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How did you manage to pay for your TR with Ryanair after having paid for all your training? Did you extend your loan with the same bank? I
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I used to be a regular visitor and ocassional contributor on Prune. I have not been back for some years, and now I know why.
I posted a genuine enquiry hoping for some genuine info from a fellow professional.
Most of what I see is a lot peurile bickering, abuse and generally infantile posting.
What a shame.
I posted a genuine enquiry hoping for some genuine info from a fellow professional.
Most of what I see is a lot peurile bickering, abuse and generally infantile posting.
What a shame.
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TheBeak: I dont understand what you mean when you say i missed the point about working hard and being selected to do something, can you clarify?
Anyway joking aside, my story is that i started training when the industry was booming not too long ago. During that time i knew people who were getting 4, 5 and more interviews after getting their ir. However by the time i finished oil cost around 150 and the recession was just hitting - and the airlines had stopped hiring.
I considered doing an instructors rating, because instructing had always interested me. However a couple of friends of mine that had not made it through the ryanair selection process had gotten instructor ratings and could not find any work. I sent hundreds of cvs and got absolutely zero interviews....except one of course. After passing the ryanair selection process i was pretty happy about it considering i had several friends who didnt make it and were now totally out of job options just like i would have been if i had been rejected.
Unfortunately the reality of having to pay for the rating wasnt quite so pleasing - so yes, the bank extended my loan on the basis that the type rating would lead to employment with ryanair. I'm not ashamed to admit it, i now get paid to fly 737s and shudder at the thought of the situation 99% of graduates find themselves in.
Would you have done differantly in my position? I have no qualifications other than my licences and would have faced most likely several years if not longer (or never) of waiting for another job opportunity. The type rating itself was tough....hard, hard work - but i made it through and passed the lst first time without having to pay for any extra training through sheer hard work and determination. I certainly felt shafted not getting at least some form of salary while i was putting in all that blood, sweat and tears so that i could go out afterwards and make money for ryanair - but hey, i had NO other options.
So there you go, im not ashamed - that was what i was faced with when i qualified and that isnt my fault or the fault of any other poor chump with 200hrs and a frozen atpl.
Anyway joking aside, my story is that i started training when the industry was booming not too long ago. During that time i knew people who were getting 4, 5 and more interviews after getting their ir. However by the time i finished oil cost around 150 and the recession was just hitting - and the airlines had stopped hiring.
I considered doing an instructors rating, because instructing had always interested me. However a couple of friends of mine that had not made it through the ryanair selection process had gotten instructor ratings and could not find any work. I sent hundreds of cvs and got absolutely zero interviews....except one of course. After passing the ryanair selection process i was pretty happy about it considering i had several friends who didnt make it and were now totally out of job options just like i would have been if i had been rejected.
Unfortunately the reality of having to pay for the rating wasnt quite so pleasing - so yes, the bank extended my loan on the basis that the type rating would lead to employment with ryanair. I'm not ashamed to admit it, i now get paid to fly 737s and shudder at the thought of the situation 99% of graduates find themselves in.
Would you have done differantly in my position? I have no qualifications other than my licences and would have faced most likely several years if not longer (or never) of waiting for another job opportunity. The type rating itself was tough....hard, hard work - but i made it through and passed the lst first time without having to pay for any extra training through sheer hard work and determination. I certainly felt shafted not getting at least some form of salary while i was putting in all that blood, sweat and tears so that i could go out afterwards and make money for ryanair - but hey, i had NO other options.
So there you go, im not ashamed - that was what i was faced with when i qualified and that isnt my fault or the fault of any other poor chump with 200hrs and a frozen atpl.
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And that's a much better, informative response, so thank you.
If you are going to leave me to assume, I'll tend to assume the worst, it's just the way I am. However now you have offered a detailed response, I completely understand your situation, can see your point and agree you have done well to get all done without any 'extras'.
Don't be ashamed.
Cheers.
TheBeak: I dont understand what you mean when you say i missed the point about working hard and being selected to do something, can you clarify?
Don't be ashamed.
Cheers.
McNulty's story of hard work and sacrifice is actually more common than a lot of people realise, hence why we become a little prickly when accused of thoughtlessly ruining the industry for the more established players. Cast your minds back to when many of us were considering training to become commercial airlines pilots. Here are some quotes from pprune which helped us make up our minds to follow our dreams:-
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These words were typed in July and October 2006 by a moderator well known to the Wannabe forums. In fairness, there were also many discenting voices even back then in 2006, but the mood was generally very upbeat and encouraging!
Times change, of course, but many people currently searching for jobs or taking the Ryanair route are not 'trolls'.
...in fact the hiring market is red hot, the JAA Frzn ATPL is cheaper in real terms than the old CAP509 course was that it replaced and there has never been a better time to train...Competition for your first job is vicious and nasty. Nevertheless - the hiring market is as hot as it is likely to get.
...like me you might still self sponsor your way through the Modular route and become a debt free Captain on a modern jet before you are 30. It can be done.
Times change, of course, but many people currently searching for jobs or taking the Ryanair route are not 'trolls'.
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As long as you can hang out at the vegetable aisle at sainsbury's in your two gold bars and aviator shades, I am sure it will have been worth the £100k+.
As long as you can hang out at the vegetable aisle at sainsbury's in your two gold bars and aviator shades, I am sure it will have been worth the £100k+.
Needless to say, it suprises me little given the amount of sh1te that you spout about Ryanair and the airline industry in general!
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Has anyone out there recently followed the Brookfield cadet route or is currently just getting started that can confirm the pay and basing policy during training and after line check. Does the pay yo yo a great deal or can you feel safe that you won't be on the wrong side of the Bank Manager at the end of the Month. Do you get to suggest a choice of base or is it a lotto with an overseas post most likely for new joiners with a long wait to get to the base of your choice ?
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woofly31,
Pay does yo yo and has done over the past 9 months I have been with the company, anything from 2.5k to 6.4k all these figures are before tax so please remeber tax and NI has to come out. But it does keep the bank at arms length with regards to the loans, but having a over draft is very useful!!
Base wise there is now a UK freeze so you will most likly be able to line train within the UK but for a base since there is no movement in or out of the UK you will be being based in mainland europe! These freeze is set to last till the end of the year where it will then be lifted or continued!
Good luck
Pay does yo yo and has done over the past 9 months I have been with the company, anything from 2.5k to 6.4k all these figures are before tax so please remeber tax and NI has to come out. But it does keep the bank at arms length with regards to the loans, but having a over draft is very useful!!
Base wise there is now a UK freeze so you will most likly be able to line train within the UK but for a base since there is no movement in or out of the UK you will be being based in mainland europe! These freeze is set to last till the end of the year where it will then be lifted or continued!
Good luck
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I feel that you are just trying to make youself feel better about the decisions you have made and convince yourself that you are right and I am wrong.
Needless to say, it suprises me little given the amount of sh1te that you spout about Ryanair and the airline industry in general!
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Smith, my old chum...I need not convince myself of anything. I am perfectly happy with my career and indeed my projected path. As I said, and reiterate, Ryanair aren't perfect, however many of the imperfections are often outweighed by what I have experienced, achieved and can achieve in the airline. Other things could be improved and possibly might. In the meantime, no one is trying to convince anyone that FR is a career airline; however the skills that you develop here are transferable and desirable to any other. History proves that and many treat FR that way. Others don't, and remain happy with their lot.
To many, this is a balanced view of what Ryanair is. Something that you are incapable or indeed unprepared to grasp. I don't care what your reason is for doing so either, but I can probably make some assumptions based on your blatant displays of petulance. Good luck in your career, my old friend - with whoever or whatever that may be?? I hope no one from the 'outside' makes such an outspoken, cascading, ill-informed and biased attack on whatever you do or what choices you have made.
To many, this is a balanced view of what Ryanair is. Something that you are incapable or indeed unprepared to grasp. I don't care what your reason is for doing so either, but I can probably make some assumptions based on your blatant displays of petulance. Good luck in your career, my old friend - with whoever or whatever that may be?? I hope no one from the 'outside' makes such an outspoken, cascading, ill-informed and biased attack on whatever you do or what choices you have made.
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If you have 73NG Command experience Bob it will most likely be quite straightforward on the tech stuff, limitations, personal experience stuff etc.
I think for the experienced D/E guys its more about convincing them you will fit in, keep your head down and are able to fully adopt the company SOP's. (even recently some DE guys have found the latter aspect quite challenging)
Ryanair are just looking for guys to turn up, do a good job, on time, save a bit of fuel then take their money and go home. If that basic relationship suits you all should be well but if you are looking for Smoked Salmon, Vintage Malt, red carpets and a big pat on the back, then don't bother attending. HTH!
I think for the experienced D/E guys its more about convincing them you will fit in, keep your head down and are able to fully adopt the company SOP's. (even recently some DE guys have found the latter aspect quite challenging)
Ryanair are just looking for guys to turn up, do a good job, on time, save a bit of fuel then take their money and go home. If that basic relationship suits you all should be well but if you are looking for Smoked Salmon, Vintage Malt, red carpets and a big pat on the back, then don't bother attending. HTH!
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Hi guys
I have just completed training and have a JAA ATPL(f) Issued in the UK.
I understand from reading this thread that I would be required (obviously if accepted by Ryanair) to convert to an IAA license. Does this also mean that I need to pay for an IAA medical or is my JAA class 1 medical acceptable?
Thanks for any hekp on this.
I have just completed training and have a JAA ATPL(f) Issued in the UK.
I understand from reading this thread that I would be required (obviously if accepted by Ryanair) to convert to an IAA license. Does this also mean that I need to pay for an IAA medical or is my JAA class 1 medical acceptable?
Thanks for any hekp on this.
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they accept UK CAA class one...When transfering your licence, you'll have to call the CAA to transfer your medical file to the IAA, with a fee of £50.
Even once with your IAA licence, you can still get your recurrent check done it the UK and sent it off to the IAA...
hope this helps
Even once with your IAA licence, you can still get your recurrent check done it the UK and sent it off to the IAA...
hope this helps
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Stefair,
I suspect you will. In fact, I would go so far as to say... count on it!
I got severely messed around (could use more colourful language than that but it's a Sunday afternoon) by CAE in this respect when I did my RyanAir 737 MCC course with them last year February. Not only did they lie open-faced to us when I queried this which you're asking (i.e. would we have to undergo a sim ride check during the RYR interview - it had been specifically PROMISED to us that we wouldn't) but they then also took over 3 months to arrange that interview after we passed (which was no mean feat considering the crap instruction on offer). All of which meant recency of sim skills had pretty much gone out the window by the time I got to East Midlands for the interview proper. CAE even had the audacity to claim they had helped us out by saving us the cost of the sim ride... which we were never meant to take in the first place!! So, if you can keep smiling after being lied to AS WELL AS stay hot on a full motion sim after time away (your interview may not happen for months... you have to consider that it could take even longer than it did for the group I was in?!), good luck to you.
I acutally took the matter to a solicitor here in the UK (after being effectively lied to by CAE) - I was informed that I did have a legal case but it would be difficult to prove given international law and that it's not a simple case of mis-representation (it's more complicatedthan that but I won't bore you with the details here - PM me if you want to).
True's Bob - CAE got their highly paid lawyers to weasle their way out of it by sprouting all kinds of nonsense and then finally pointing me to a court of law in Belgium if I wanted to take things further. Obviously, the prospect of taking a large company to court in another country is daunting to say the least - consider the financial implications to begin with?
The cherry on the top? I still have copies of both CAE and RyanAir's website pages which connfirm that no sim ride would be necessary if you did the MCC with CAE - this information was still publicly listed after I had completed the MCC course! When my solicitor started formal correspondence with CAE, both companies very quickly changed their websites!
Critically, you will find no reassurance of not having to sit a sim ride after completing a CAE MCC on their websites now.
Again, and if you would like proof, PM me and I'll send you copies of the web pages they had before I kicked off all hell with them...
In Summary:
Avoid CAE at all costs is my advice - they are unscrupulous and don't give a flying monkey (excuse the pun) about trainees. Line 'em up, hose 'em down... move on! Rinse, repeat, et al.
I suspect you will. In fact, I would go so far as to say... count on it!
I got severely messed around (could use more colourful language than that but it's a Sunday afternoon) by CAE in this respect when I did my RyanAir 737 MCC course with them last year February. Not only did they lie open-faced to us when I queried this which you're asking (i.e. would we have to undergo a sim ride check during the RYR interview - it had been specifically PROMISED to us that we wouldn't) but they then also took over 3 months to arrange that interview after we passed (which was no mean feat considering the crap instruction on offer). All of which meant recency of sim skills had pretty much gone out the window by the time I got to East Midlands for the interview proper. CAE even had the audacity to claim they had helped us out by saving us the cost of the sim ride... which we were never meant to take in the first place!! So, if you can keep smiling after being lied to AS WELL AS stay hot on a full motion sim after time away (your interview may not happen for months... you have to consider that it could take even longer than it did for the group I was in?!), good luck to you.
I acutally took the matter to a solicitor here in the UK (after being effectively lied to by CAE) - I was informed that I did have a legal case but it would be difficult to prove given international law and that it's not a simple case of mis-representation (it's more complicatedthan that but I won't bore you with the details here - PM me if you want to).
True's Bob - CAE got their highly paid lawyers to weasle their way out of it by sprouting all kinds of nonsense and then finally pointing me to a court of law in Belgium if I wanted to take things further. Obviously, the prospect of taking a large company to court in another country is daunting to say the least - consider the financial implications to begin with?
The cherry on the top? I still have copies of both CAE and RyanAir's website pages which connfirm that no sim ride would be necessary if you did the MCC with CAE - this information was still publicly listed after I had completed the MCC course! When my solicitor started formal correspondence with CAE, both companies very quickly changed their websites!
Critically, you will find no reassurance of not having to sit a sim ride after completing a CAE MCC on their websites now.
Again, and if you would like proof, PM me and I'll send you copies of the web pages they had before I kicked off all hell with them...
In Summary:
Avoid CAE at all costs is my advice - they are unscrupulous and don't give a flying monkey (excuse the pun) about trainees. Line 'em up, hose 'em down... move on! Rinse, repeat, et al.
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RYR Type Rating
Hey guys,
I was accepted for the type rating with Ryanair in May of this year. Is there anyone who was accepted around that time that has heard anything about a course start?
Talked to my former school today and they said something about a course start in March next year, haven't heard anything from Ryanair themselves though.
Cheers!
I was accepted for the type rating with Ryanair in May of this year. Is there anyone who was accepted around that time that has heard anything about a course start?
Talked to my former school today and they said something about a course start in March next year, haven't heard anything from Ryanair themselves though.
Cheers!
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Does anyone know when RYR will be running selections again?
Also, do you guys know whether the No Airline Experience requirement is strictly followed by RYR or have people with say a little TP experience still been invited for selection for the cadet program or does any airline experience automatically disqualify you from joining as FO? Thank you.
Also, do you guys know whether the No Airline Experience requirement is strictly followed by RYR or have people with say a little TP experience still been invited for selection for the cadet program or does any airline experience automatically disqualify you from joining as FO? Thank you.