Ryanair Interview and Sim Assessment (merged)
Good luck trying to compete with thousands (I estimate 6000 in UK/Eire) of qualified 737/A320/330/380/777/787 pilots against your 250hrs and no rating.
Our profession is being slaughtered, nobody will recruit to those levels in a while, be realistic guys. Get a job to ensure you have money to keep licenses current, best advice I can give.
This was sent today by Emirates...
Our profession is being slaughtered, nobody will recruit to those levels in a while, be realistic guys. Get a job to ensure you have money to keep licenses current, best advice I can give.
This was sent today by Emirates...
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To me, that sounds like a really logical next step for RYR. There will never, ever be a shortage of 200-hour chaps who would happily part with a bag of cash for the chance of putting on that shiny uniform, even if it means no guaranteed income and severely culled earning potential for some time to come.
Sounds like denial to me, pink unicorns with all due respect. The cadet scheme is now bonded without the full upfront payment option, as you may have read here. If they reverse the scheme, then it may make sense, however, I believe the training capacity they have will be focused on those in their training college already.
Entering the scheme now could also see you sit on a pool for a while before you even see the dirty jet(they are filthy) and put that cheap quality uniform.
There is also the legal aspect of making employees redundant then hire replacements within a year, in the UK is ilegal. I believe the government made a point about business taking the Job retention scheme money, than making people redundant. Would be even worse taking the money, making the redundancies whilst still recruiting cadets. Ryanair accepted a substantial financial support from the UK government.
If the European market picks up faster than predicted, OCC’s are cheaper and faster to run and pilots require a handful of sectors whilst a cadet needs a minimum of 64.
Emirates fired 1/4 of it’s pilots today with more to come(update on my previous post, it’s actually 950 as of now). Many of them have 737 ratings as many came from Ryanair, Norwegian, Fly dubai etc.
Honestly, you guys have to be measured and make decisions with a lot of consideration, again, it’s sound advice and it’s free!
You lot are in denial.
Entering the scheme now could also see you sit on a pool for a while before you even see the dirty jet(they are filthy) and put that cheap quality uniform.
There is also the legal aspect of making employees redundant then hire replacements within a year, in the UK is ilegal. I believe the government made a point about business taking the Job retention scheme money, than making people redundant. Would be even worse taking the money, making the redundancies whilst still recruiting cadets. Ryanair accepted a substantial financial support from the UK government.
If the European market picks up faster than predicted, OCC’s are cheaper and faster to run and pilots require a handful of sectors whilst a cadet needs a minimum of 64.
Emirates fired 1/4 of it’s pilots today with more to come(update on my previous post, it’s actually 950 as of now). Many of them have 737 ratings as many came from Ryanair, Norwegian, Fly dubai etc.
Honestly, you guys have to be measured and make decisions with a lot of consideration, again, it’s sound advice and it’s free!
You lot are in denial.
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If they reverse the scheme, then it may make sense
It's a way of making money - and a truly big one. Only giving RYR the second place in the "Pay an arm and a leg for a 737 type rating" department (with the first one being held by a certain company on the other end of Europe, charging €35,000 for it). So, I think that it would be denial to think that they will not avail of this. If that became the case and I was an applicant, I wouldn't be worried about the assessment and the course. I would be worried about being assigned enough work to pay the bills for the month.
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Some people have gone off on meltdown..
I was just trying to work out if RYR no longer do type ratings via CAE? Have they parted ways? Any application that was with CAE no longer exists?
I was just trying to work out if RYR no longer do type ratings via CAE? Have they parted ways? Any application that was with CAE no longer exists?
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As far as I'm aware, they parted ways with CAE just before COVID. The new provider is Airline Flight Academy. If you had an application with CAE then it would have been transferred to the new organisation.
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It's possible to apply for the cadet talent pool or for the type-rated pilot talent pool. However, it's anyone's question when can this possibly lead to an interview and maybe even a job in the end of it. My personal bet is not before 2021.
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2021!!! Jesus that’s optimistic! We are looking at about 1/4 to 1/3rd of all airline pilot jobs in Europe becoming redundant. Sadly there will be 10s of thousands of experienced and type-rated pilots ahead of you in the queue. And europe has a very young pilot age group overall so there is no “retirement wave” due which will save us.
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Type ratings in themselves are a massive source of revenue for RYR. €29,500 is a lot more than the self-worth of the course and the training department is alleged to generate a couple of milion euro of revenue every year. Moreover, low-hour pilots are on a lower payscale. So, I wouldn't be so certain that in the coming years only experienced pilots will be recruited. Someone needs to feed that training department by "buying the dream" for some mere €29,500 and a contract with 0 guaranteed hours, 12 guaranteed hours or anything in between afterwards. Whoever can afford it can quite realistically have some chance within the next year.
de minimus non curat lex
As Ryanair will determine the ‘revised’ T&Cs of returning contract pilots who will require minimal retraining, followed by testing. Minimum supervised line training then follows; why take on new cadets if there is a rapid need to meet demand and get “flight deck bums on seats”?
And not to mention cabin crew, engineers and other support staff.
This is the “V” shaped recovery we are all hoping for.
The “L” shape recovery might result in a different response.
Junior birdmen must take PILOT LZ submission with a certain amount of caution.
Caveat Emptor.
Do not take it as the GREEN light just yet. Boris has just announced some releasing of restrictions.
My Crystal Ball is still somewhat opaque and will remain so until then end of 2020.
And not to mention cabin crew, engineers and other support staff.
This is the “V” shaped recovery we are all hoping for.
The “L” shape recovery might result in a different response.
Junior birdmen must take PILOT LZ submission with a certain amount of caution.
Caveat Emptor.
Do not take it as the GREEN light just yet. Boris has just announced some releasing of restrictions.
My Crystal Ball is still somewhat opaque and will remain so until then end of 2020.
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In the current situation of severely reduced demand even for the cheapest of flights and lots of unemployed 737 drivers out there and with a company where the "cash is king" mantra has been done to death ever since, I would be absolutely amazed if any company cash would be invested into training someone. Rated or self-funded sound far more practical. A training bond is a good thing for an airline under a completely different set of circumstances, namely when many candidates are required (and some of them are perfectly capable but not in a position to pay for the type rating out of their own pocket) and when pilot retention is a problem (and that won't be the case for some time as well since there won't be too many better alternatives available). In this situation, funding anyone's training is an unnecessary burden and damage to the liquidity of the company. Why pay for someone's type rating if you can either get a rated pilot or one who's able to self-fund the course? So, whenever recruitment starts, it would be safer to expect more of a pre-2015 arrangement than a 2018-style one.
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Maybe recruitment for Direct Entry will open again towards in November. It depends on the MAX certification and how Europe will deal with the second wave of the virus, which is already on its way.