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You'll find that almost everyone is flying less over the winter than the summer. The contracts on offer for experienced FOs at the likes of Thomson and Jet 2 are along the lines of 70%/80% initially with time off over the winter.
This is a seasonal industry, and those expecting 90h/month all year round anywhere are barking up the wrong tree. The difference between the places I have mentioned above and FR and EZY are the contract - the EZY Flexi types and the BRK/Storm contractors at FR only get paid when they fly, whereas Jet2 and Thomson will give you a reduced basic over the winter.
The grass is always greener wherever you choose to go. Anyone suggesting that airlines are organised enough to divvy up the hours according to pay rates though has little inside experience of airline rostering and how haphazard it can be.
This is a seasonal industry, and those expecting 90h/month all year round anywhere are barking up the wrong tree. The difference between the places I have mentioned above and FR and EZY are the contract - the EZY Flexi types and the BRK/Storm contractors at FR only get paid when they fly, whereas Jet2 and Thomson will give you a reduced basic over the winter.
The grass is always greener wherever you choose to go. Anyone suggesting that airlines are organised enough to divvy up the hours according to pay rates though has little inside experience of airline rostering and how haphazard it can be.
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Morals and ethics are very much part of being a professional pilot AT3. Display any other kind of behaviour and you will find it very hard to work with a crew anywhere. Maybe you should tear up your licence and become a freelance broker in the city?
A few weeks ago 500 of these pay-drivers admitted they felt current employment and other conditions are dangerous in the airline. Tell me lads, as professional licence holders, why do you want to join them? Why do you hate flying?
A few weeks ago 500 of these pay-drivers admitted they felt current employment and other conditions are dangerous in the airline. Tell me lads, as professional licence holders, why do you want to join them? Why do you hate flying?
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Unrotunetly morals are one thing and worlds economic situation is another one, just to let you know they don't go together TT!
If you have bothered to read I did say that I was always against practices many carries like to use to their advantage.
Morals, integrity and honesty are extremely important at work and in daily life, as somebody with a bit of life experience and some yeras in aviation industry I can tell you one thing.
Old times will not come back! So do make the best out of the resources that you have or you will be the one to tear up your licence as you will get fed up of waiting.
Nobody, I repeat nobody will listen to what you think about people paying for their TR and working for peanuts at RYR.
They will do it because they want to move forward and they are no other resource out there.
I don't hate flying and I'm sure you do not as well but if you want to fly just for love of flying get a job that will allow you to buy your own AC and ENJOY!
You surely won't change your mind but don't judge people because they went for RYR as you don't know what circumstances they might be in.
Just stand by and watch everyone move forward, I'm personally tired of it!
If you have bothered to read I did say that I was always against practices many carries like to use to their advantage.
Morals, integrity and honesty are extremely important at work and in daily life, as somebody with a bit of life experience and some yeras in aviation industry I can tell you one thing.
Old times will not come back! So do make the best out of the resources that you have or you will be the one to tear up your licence as you will get fed up of waiting.
Nobody, I repeat nobody will listen to what you think about people paying for their TR and working for peanuts at RYR.
They will do it because they want to move forward and they are no other resource out there.
I don't hate flying and I'm sure you do not as well but if you want to fly just for love of flying get a job that will allow you to buy your own AC and ENJOY!
You surely won't change your mind but don't judge people because they went for RYR as you don't know what circumstances they might be in.
Just stand by and watch everyone move forward, I'm personally tired of it!
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Am I correct in saying that there is no opportunity to attach a CV during the CAE Ryanair application? I am worried I may be missing something as the site seemed slightly buggy when I applied. Cheers.
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I believe you fill out the profile page on the CAE website. And Each week or so FR send a criteria/profile of cadet. E.g this week/month we want guys/gals who are between 22-26 and Italian French and English. That could change to something completely different the week after! CAE will have a system that filters all the info out to match what they're looking for. As for accepting CV's and inputting the data themselves wouldn't be very practical!
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And TT. Based on what PIOSEE and a few others said, I'd imagine if you're waiting for an airline that pays for everything from the word go. You'll be waiting for some time. But I would be careful to slate others for their choice to join RYR. As another poster said you don't know their situation. As your opinion is only an opinion and like mine, it doesn't mean you're right nor wrong. So respect others for theirs! And if I was a betting man I'd be placing the odds on the RYR guy who who racked up a couple if thousand hours on a 737-8 to move on to greener pastures vs a guy who didn't just to prove a point to his family and friends. But you're right, as that's your opinion. :-) In the states you'd have to fly a Cessna caravan for years or work in a regional airline if you're lucky for $20,000 per year before getting some jet time. In Europe we have RYR, EZY etc. all of which make you pay. Either way you pay, directly or indirectly! Whether that's right or not, well that's down to someone's opinion. The fact is, as it stands today that's just the way it is. Best of luck TT. Remember us commoners when you're flying high!
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Tr started in april.
Lt started in end of july.
First money in august.
88hours in november.
342 on type in 4 months(85,5 average pm)
average net salary after tax in IE and spain:
3400euros.
Really without reason to complain.
Lt started in end of july.
First money in august.
88hours in november.
342 on type in 4 months(85,5 average pm)
average net salary after tax in IE and spain:
3400euros.
Really without reason to complain.
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But lads its disgustingly simple do not apply. With today's modern communications this request will have been seen by thousands by this time tomorrow.
If FR stopped getting applications in the morning you can be sure they would start panicking!! They need pilots, pilots don't need them
You must stop looking at the job like its a product you buy.
The many pilots who passed their interviews and assessments before you but were penniless, and had the job taken off them by you coming up from behind with cash, have many reasons to complain.
If FR stopped getting applications in the morning you can be sure they would start panicking!! They need pilots, pilots don't need them
You must stop looking at the job like its a product you buy.
Really without reason to complain.
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You surely won't change your mind but don't judge people because they went for RYR as you don't know what circumstances they might be in.
Just stand by and watch everyone move forward, I'm personally tired of it!
Just stand by and watch everyone move forward, I'm personally tired of it!
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TT, will you for once try to be objective?
Stop making assumptions and think you know the BEST!
You DO NOT know what are circumstances when people decide to join RYR or any other airline so stop judging them!
I think you need to open up your horizons just a bit and realize we do not live in some fairyland, otherwise as you progress in your carrier (aviation hopefully) you will become more bitter and disappointed.
Stop being a crying baby and try to get the best out of the situation and circumstances YOU are in. The choice is yours!
As I have said before you will not change the world or aviation industry with you moral stance but just move backwards yourself if you not willing to be selfish and do something for your future.
I do not know you personally and you might be a great lad in real life, but I would hate to work/fly with a person that moans as much as you do!
Have a good evening
Stop making assumptions and think you know the BEST!
You DO NOT know what are circumstances when people decide to join RYR or any other airline so stop judging them!
I think you need to open up your horizons just a bit and realize we do not live in some fairyland, otherwise as you progress in your carrier (aviation hopefully) you will become more bitter and disappointed.
Stop being a crying baby and try to get the best out of the situation and circumstances YOU are in. The choice is yours!
As I have said before you will not change the world or aviation industry with you moral stance but just move backwards yourself if you not willing to be selfish and do something for your future.
I do not know you personally and you might be a great lad in real life, but I would hate to work/fly with a person that moans as much as you do!
Have a good evening
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@ TeaTowel - sorry you were rejected by Ryan, no need for the sour grapes though.
Reality is this is one of the few ways for people to achieve their dreams, things aren't going to change, ever, so all this nonsense about don't do this scheme don't do that scheme because you're damaging t's and c's, is exactly that - nonsense.
For anything to change every pilot would need to be onboard - that's not going to happen.
T's and c's are also getting worse in almost every industry might I remind you, not just aviation.
If you don't want to do it then so be it, but don't scorn those who are taking one of the few remaining viable routes into the industry.
Reality is this is one of the few ways for people to achieve their dreams, things aren't going to change, ever, so all this nonsense about don't do this scheme don't do that scheme because you're damaging t's and c's, is exactly that - nonsense.
For anything to change every pilot would need to be onboard - that's not going to happen.
T's and c's are also getting worse in almost every industry might I remind you, not just aviation.
If you don't want to do it then so be it, but don't scorn those who are taking one of the few remaining viable routes into the industry.
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Rejected by Ryanair? No.
Have I met many guys(including instructors who have to grin and bare it while training these scabs) who pass but just don't have the money, watch others take there place. Yes.
IAG results cast doubt on Ryanair warnings - Telegraph The company is not exactly on its knees is it?
Guess you'l be telling all the lads trying to form a union there to just shut up and get on with it then.
Have a look in the mid-east forum, people are finally copping on that when Ryanair pilots start showing up in other airlines, things go downhill. So I hope to see a lot of ex-FR pilots barred from joining airlines by there respective unions.
Have I met many guys(including instructors who have to grin and bare it while training these scabs) who pass but just don't have the money, watch others take there place. Yes.
IAG results cast doubt on Ryanair warnings - Telegraph The company is not exactly on its knees is it?
things aren't going to change, ever, so all this nonsense about don't do this scheme don't do that scheme because you're damaging t's and c's, is exactly that - nonsense.
For anything to change every pilot would need to be onboard - that's not going to happen.
Have a look in the mid-east forum, people are finally copping on that when Ryanair pilots start showing up in other airlines, things go downhill. So I hope to see a lot of ex-FR pilots barred from joining airlines by there respective unions.
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Lets try to look at all this from another point of view.
One could say that those who factored for RYR or any other scheme in their overall training expenses were smart and the day dreamers with ideas that one of the major carriers would call them and pay for everything were stupid. (Because this is exactly how things are NOW)
You could easily make this assumption as RYR phenomenona is not something new in the industry.
Things have changed and you need to move on TT, otherwise you are not helping yourself.
ME is another story and continues degradation of working condition has nothing to do with joining of RYR pilots.
Bean counters and greed run the show over there and the fact that foreigners have no rights whatsoever so don't try to foolishy link one to another just because you have overheard something somewhere but have no personal experience.
ME has been always this way and employers there openly adopt policy of "if you don't like it here you can leave"
The word is changing so try to adapt TT, blame the richest few for all the changes but not an avarage Joe for trying to get somewhere and playing by the "rules"
One could say that those who factored for RYR or any other scheme in their overall training expenses were smart and the day dreamers with ideas that one of the major carriers would call them and pay for everything were stupid. (Because this is exactly how things are NOW)
You could easily make this assumption as RYR phenomenona is not something new in the industry.
Things have changed and you need to move on TT, otherwise you are not helping yourself.
ME is another story and continues degradation of working condition has nothing to do with joining of RYR pilots.
Bean counters and greed run the show over there and the fact that foreigners have no rights whatsoever so don't try to foolishy link one to another just because you have overheard something somewhere but have no personal experience.
ME has been always this way and employers there openly adopt policy of "if you don't like it here you can leave"
The word is changing so try to adapt TT, blame the richest few for all the changes but not an avarage Joe for trying to get somewhere and playing by the "rules"
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Ryanair assessment personal reference?
Hello im new here at PPRuNe!
Have billions of questions about the ryanair assessment but cant get all of them answered ofcourse but there is one i have real problems with.
Just got call from CAE to attend the assessment in 28 november and I need 2 written personal references.
What should I take? Friends or friends to family? I have 1 I know that is a friend to the family that has known me the whole life but how much should they know you? The other one im thinking of has only seen me a few times and met me the first time 5 years ago.
Its also difficult for them because they dont know what to write because it says full written reference.
Im afraid that if I take one that doesn't know me that much that cant say were i went to preschool isn't good enough as a reference???
Hope someone understands my dilemma and can provide an answer!!
Have billions of questions about the ryanair assessment but cant get all of them answered ofcourse but there is one i have real problems with.
Just got call from CAE to attend the assessment in 28 november and I need 2 written personal references.
What should I take? Friends or friends to family? I have 1 I know that is a friend to the family that has known me the whole life but how much should they know you? The other one im thinking of has only seen me a few times and met me the first time 5 years ago.
Its also difficult for them because they dont know what to write because it says full written reference.
Im afraid that if I take one that doesn't know me that much that cant say were i went to preschool isn't good enough as a reference???
Hope someone understands my dilemma and can provide an answer!!
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One of the most shocking things is that the price hasn't gone up there seems to be such demand for it.
AT3 I assume like everyone else and all the people applying now you joined FR to some day move onto a better airline. But where are you going to go? All airlines have started to reduce Ts&Cs down to FR levels because you accepted them.
Its 30-40 years away(if ever) until we have pilot-less airliners, the airlines still need us, stop acting like we need them
AT3 I assume like everyone else and all the people applying now you joined FR to some day move onto a better airline. But where are you going to go? All airlines have started to reduce Ts&Cs down to FR levels because you accepted them.
Its 30-40 years away(if ever) until we have pilot-less airliners, the airlines still need us, stop acting like we need them
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All I can say TeaTowel is enjoy remaining outside the cockpit whilst you wait on the off chance that conditions improve to your liking.
If you don't take the opportunities there are plenty of other candidates who will and your feet will remain firmly on the ground.
This is the way aviation is nowadays, its a case of either accepting the conditions the industry is offering or consider another career.
If you don't take the opportunities there are plenty of other candidates who will and your feet will remain firmly on the ground.
This is the way aviation is nowadays, its a case of either accepting the conditions the industry is offering or consider another career.
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Ah it always comes back to the "Ya well I have cash and you don't so I get the job"
Do you say that to your girlfriend?, your friends?, your family? Because you are saying it to them.
You'l be joining me on the ground in a few years anyway, FR will push you out to make room for new pay drivers and the pilots and unions in other airlines will rightly block your application.
Do you say that to your girlfriend?, your friends?, your family? Because you are saying it to them.
You'l be joining me on the ground in a few years anyway, FR will push you out to make room for new pay drivers and the pilots and unions in other airlines will rightly block your application.