right stuff it makes little sense to let you go unless you get a better offer.
Point is that at least you will get an offer with 500 hours logged on type, with type rating you will get 0 !
Besides the morale issue, how does this make a difference.
500 hours on type as FO is 500 hours no matter how you do it, paid or pay for it!
Please have some substance to your argument!
You log book will have 500 hours logged on a 737 or A320 - also from what I have heard many pilots get hired with the airline they fly with, because you have invested in your own line training and type rating, as longs as you are of the right stuff it makes little sense to let you go unless you get a better offer.
Point is that at least you will get an offer with 500 hours logged on type, with type rating you will get 0 !
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I think most of the people going for these schemes are pretty desperate.
They are probably at their wits end because thay have nowhere to turn due to the fact that they are not good pilot material. It probably looks like a short cut to bypassing the selection process.
The reson why airlines havn`t chosen these guys is probably simply that they dont fit the profile of pilots that they employ.
Just because you have an ATPL doesnt mean your going to make a good pilot.
Try bettering yourself as a person before trying to shortcut the whole thing otherwise it could go tits up a bit further down the line.
They are probably at their wits end because thay have nowhere to turn due to the fact that they are not good pilot material. It probably looks like a short cut to bypassing the selection process.
The reson why airlines havn`t chosen these guys is probably simply that they dont fit the profile of pilots that they employ.
Just because you have an ATPL doesnt mean your going to make a good pilot.
Try bettering yourself as a person before trying to shortcut the whole thing otherwise it could go tits up a bit further down the line.
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Pay to Play! Can you actually read what is written!
The words jealous and desperate comes from to of the respondents here! Vow!!
I actually dont understand where you get this from!
First the reply just comes with a statement, without any facts to back up their statement.
Let me ask you when did airlines companies become moral? At what point do they decide if they will take you or not?
Now I am probably a lot older then the last couple of replies, 36 years old! This is on the edge of where one should consider to start such a career. I am neither jealous or desperate, however I have been clever, worked hard and saved my money, and want to do something I like with MY MONEY, that I have WORKED VERY HARD FOR!
When I was young I decided against pursuing a pilot career because of the cost that was involved and my lack of funds. (I NO LONGER HAVE THESE LACK OF FUNDS)
I refused to pursue a military career in the army, even if I was offered place in the Norwegian Krigsskolen, this higher officer training in Norwegian army, why? Because I had not motivation or intrest for this..
Even during my early 20's I chose a life many could only dream of, and I found it nearly as intresting as pilot career, maybe sometimes even more challenging. I was show producer and wild animal trainer (tigers and lions)
Then I had an ex girlfriend that f
me for all my money and work, and at the age of 32 started a new business with £200 a week job living in London. Note the following I started with £200, and now can if I want sponser my whole education , type rating and 500 hours jet training with MY OWN MONEY! Make the calcualation, and tell me if you make this money within your first 4 years as a pilot?
I very much recent some of you guys attitude, actually I feel there is a bit of jealousy and bitterness from you wannabes that wish you could be in similar financial situation, but due to lack of mult task talent you are not able to concentrate about more then one thing at a time.
I know PPL is easy, however I took my PPL in Norway, I starterd the theory when I was 17 and still at college, I did self study, the Norwegian Aero Club sent me all the theory books, after few months I took my theory exam and passed it first time. (By the way same time that I took my A-levels) When I was 18/19 I combined my final year at college, flying lessons for PPL and part time job to PAY FOR MY OWN FLYING HOURS. Then when 19 I had part time factory job 12 hours a day, for 4 days a week, followed by 3.5 days non stop flying for PPL.
Because of the cost to travel to America, and because I did not HAVE RICH DADDY to back me up, I did not go to USA flight school when I was 21 as I had planned to do. Sometimes in life things doesnt always work out as you plan, however I HAVE NO REGRETS. I found another passion, you can actually have more then 1 passion in life, and that does not make it less.
I started travelling world wide, and got to know many pilots flying cargo jumbo jets, because my show travelled world wide, Asia and Mexico and USA.
Actually during these cargo flights I got the impression that the job could actually seem rather boring. There is not actually much real flying left for the pilot, still I have this attraction within me that I cant stop. But probably to be honest I would proably see more challenge and intrest in bush flying, that is real flying, and not some half automated robotic controller!
So you dare not judge me without knowing me, if you know me you can judge me! However neither of the last 2 comments says anything with any backing up of facts. Or as they say you are talking out of your a !
If I decide to fly, do you think I will limit myself only to fly in europe? I say it like this, find me a cockpit anywhere in the world, and I will call that my home. My friend who flies for Cathay tells me that there is much work in Asia if you are willing to move there! Now I have some experience in life, good and bad, I have done what I have done!
For you there under 25 remember one thing, the world is a rat race, only the strongest survive!
I dont want put anyone done, but it seems that the attitude of some of you guys in this thread stinks of double standard and false pretences. We dont live in a world that is fair, we dont live in a world where its always a happy ending. My motto has always been, where there is a will, there is a way!
Rise to the challenge and present your argument properly, and back it with some facts, instead of just throwing around slander - that is only based on your personal sad situation of life!
How do you bypass the selection process? In what way? Just because like airforce pilots you show jet experience instead of ONLY instruction time PIC on single engine!
Any airline will put you trough the same selection procedure, only difference is that you WILL ACTUALLY BE CONSIDERD, before you have spent 8 years instructing.
Tell me if you work as instructor for 3 years, how much will that cost you incl. living expenses to maybe get enough hours to maybe be able to find some place to apply for a job!
Calculate the difference and tell me what are your savings by not doing this?
I actually dont understand where you get this from!
First the reply just comes with a statement, without any facts to back up their statement.
Let me ask you when did airlines companies become moral? At what point do they decide if they will take you or not?
Now I am probably a lot older then the last couple of replies, 36 years old! This is on the edge of where one should consider to start such a career. I am neither jealous or desperate, however I have been clever, worked hard and saved my money, and want to do something I like with MY MONEY, that I have WORKED VERY HARD FOR!
When I was young I decided against pursuing a pilot career because of the cost that was involved and my lack of funds. (I NO LONGER HAVE THESE LACK OF FUNDS)
I refused to pursue a military career in the army, even if I was offered place in the Norwegian Krigsskolen, this higher officer training in Norwegian army, why? Because I had not motivation or intrest for this..
Even during my early 20's I chose a life many could only dream of, and I found it nearly as intresting as pilot career, maybe sometimes even more challenging. I was show producer and wild animal trainer (tigers and lions)
Then I had an ex girlfriend that f
me for all my money and work, and at the age of 32 started a new business with £200 a week job living in London. Note the following I started with £200, and now can if I want sponser my whole education , type rating and 500 hours jet training with MY OWN MONEY! Make the calcualation, and tell me if you make this money within your first 4 years as a pilot?I very much recent some of you guys attitude, actually I feel there is a bit of jealousy and bitterness from you wannabes that wish you could be in similar financial situation, but due to lack of mult task talent you are not able to concentrate about more then one thing at a time.
I know PPL is easy, however I took my PPL in Norway, I starterd the theory when I was 17 and still at college, I did self study, the Norwegian Aero Club sent me all the theory books, after few months I took my theory exam and passed it first time. (By the way same time that I took my A-levels) When I was 18/19 I combined my final year at college, flying lessons for PPL and part time job to PAY FOR MY OWN FLYING HOURS. Then when 19 I had part time factory job 12 hours a day, for 4 days a week, followed by 3.5 days non stop flying for PPL.
Because of the cost to travel to America, and because I did not HAVE RICH DADDY to back me up, I did not go to USA flight school when I was 21 as I had planned to do. Sometimes in life things doesnt always work out as you plan, however I HAVE NO REGRETS. I found another passion, you can actually have more then 1 passion in life, and that does not make it less.
I started travelling world wide, and got to know many pilots flying cargo jumbo jets, because my show travelled world wide, Asia and Mexico and USA.
Actually during these cargo flights I got the impression that the job could actually seem rather boring. There is not actually much real flying left for the pilot, still I have this attraction within me that I cant stop. But probably to be honest I would proably see more challenge and intrest in bush flying, that is real flying, and not some half automated robotic controller!
So you dare not judge me without knowing me, if you know me you can judge me! However neither of the last 2 comments says anything with any backing up of facts. Or as they say you are talking out of your a
!If I decide to fly, do you think I will limit myself only to fly in europe? I say it like this, find me a cockpit anywhere in the world, and I will call that my home. My friend who flies for Cathay tells me that there is much work in Asia if you are willing to move there! Now I have some experience in life, good and bad, I have done what I have done!
For you there under 25 remember one thing, the world is a rat race, only the strongest survive!
I dont want put anyone done, but it seems that the attitude of some of you guys in this thread stinks of double standard and false pretences. We dont live in a world that is fair, we dont live in a world where its always a happy ending. My motto has always been, where there is a will, there is a way!
Rise to the challenge and present your argument properly, and back it with some facts, instead of just throwing around slander - that is only based on your personal sad situation of life!
How do you bypass the selection process? In what way? Just because like airforce pilots you show jet experience instead of ONLY instruction time PIC on single engine!
Any airline will put you trough the same selection procedure, only difference is that you WILL ACTUALLY BE CONSIDERD, before you have spent 8 years instructing.
Tell me if you work as instructor for 3 years, how much will that cost you incl. living expenses to maybe get enough hours to maybe be able to find some place to apply for a job!
Calculate the difference and tell me what are your savings by not doing this?
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Pay to play!
Dont worry, I will be away in Miami for 3 weeks, so wont bother to fill up these screens until I return again! 
Anyway thanks for a very insightfull and helpfull reply, as always!
Anyway thanks for a very insightfull and helpfull reply, as always!
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tigermagicjohn,
It’s true, many pilots do get hired with a self funded rating and hours,
But in your case, don’t waste your time “filling up the whole dam screen”.
As you know the airline industry and the global market went down 2001 to hit the bottom at 2003, now we are in an upturn, (Hopefully many pilots will get hired in the near future without paying for hours) but for how long? Start your training now to get on the train eeh.. plane.
Of course self funded pilots have to pass interviews and sim check just like everyone else, and they don’t magically become bad pilots just because they paid for the experience themselves.
It’s true, many pilots do get hired with a self funded rating and hours,
But in your case, don’t waste your time “filling up the whole dam screen”.
As you know the airline industry and the global market went down 2001 to hit the bottom at 2003, now we are in an upturn, (Hopefully many pilots will get hired in the near future without paying for hours) but for how long? Start your training now to get on the train eeh.. plane. Of course self funded pilots have to pass interviews and sim check just like everyone else, and they don’t magically become bad pilots just because they paid for the experience themselves.
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They are probably at their wits end because thay have nowhere to turn due to the fact that they are not good pilot material.
Listen here my friend, I am currently looking at buying some jet time.
I am in fact a good pilot, have a current flying job, and have around 6000 hrs of flight experience. incl. around 3000 of small turbine.
My father, who is a dentist, last year spent around $30,000 on equipment and travel for training courses etc. This was to further his position in his career and to aquire the expereince to thus charge his patients a greater price.
So whats the difference, paying for a few block hrs in a jet with the view to gaining a position for example as a contract jet pilot, shouldn't be such a big drama.
Listen here my friend, I am currently looking at buying some jet time.
I am in fact a good pilot, have a current flying job, and have around 6000 hrs of flight experience. incl. around 3000 of small turbine.
My father, who is a dentist, last year spent around $30,000 on equipment and travel for training courses etc. This was to further his position in his career and to aquire the expereince to thus charge his patients a greater price.
So whats the difference, paying for a few block hrs in a jet with the view to gaining a position for example as a contract jet pilot, shouldn't be such a big drama.
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I don t normally participate in threads, but for some reason this one has really got to me.
Hazehoe - How could you? Shredding peoples CVs thats not nice and to be honest do you really think that is the behaviour of a mature pilot.
To be honest some days I wonder, we are suppose to be professionals ( ok that comment should not start the whole people who pay for hours are not professionals conversation) so why do we behave like children.
People who have problems with rich daddies, are you the ones who used to stand outside my school gate and throw things at me and my friends because me dad paid for a private school?
Like someone else said, life is like a deck of cards, some people get handed a better hand than others, some make wise choices, some make bad. Admittely if you re good at the game / being a pilot, then success may be a little more likely but not always the fact.
Now as someone said airlines know what airlines in Asia hire guys who pay for hours. Well do they know the differents between those that paid and those that got hired on a contract. I hope they do, I work, yes work, eg get paid, for an airline who takes/ took in Eaglejet pilots. So how will future employees know I didn t pay. Maybe someone like Hazehoe found my CV made a very rash judgement about who I might be due to the hours I had and the company I worked for and put it in the bin.
As for 500 hours worked and 500 hours bought, they are no different in experience, and unless you work side by side with people who bought hours you will never know. We have the same training captains, we have the same routes, same duty time, same aircraft, same SOPs and same 6 month check, we will also have the same spot checks. So how are their hours different to mine. They are not!!!
500 hours makes me a better pilot, why ? ( I know you guys like reason for every rash statement) Because before 500 hours, with say 40 hours I thought I was fairly good at my job, I now know how much I didn t know, how much better I know the technical side of my aircraft, how much if I went for an interview I would feel confident.
Should Eaglejet be stopped ? Well that depends, are people who pass the type rating below par, if so are you not accusing the people who did the test of letting sub standard people through, if si then those people should be held accountable. But by saying this you are saying that a fellow pilot is knowing sending people out there who are dangerous!!
Anyway just one last thing I live by a mantra,
DO AS YOU WOULD BE DONE BY
Next time people send vicious replies maybe you should take a look and think would I want someone else to treat me the way I treat them. Are they anyless of a human being because they do not follow my believes!
Hazehoe - How could you? Shredding peoples CVs thats not nice and to be honest do you really think that is the behaviour of a mature pilot.
To be honest some days I wonder, we are suppose to be professionals ( ok that comment should not start the whole people who pay for hours are not professionals conversation) so why do we behave like children.
People who have problems with rich daddies, are you the ones who used to stand outside my school gate and throw things at me and my friends because me dad paid for a private school?
Like someone else said, life is like a deck of cards, some people get handed a better hand than others, some make wise choices, some make bad. Admittely if you re good at the game / being a pilot, then success may be a little more likely but not always the fact.
Now as someone said airlines know what airlines in Asia hire guys who pay for hours. Well do they know the differents between those that paid and those that got hired on a contract. I hope they do, I work, yes work, eg get paid, for an airline who takes/ took in Eaglejet pilots. So how will future employees know I didn t pay. Maybe someone like Hazehoe found my CV made a very rash judgement about who I might be due to the hours I had and the company I worked for and put it in the bin.
As for 500 hours worked and 500 hours bought, they are no different in experience, and unless you work side by side with people who bought hours you will never know. We have the same training captains, we have the same routes, same duty time, same aircraft, same SOPs and same 6 month check, we will also have the same spot checks. So how are their hours different to mine. They are not!!!
500 hours makes me a better pilot, why ? ( I know you guys like reason for every rash statement) Because before 500 hours, with say 40 hours I thought I was fairly good at my job, I now know how much I didn t know, how much better I know the technical side of my aircraft, how much if I went for an interview I would feel confident.
Should Eaglejet be stopped ? Well that depends, are people who pass the type rating below par, if so are you not accusing the people who did the test of letting sub standard people through, if si then those people should be held accountable. But by saying this you are saying that a fellow pilot is knowing sending people out there who are dangerous!!
Anyway just one last thing I live by a mantra,
DO AS YOU WOULD BE DONE BY
Next time people send vicious replies maybe you should take a look and think would I want someone else to treat me the way I treat them. Are they anyless of a human being because they do not follow my believes!
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Blah blah blah sob sob my life's so hard and bought hours are as good as earned hours blah blah and I couldn't get into the airforce sob sob sob and I didn't have a rich daddy at all so stop picking on me blah blah sob sob.
Another couple of pages of hard luck stories and excuses and moral justifications and bitching and whining have come and gone in this thread and you lot STILL don't get it do you?
The reason Hazehoe was shredding CVs with such gleeful abandon (along with me, a great number of other chief pilots and recruitment personnel etc) has got nothing to do with the quality of the hours or the quality of the person concerned or otherwise, you might be the next Chuck Yeager or the next Mother Teresa for that matter.
The reason Hazehoe was shredding your CVs, and me and haughtney and anyone else who cares about the future of this industry, keep ripping into you lot purchasing these hours, is because your actions are taking money from the pocket of employed pilots right now, and destroying the future of this industry for ALL airline pilots.
Keep it coming for another 20 pages and you cant change that simple basic fact.
Another couple of pages of hard luck stories and excuses and moral justifications and bitching and whining have come and gone in this thread and you lot STILL don't get it do you?
The reason Hazehoe was shredding CVs with such gleeful abandon (along with me, a great number of other chief pilots and recruitment personnel etc) has got nothing to do with the quality of the hours or the quality of the person concerned or otherwise, you might be the next Chuck Yeager or the next Mother Teresa for that matter.
The reason Hazehoe was shredding your CVs, and me and haughtney and anyone else who cares about the future of this industry, keep ripping into you lot purchasing these hours, is because your actions are taking money from the pocket of employed pilots right now, and destroying the future of this industry for ALL airline pilots.
Keep it coming for another 20 pages and you cant change that simple basic fact.
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Oh dear.
I never bought hours.
Yet I don t feel the need to rip into people like they were little more than something you find on the bottom of your shoe.
Its a choice, not your choice, not my choice but a choice.
We should respect everyone for their choices.
As for the CV thing, do you really think that is a moral reason for not letting the people who matter make the choice?
If the chief pilots do it then fine, if head of recruitment, then fine, an airline has the right to make that choice, but a paper pusher does not have the right to make that choice.
CHOICE.
I never bought hours.
Yet I don t feel the need to rip into people like they were little more than something you find on the bottom of your shoe.
Its a choice, not your choice, not my choice but a choice.
We should respect everyone for their choices.
As for the CV thing, do you really think that is a moral reason for not letting the people who matter make the choice?
If the chief pilots do it then fine, if head of recruitment, then fine, an airline has the right to make that choice, but a paper pusher does not have the right to make that choice.
CHOICE.
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Please stop the politically correct mumbo jumbo(not nice,not professional,not mature etc,).
I do not respect anybody's choice to buy 500 hours, not because of the quality of hours(yes they are the same,why would they not be?)but because your buying buddy's are turning a professional pilot carreer path in to a joke.
I should be "nice" to sombody who will without a doubt cost me and my family money? I din't turn this industry in what it is today,i am trying to make a living in it.You must be joking. i don't care on which side of my shoe you are, you are going to get it.
Can you come up with some more "reason for rash statement" why you believe that this whole trend could lead to anything else than the destruction of a carreer path in professional aviation? No you can not ,thank you very much.Non of you have answered this question,many times asked here.You keep going on about your right of choices,respect,there are many different routes,the dentist and other nonsense
So you had a bad time as a child in private school and now you want to be treated nice and with respect? you would have to earn it first.
Wake up and step in to the real world.
Please stop the politically correct mumbo jumbo(not nice,not professional,not mature etc,).
I do not respect anybody's choice to buy 500 hours, not because of the quality of hours(yes they are the same,why would they not be?)but because your buying buddy's are turning a professional pilot carreer path in to a joke.
I should be "nice" to sombody who will without a doubt cost me and my family money? I din't turn this industry in what it is today,i am trying to make a living in it.You must be joking. i don't care on which side of my shoe you are, you are going to get it.
Can you come up with some more "reason for rash statement" why you believe that this whole trend could lead to anything else than the destruction of a carreer path in professional aviation? No you can not ,thank you very much.Non of you have answered this question,many times asked here.You keep going on about your right of choices,respect,there are many different routes,the dentist and other nonsense
So you had a bad time as a child in private school and now you want to be treated nice and with respect? you would have to earn it first.
Wake up and step in to the real world.
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No no I never had a bad time at school, I just never understood those people who as so angry at complete strangers.
Unfortunately you can pretty much date the time the airline industry was brought down to its knees.
I really hope that we are on the rise up out of the dark days. I remember the BALPA conferences a few years ago where there were no jobs, you could come out of training and no one got jobs. Now people get jobs out of training which is great news.
Those people that were just finishing were suddenly unable to get any type of job, yeh they could fork out more money and buy an instructors rating, alot of people did, some people went home and worked their arse off to pay for the bank loans they had taken out to fund the training. So I guess alot of people who have been out of the market for 4 years or so, suddenly decide to try and get the upper hand again.
I m not polictically correct I just believe that we shouldn t be really nasty to people.
I don t know what to do about the situation, I have a few ideas but I doubt they would work and without everyone sticking together they will never work.
I m probably living in a nice and fluffy world where I hope eventually it will come back round to being some way back to before, I doubt it will.
I am in your industry, these things affect me too, I have no one to impress by what I say, but still I say them.
As the title of this was eaglejet I shall answer that.
If Eaglejet are putting substandard pilots through then they should be accountable for.
If they are taking money without proper training then they are accountable for.
If they are sending students to airlines who are letting these pilots fly substandard and risk others, then they should be stopped.
But that is only if they do that, otherwise I m not sure how you can make it illegal, which I believe is what this post is about
So I ll leave this conversation because its got me nowhere except for the knives being turned on me.
Unfortunately you can pretty much date the time the airline industry was brought down to its knees.
I really hope that we are on the rise up out of the dark days. I remember the BALPA conferences a few years ago where there were no jobs, you could come out of training and no one got jobs. Now people get jobs out of training which is great news.
Those people that were just finishing were suddenly unable to get any type of job, yeh they could fork out more money and buy an instructors rating, alot of people did, some people went home and worked their arse off to pay for the bank loans they had taken out to fund the training. So I guess alot of people who have been out of the market for 4 years or so, suddenly decide to try and get the upper hand again.
I m not polictically correct I just believe that we shouldn t be really nasty to people.
I don t know what to do about the situation, I have a few ideas but I doubt they would work and without everyone sticking together they will never work.
I m probably living in a nice and fluffy world where I hope eventually it will come back round to being some way back to before, I doubt it will.
I am in your industry, these things affect me too, I have no one to impress by what I say, but still I say them.
As the title of this was eaglejet I shall answer that.
If Eaglejet are putting substandard pilots through then they should be accountable for.
If they are taking money without proper training then they are accountable for.
If they are sending students to airlines who are letting these pilots fly substandard and risk others, then they should be stopped.
But that is only if they do that, otherwise I m not sure how you can make it illegal, which I believe is what this post is about
So I ll leave this conversation because its got me nowhere except for the knives being turned on me.
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All pilots how paid for their CPL license, can any of you rich boys and girls justify your actions? You all just want to cut the line from military and sponsored schools. You have destroyed the hold industry. 
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Luke and hatzero,
I can understand your jealousy but you should be aware that while you are waisting your time on this topic hundreds of pilots are waiting on the list of eaglejet and it will never end because nothing is illegal.
Yes it is now a way to cut the line from pilots with more experience also looking for the same position and I did it but where is the problem? I am not the Mother Teresa! In a job search you do whatever you can to cut the line. Don't lie to you I suppose that you had the same attitude during your job prospect. Maybe you were lucky enough to find a job at the end of your IR-MCC, but when someone spend more than 2 years looking for a job it's time to wake up and do something that might improve your skills and increase the possibility to meet actual airlines requirements.
To invest in further qualifications and training is a non-easy personal decision and yes it costs money but nothing is free in that life and if you do not have sufficient funds to follow that way, sorry but it is not our problem (altough I personnaly believe that when we are motivated everything is possible)
You are completely out of the reality. Eaglejet exists since over than ten years, and the industry is now going up very fast. I don't know if you are interested in A/C orders and deliveries in the world, maybe you should read the aviation industry news (between 2 replies on this topic). Could you please explain how come we destroy the future of this industry?? Does the industry seems now destroyed since eaglejet has sent hundreds of pilots each year?? Eaglejet may have sent 50 pilots in 2005 on the 737 or A320, anyway it is well below the need of only one airline in China or India during that year. A lot of jobs will be soon available for suitable qualified guys, buying a line training at the moment is just securing the position faster. I do not talk about doing a type rating which is a must, because beeing qualified on a C152 or light twin is nice but if you want to fly a jet, it is a minimum to be qualified on the proper aircraft before sending your application to the airline. It's like if you apply for a trucker position with your car driver license..., is it logical?
Most airlines have an union and believe me we are not taking money from the big pocket of employed pilots. If an airline decides to cut the pay of all his employees it is not because of pilots paying for their line training, it's because the management realized that they have been over paying for a long time and the best way to make profit and stay in the game (it is a business) is to cut a little bit the salaries. But don't stress they are all still well paid. We can see that most pilots complaining like you do are the old ones who are scared to loose their priviledge acquired a long time ago when beeing a pilot was only open for crack guys. If your interest in a pilot life is only money and glory you choose the wrong way. Personally I don't see any glory to be considered as a bus driver, do you?
I can understand your jealousy but you should be aware that while you are waisting your time on this topic hundreds of pilots are waiting on the list of eaglejet and it will never end because nothing is illegal.
Yes it is now a way to cut the line from pilots with more experience also looking for the same position and I did it but where is the problem? I am not the Mother Teresa! In a job search you do whatever you can to cut the line. Don't lie to you I suppose that you had the same attitude during your job prospect. Maybe you were lucky enough to find a job at the end of your IR-MCC, but when someone spend more than 2 years looking for a job it's time to wake up and do something that might improve your skills and increase the possibility to meet actual airlines requirements.
To invest in further qualifications and training is a non-easy personal decision and yes it costs money but nothing is free in that life and if you do not have sufficient funds to follow that way, sorry but it is not our problem (altough I personnaly believe that when we are motivated everything is possible)
and destroying the future of this industry for ALL airline pilots
your actions are taking money from the pocket of employed pilots right now
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