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Eagerbeaver,
Having a 737 t/r usually makes your application stand out a little from the crowd and may increase your chances of an assessment day at eJ. However, they are unlikely to accept you without putting you through a full type rating course again or at least a comprehensive refresher course. Expect to have to sign a bond for the training. The standards within eJ are very high, and the company will not accept a bought t/r as proof of competence.
For the other wannabes here, take not of Snigs posts as he seems to have a fairly good idea of how things work at eJ.
The TRSS scheme has been designed to offer opportunities to low hour pilots whilst increasing the training that they will undertake and protecting the companies investment in these relatively high training risk candidates. At the same time we continue to employ a significant number of more experienced pilots from the regional airlines, the military and some of the majors. I think that the scheme itself is a good one but I am slightly concerned at the way that it is developing. The more applications that we get from pilots with >1500hrs willing to accept the TRSS offer the more the company becomes keen to recruit from this scheme at the expense of those through the Direct Entry process.
Regarding the roadshows, I do sometimes wonder why we feel the need to expend the effort when so many are already knocking on the door. However, it does help to keep you guys informed, and chatting to eJ pilots and recruitment staff over tea and cookies pressumably is better for you than recieving faceless emails or indeed hearing nothing at all.
Regarding maximum hours SEP as per earlier post. I came from a self improver/instructing background, and I don't regret doing it for one moment. However, I do regret that I fell into a bit of a rut waiting for things to improve. I spent a total of 6 years instructing with over 2000 hours in the log book. If you are in a similar position you are unlikely to stand out from the crowd unless you have some more relevant experience. I would advise that you make all effort to get some multi crew commercial experience on a turbo-prop or better still a small / medium jet. If that proves impossible then commercial IFR flying of some sort within GA would also improve your chances slightly.
I know that is easy for me to say, and job offers are not just turning up on your doorstep. I hated it when a Britannia pilot told me the same thing 10 years ago as I forlornly looked out of the flying club window seeing nothing bigger than a 172! The truth is though that he was right and I should have been far more proactive in my job search.
Best of luck to all of you out there, and I hope that your lucky break comes soon.
Having a 737 t/r usually makes your application stand out a little from the crowd and may increase your chances of an assessment day at eJ. However, they are unlikely to accept you without putting you through a full type rating course again or at least a comprehensive refresher course. Expect to have to sign a bond for the training. The standards within eJ are very high, and the company will not accept a bought t/r as proof of competence.
For the other wannabes here, take not of Snigs posts as he seems to have a fairly good idea of how things work at eJ.
The TRSS scheme has been designed to offer opportunities to low hour pilots whilst increasing the training that they will undertake and protecting the companies investment in these relatively high training risk candidates. At the same time we continue to employ a significant number of more experienced pilots from the regional airlines, the military and some of the majors. I think that the scheme itself is a good one but I am slightly concerned at the way that it is developing. The more applications that we get from pilots with >1500hrs willing to accept the TRSS offer the more the company becomes keen to recruit from this scheme at the expense of those through the Direct Entry process.
Regarding the roadshows, I do sometimes wonder why we feel the need to expend the effort when so many are already knocking on the door. However, it does help to keep you guys informed, and chatting to eJ pilots and recruitment staff over tea and cookies pressumably is better for you than recieving faceless emails or indeed hearing nothing at all.
Regarding maximum hours SEP as per earlier post. I came from a self improver/instructing background, and I don't regret doing it for one moment. However, I do regret that I fell into a bit of a rut waiting for things to improve. I spent a total of 6 years instructing with over 2000 hours in the log book. If you are in a similar position you are unlikely to stand out from the crowd unless you have some more relevant experience. I would advise that you make all effort to get some multi crew commercial experience on a turbo-prop or better still a small / medium jet. If that proves impossible then commercial IFR flying of some sort within GA would also improve your chances slightly.
I know that is easy for me to say, and job offers are not just turning up on your doorstep. I hated it when a Britannia pilot told me the same thing 10 years ago as I forlornly looked out of the flying club window seeing nothing bigger than a 172! The truth is though that he was right and I should have been far more proactive in my job search.
Best of luck to all of you out there, and I hope that your lucky break comes soon.
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I donīt understand eJ.
Captain Cautious, thanks for your words to encourage us in this moments.
I donīt understand eJ at all. We apply on the web, we go to the roadshow and is no answer from eJ. You say that you have 12.000 CV on line. How do you do to read these CV? How many people you need to classify these CV?
I have all the experience you are asking for and I still remain without an answer from eJ. I wonder why we are not contacted. Britannia, Air France, Emirates, Brit Air, denim Air, Shell Air, Varig, etc... All the "serious" companys in the world says:
".....we have selected a number of other candidates..."
".... we do not have any vacancies at present ....."
".....company policy that the expatriate pilots .... 8000 TT and at least 2000 PIC hours....."
Why eJ donīt do the same. It is possible that eJ donīt read my CV, even if I went to the Roadshow?
Well, good wishes to all the people! Remain waiting for the rest.....
I donīt understand eJ at all. We apply on the web, we go to the roadshow and is no answer from eJ. You say that you have 12.000 CV on line. How do you do to read these CV? How many people you need to classify these CV?
I have all the experience you are asking for and I still remain without an answer from eJ. I wonder why we are not contacted. Britannia, Air France, Emirates, Brit Air, denim Air, Shell Air, Varig, etc... All the "serious" companys in the world says:
".....we have selected a number of other candidates..."
".... we do not have any vacancies at present ....."
".....company policy that the expatriate pilots .... 8000 TT and at least 2000 PIC hours....."
Why eJ donīt do the same. It is possible that eJ donīt read my CV, even if I went to the Roadshow?
Well, good wishes to all the people! Remain waiting for the rest.....
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12000 CVs!
Well, to be honest 12000 applications on file, or there abouts. This figure is somewhat misleading. I believe that is the total number of applications that have been stored on the database to date. If you subtract duplicate records and many others that don't come anywhere near to eJ's minimum requirements, I guess you will find a much smaller number.
I do not run this process, but I do have some knowledge of how it works. The fact is that we seem to be able to access a steady stream of pilots with a reasonable level of experience, although we do make an effort to recruit a variation of experience levels in order to keep a reasonable spread within the company. That is why we have always taken a few very low hour pilots through the CTC ATP scheme for example.
For those of you that have had no reply from eJ. I understand how frustrating that can be, but the truth is often that there are other people on file that have more experience/qualifications, or at least more relevant experience. It is our policy only to contact those that we decide to call forward for assessment.
The files are reviewed from time to time, so if you really do have what we are looking for then your application should be found. If you have not updated your application for a while then it is probably worth doing- as long as something significant has changed, like licence change, new t/r, or a significant increase in hours (500 more for example). Such changes might just make the difference to how favourably we look upon your application. But you must tell us of these changes.
Please please please, don't let this be taken as an invitation for hundreds of revised applications with only minor changes, or no change at all. That will not help your cause, it will only serve to irritate the staff that have to review applications recieved from the web server each day.
I do not run this process, but I do have some knowledge of how it works. The fact is that we seem to be able to access a steady stream of pilots with a reasonable level of experience, although we do make an effort to recruit a variation of experience levels in order to keep a reasonable spread within the company. That is why we have always taken a few very low hour pilots through the CTC ATP scheme for example.
For those of you that have had no reply from eJ. I understand how frustrating that can be, but the truth is often that there are other people on file that have more experience/qualifications, or at least more relevant experience. It is our policy only to contact those that we decide to call forward for assessment.
The files are reviewed from time to time, so if you really do have what we are looking for then your application should be found. If you have not updated your application for a while then it is probably worth doing- as long as something significant has changed, like licence change, new t/r, or a significant increase in hours (500 more for example). Such changes might just make the difference to how favourably we look upon your application. But you must tell us of these changes.
Please please please, don't let this be taken as an invitation for hundreds of revised applications with only minor changes, or no change at all. That will not help your cause, it will only serve to irritate the staff that have to review applications recieved from the web server each day.
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The questions are ...
... will they ask someone for interview whom they have not registered at a road show?
... will they black list anyone who has sent them an email or in any other way annoyed them?
... will they black list anyone who has sent them an email or in any other way annoyed them?
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The Drop,
In answer to your questions:
1. Yes. Many people are called for assessment workshops even if they have never been anywhere near the roadshows. Although some might argue that you could increase your chances by showing yourself in the flesh.
2. Yes. Quite probable that you might end up black listed if you became an annoying nuissance. But then isn't that the case with any prospective employer?
CC
In answer to your questions:
1. Yes. Many people are called for assessment workshops even if they have never been anywhere near the roadshows. Although some might argue that you could increase your chances by showing yourself in the flesh.
2. Yes. Quite probable that you might end up black listed if you became an annoying nuissance. But then isn't that the case with any prospective employer?
CC
I very much doubt whether a blacklist exists. From a legal HR perspective such a list would be a ticking time bomb for litigation. You'd have to screen the list regularly for gender, race and religious discrimination. You'd have to keep extensive notes on a peer review basis on why a person was on such a list. You would have to periodically review whether a name could be taken off the list.
Even following all best practice it would still be a highly unusual HR practice to establish an employment blacklist and its very existence would give the HR department sleepless nights.
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Even following all best practice it would still be a highly unusual HR practice to establish an employment blacklist and its very existence would give the HR department sleepless nights.
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The only blacklist would be someone's memory - 'ah yes, he's the person that did...'
However I expect that despite the warnign not to, Easyjet HR receive hundreds of speculative e-mails - so I reckon that most of them are deleted without a second thought - it would take someone with a pretty spectacular memory to remember all of them.
However I expect that despite the warnign not to, Easyjet HR receive hundreds of speculative e-mails - so I reckon that most of them are deleted without a second thought - it would take someone with a pretty spectacular memory to remember all of them.
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Easyjet TRSS 500-1500hrs??
Hi everyone,
I have been meaning to ask this question for a while.
The easyjet TRSS for Fzn ATPL pilots, the hours required are 500-1500. Does this mean it could be 500 hours on C152 single engine piston aircraft or is there more to it than that? Maybe at least 500hrs multi, it just sounds to good to be true 500hrs!!!
Also, there must be thousands of applicants on their database from around Europe if that's the case.
If anyone could confirm this or explain it then I would be grateful.
Cheers for now..
I have been meaning to ask this question for a while.
The easyjet TRSS for Fzn ATPL pilots, the hours required are 500-1500. Does this mean it could be 500 hours on C152 single engine piston aircraft or is there more to it than that? Maybe at least 500hrs multi, it just sounds to good to be true 500hrs!!!
Also, there must be thousands of applicants on their database from around Europe if that's the case.
If anyone could confirm this or explain it then I would be grateful.
Cheers for now..
P1,
I could be mistaken as pilot recruitement is something of a black art, and the easyJet one more so than all airlines put together. My understanding is that the TRSS scheme is for either ex military or for people who have commercial experience, and by that I mean multi crew time, but do not have a 737 or A320 rating.
I wish I was wrong, but that's my reading of it.
Do it nicely.
Splat
I could be mistaken as pilot recruitement is something of a black art, and the easyJet one more so than all airlines put together. My understanding is that the TRSS scheme is for either ex military or for people who have commercial experience, and by that I mean multi crew time, but do not have a 737 or A320 rating.
I wish I was wrong, but that's my reading of it.
Do it nicely.
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I know of guys with hundreds of Jet hours who were filed in the TRSS bracket. Guys with 3000+ hrs and Commands on Dash 8's etc also offered the same yet some guys with identical experience go straight in as DEP. I think it depends on what way the wind blows through the recruitment office!
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At the minute it seems the guys and gals coming through the TRSS all have at least turboprop experience ie several hundred hours plus. However as the need for pilots continues at the rate of 300 a year for the forseeable future i am sure the experience levels of those getting interviews will drop. At the minute the only way in for non turboprop guys is via the various CTC cadet/ATP schemes.
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Quite right gents. The TRSS scheme appears mainly for quite experienced tprop people and for those coming from light jets.
There is always the argument about who is eligible for the scheme under the set criteria - but that it is all it is, criteria. There is such a wealth of experienced tprop and lighter jet guys/girls wanting into the company that eJ can pick and choose even from them.
There is always the argument about who is eligible for the scheme under the set criteria - but that it is all it is, criteria. There is such a wealth of experienced tprop and lighter jet guys/girls wanting into the company that eJ can pick and choose even from them.
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Yup I'll go along with all of that. Squeezy have a wierd way of 'factoring' your hours...
so they ask for 500 total hours, and I presume they are factored at this rate...
easyJet 1
Airline/Shorthaul/Jet 0.9 0.8
Airline/Longhaul/Jet 0.7 0.6
Turbine/Multicrew/airline 0.8 0.7
Single Pilot/Airline 0.7
Multi engine/non airline 0.7 0.6
Fast Jet/military 0.8
Single Engine/non airline 0.3
Rotary/Multi crew 0.5 0.4
Rotary/Single pilot 0.1
So as in my case, after two and a half years of instructing ...it factors out to approx 2.4 nano seconds!
Good luck.
so they ask for 500 total hours, and I presume they are factored at this rate...
easyJet 1
Airline/Shorthaul/Jet 0.9 0.8
Airline/Longhaul/Jet 0.7 0.6
Turbine/Multicrew/airline 0.8 0.7
Single Pilot/Airline 0.7
Multi engine/non airline 0.7 0.6
Fast Jet/military 0.8
Single Engine/non airline 0.3
Rotary/Multi crew 0.5 0.4
Rotary/Single pilot 0.1
So as in my case, after two and a half years of instructing ...it factors out to approx 2.4 nano seconds!
Good luck.
I would also add that although that is the current situation, as always it's a supply versus demand issue, and like everyone else, if they cannot get people with todays criteria they change it. I know from going to the road shows for example that they are dead against people doing their own self sponsored type ratings, but in the past, they have taken guys on who have done it. My feeling is if they get desperate, they might do so again in the future.
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guys,
sorry to contradict you but the requirements for the TRSS scheme are not factorized. The Table here above (A380) is ONLY for Direct Entry Captains.
The requirements for TRSS are :
"What qualifications do I need?
- You must hold a JAA or UK frozen/unfrozen ATPL and MCC and have a minimum total experience of 500 hours."
Again, these are the MINIMUMS. Now, I think that the average TRSS pilot has well above these minumums ...
sorry to contradict you but the requirements for the TRSS scheme are not factorized. The Table here above (A380) is ONLY for Direct Entry Captains.
The requirements for TRSS are :
"What qualifications do I need?
- You must hold a JAA or UK frozen/unfrozen ATPL and MCC and have a minimum total experience of 500 hours."
Again, these are the MINIMUMS. Now, I think that the average TRSS pilot has well above these minumums ...
dorosenco,
I agree, that is what the web site says, but in practice the TRSS is only currently available for ex mil guys (or gals) and those with commercial experience but not an 737 or A320 type rating. That at least, is my understanding, and I'd be personaly delighted to be proved wrong!
Splat
I agree, that is what the web site says, but in practice the TRSS is only currently available for ex mil guys (or gals) and those with commercial experience but not an 737 or A320 type rating. That at least, is my understanding, and I'd be personaly delighted to be proved wrong!
Splat
At one of the roadshows a former collegue asked about his chances of gaining employment with Easy through the TRSS as an instructor with 2000 hours and was told that Easy don't like to recruit instructors as they are a "training risk".
Whilst the factorisation is not applied to the hours of those eligible for the TRSS, it was used to factorise hours of candidates prior to the introduction of the scheme so Dreaming A380 isn't wrong when he said he only has 2.4 nanoseconds in Easy's eyes (in fact he never said factorisation applies to the TRSS).
One day when all these experienced TP, non 737/A320 and ex-military chaps realise that they are worth more than being told to cough up the money for the privilige of working themselves silly, I expect Easy will open the scheme to the next level of those desperate for employment.
Whilst the factorisation is not applied to the hours of those eligible for the TRSS, it was used to factorise hours of candidates prior to the introduction of the scheme so Dreaming A380 isn't wrong when he said he only has 2.4 nanoseconds in Easy's eyes (in fact he never said factorisation applies to the TRSS).
One day when all these experienced TP, non 737/A320 and ex-military chaps realise that they are worth more than being told to cough up the money for the privilige of working themselves silly, I expect Easy will open the scheme to the next level of those desperate for employment.