Ryanair Interview and Sim Assessment (merged)

[Sorath]

Really didn't intend to start a fire here... on the contrary, healty debate is always appreciated.

Just saying that a low hour pilot is going to get paid less that a FO with more experience... which is normal ... for any industry not only aviation. So I believe that perhaps (with less knowledge than you guys I guess) an airline would prefer this profile before a 2k FH FO... maybe I'm totally wrong. Just saying it's cheaper to have. I UNDERSTAND that the profession get devalued this way but capitalism has that side as well and we cannot pretend it doesn't exist.

My comment was just because I have a feeling that many people are starting to get very competitive and it seems like current pilots are willing to portray the situation as a living hell to scare off wannabes... my feeling of some individual not all, others are pretty kind and helpful (altruism I guess)

[Raph737]

Mate, people are not getting competitive. We are giving advice to the youngsters so you don’t get in a difficult situation like many of us did.

Nobody is portraying a “living hell”, do you think we want to be in this situation? It’s the truth my friend.

I have pilots friends flying all over Europe/world, there isn't a single pilot who isn't afraid of losing their job, some fly legacy and others low cost.

How long was the 9/11 grounding? Compare it to now.

When it comes to recruitment, there were years where I wouldn’t get a single reply to my cadet applications, to the contrary of what was promised by flight schools. On the other hand, I had five interview offers the same week I’ve stepped out of This outfit.

There are insurance considerations, as well as Limitations as to what you can do and who you can fly with as a cadet, that’s added cost. Although long term it is cheaper, it will depend on company’s training capacity and what the market demands in terms of growth.

It is unprecedented to ground aviation for such a long period of time, and there are thousands of people in different sectors losing their jobs. Meaning, people’s priorities wont be to go on holidays as soon as there’s some money coming in and businesses will refrain of premium travel.

Again, it took me several years to get a job and you need to be humble. Don’t believe any flight school, their job is to sell you the dream.

[Sorath]

thank you. This is the sort of comment I wish to read. Not heeeyy prepare 150K for a TR, it's just not constructive. Give this man a beer! Mic drop!! Just childish...

I am trying to be humble, I just don't want to be influenced by jokers. I really want to get into this business, I have my plan B, I can wait it out, but I certainly don't want to have to go through that.

I've postponed my training till October to see how airlines get along this summer. To see if there will be a recovery of some sort.

So yes I appreciate the conservative comments, It's a lot of money I'm going to pour into this... as I expect to live off it.

[Banana Joe]

Not hearing good news from people based in Poland. They will be grounded throughout May and could be protracted after that.

[Banana Joe]

Sorath

Training a cadet is expensive. You may pay for the TR yourself, but TRI and LTC are paid extra and the line training for a cadet is longer, plus all the ground courses, etc.
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[Arnas]

Meanwhile I received an e-mail stating that I successfully passed online assessment and will be contacted in due course

[Sorath]

Originally Posted by Banana Joe

Training a cadet is expensive. You may pay for the TR yourself, but TRI and LTC are paid extra and the line training for a cadet is longer, plus all the ground courses, etc.
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But over , let's say, a 3 year period is it still profitable to hire a senior FO than a Cadet?

[Banana Joe]

If that senior FO over 3 years becomes a captain or even a LTC, then yes. Pilots with experience in many places are eligible also for other ground duties such as safety department, etc. Every airline is different.

When it recovers (and I doubt it will get back to the previous level), airlines will need to get pilots that can be qualified or re-qualified quickly. That's hardly the case with cadets.

By all means, go ahead with your training and do it modular, and keep an eye on the industry and act accordingly.

[MCDU2]

Originally Posted by Banana Joe

Training a cadet is expensive. You may pay for the TR yourself, but TRI and LTC are paid extra and the line training for a cadet is longer, plus all the ground courses, etc.
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Basic maths would imply its actually a relatively inexpensive expense where compared to the TR. 20k a year (as a guess) supplement spread out over the number of days that an instructor is available to work (365 days, less holidays, days off (4 per 9 days), SEP, their own SIM twice a year, sick days). Probably less than 100eur a day extra for the LHS TRE to hand hold the cadet. 50 odd sectors or whatever FR dictates (guess again) - 4 sectors a day would mean 2 weeks minimum and a line check at the end.

It used to be that the cadet paid for the safety pilot effectively as well by not earning - this has hopefully changed but highlighted just how little cost FR actually incurred of the training.

[Citationcj2]

Originally Posted by FlyingGreek

my friend has an interview on the 24th March so they’re still happening.

Well how did that interview go, do you mind me asking you??

[Sorath]

MCDU2

So you say that, FR model is economically profitable accounting for the training expenses... plus almost all new pilots would want to be Contractors since they earn more and I guess it costs less for FR, plusplus they have more control/leverage over these guys since they can lose their jobs from morning to afternoon.

[ribenaFlaps]

Hi guys, my interview got cancelled last week and I didn’t get a new date. Did that happen to anyone else?

[ford cortina]

Seriously, I cannot believe this. Ryanair have all their staff on the ground. If this was over tomorrow, they will only need pilots ready to go, who are cleared to line etc. So once they have got all their people flying again, then and only then they may look at recruitment. Seeing they have not had any more deliveries, seeing the MAX is not yet being delivered, I would think it will be quite some time before they start to hire again in any numbers. Ryanair's hiring boom is over, for the foreseeable future, to launch into training on the hope they will give you a job is pure insanity.
Save your money

[Pinuz89]

There is one thing to take into account, experienced pilots are, in general, looking for a more concrete stability, they might have a family (also young FOs can have, but on average), of course a 10k hours Capt is not looking to go to a charter company in Vietnam (with all due respect to Vietnam).

Young and unexperienced cadets, averagely, are more prone to go almost everywhere, accepting also non permanent contract, and this is what happened in the past and what is going to, in the near future.
We might have to accept a renewable contract in the middle of nowhere, to get some hours.

[Banana Joe]

Well, I see Susi Air are recruiting. The problem is to get there for the assessment.

[marwan26]

Originally Posted by Arnas

Meanwhile I received an e-mail stating that I successfully passed online assessment and will be contacted in due course

Congrats! Whatever is happening out there right now. How long was it since you did the tests?

[Wertytg]

Originally Posted by Arnas

Meanwhile I received an e-mail stating that I successfully passed online assessment and will be contacted in due course

Yeah me too, the only thing they needed from me was to create a profile

[Arnas]

Thank you! Almost two weeks.

[737fl]

I just did the online assessment. I don’t have UPRT. Only time will tell if anything comes of it!

[Augis1999]

Should we get email if the online assessment has not been successful? Exactly two weeks passed and havent heard anything from AFA