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Phase 2
I'm off for my phase 2 this friday (7th). Going to be travelling down tomorrow evening from Loughborough. Drop me a pm if you wanna meet up/share travelling. Good luck guys n gals,
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CTC Phase 3
Hello Guys,
I'm in for the AQC programme at CTC.
Just be yourself and try to enjoy it. (is what I did) Very friendly people for the intervieuws. Even if it doesn't work out you can still learn a lot about yourself.
Good luck to everyone,
Just be yourself and try to enjoy it. (is what I did) Very friendly people for the intervieuws. Even if it doesn't work out you can still learn a lot about yourself.
Good luck to everyone,
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Hi guys, I've just been disqualified in phase try, last 5 July. I think that was due to motivation reasons. Anyway the phase 3 moves in a very comfortable atmosphere, they make yourself at home. Really be yourself, as I did, and the interview will lead you to discover quite a lot about yourself, and that will be good even if it reveals something you don't want to hear. My personal experience has been a great experience, I enjoyed every part of it, I met great people and professional assessors.
I will try to explain: apart from arline sponsored programmes (BA, Swiss, Lufthansa, CTC), I never tried to invest personal and economic resources in flying to obtain PPL and CPL privately. I never tried since it costs a hell lot of money, which my family didn't have. I could have worked and paid it little by little, but I didn't do it since there was (and at present is) quite no hope to become a professional pilot in Italy, and I thought it could have been a waste of money and of time. I other words, I never "risked" anything, to become a pilot. This was what the assessors have tried to point out in my interview, from the 3rd question on.
From the selection, from what all the guys in my group said, I understood quite a lot about me and my passion for flying. Which is a pure passion, becoming a civil pilot has only been my greatest dream, but not my "one and only" commitment in life...and maybe not the kind of job I'm "naturally made" for. So I think the assessors sought my person quite in depth, more than examining me they made me discover what has ever been my interest for flying. I'm now disappointed, but I would try to put it as the result was the best for me, for planning my life.
So now I'm landing...
Take care, I wish you all the best!
Filippo
I will try to explain: apart from arline sponsored programmes (BA, Swiss, Lufthansa, CTC), I never tried to invest personal and economic resources in flying to obtain PPL and CPL privately. I never tried since it costs a hell lot of money, which my family didn't have. I could have worked and paid it little by little, but I didn't do it since there was (and at present is) quite no hope to become a professional pilot in Italy, and I thought it could have been a waste of money and of time. I other words, I never "risked" anything, to become a pilot. This was what the assessors have tried to point out in my interview, from the 3rd question on.
From the selection, from what all the guys in my group said, I understood quite a lot about me and my passion for flying. Which is a pure passion, becoming a civil pilot has only been my greatest dream, but not my "one and only" commitment in life...and maybe not the kind of job I'm "naturally made" for. So I think the assessors sought my person quite in depth, more than examining me they made me discover what has ever been my interest for flying. I'm now disappointed, but I would try to put it as the result was the best for me, for planning my life.
So now I'm landing...
Take care, I wish you all the best!
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Filippo / Entropia. I am sorry to hear it didn't go well. However you make a very interesting point. I, too, come from Italy and spent 23 years in the beautiful country before moving to the UK. There is huge differences between the 2 countries and it does reflects in the job market and recruitment / selecion criteria.
I went to the stage 3 interviews with lots of work experience from my own background, business meetings all over Europe, project reviews, high pressure and tight deadlines to meet in my previous job in the car industry. I thought it would be a good example of how I acted successfully in team work environments. Didn't seem to impress them and I was told I should have maybe joined a sports team or something like that to improve my team skills. Now, I have been playing team sports since I was 12 and have often been the skipper of my teams. In my culture and upbringing though, work experiences are more important that your high school sports club.
I have also joined a ground handling company at a major UK airport and work as a dispatcher as a second job at the weekend to finance my flight training and CTC reckoned it's a good move to learn how to work in a team. Now, although correct in theory, this job is the most shambolic and disorganised environment I've ever witnessed. It's far from being a learning experience, although it's good fun and interesting to work at the airport. CTC reckon it's a good opportunity for me to learn team work, after I spent years around Europe dealing with the most demanding customers in the car industry.
So you see, there's always 2 (if not 3) sides to every story. CTC, like every other corporate recruiter, follow an interview checklist and it's a case of tick box and pass or not in the end. It surely works but doesn't necessarily mean that whoever doesn't make it is not right for the job.
Sometimes is more of a case of giving the right answer to the interviewer than actually being the right person. Like everything, passing interviews is a skill too, and my school system and upbringing didn't train me to that.
It can be harder to face this kind of interview if it's not in your native language. Things you'd like to say get lost in translation or maybe you don't get the exact meaning of what you are asked. Still worth a try and a great learning experience anyway.
I went to stage 3 with zero hours and now only few months later I'm near to the completion of my PPL so I guess it was a good outcome for a bad result ! And I have met a few guys knocked back at stage 3 like me, same answer, invited NOT to reapply, and a couple of them are near to finishing their ATPL.. so there's life after CTC interviews !
best of luck to everybody
I will try to explain: apart from arline sponsored programmes (BA, Swiss, Lufthansa, CTC), I never tried to invest personal and economic resources in flying to obtain PPL and CPL privately. I never tried since it costs a hell lot of money, which my family didn't have. I could have worked and paid it little by little, but I didn't do it since there was (and at present is) quite no hope to become a professional pilot in Italy, and I thought it could have been a waste of money and of time. I other words, I never "risked" anything, to become a pilot. This was what the assessors have tried to point out in my interview, from the 3rd question on.
From the selection, from what all the guys in my group said, I understood quite a lot about me and my passion for flying. Which is a pure passion, becoming a civil pilot has only been my greatest dream, but not my "one and only" commitment in life...and maybe not the kind of job I'm "naturally made" for. So I think the assessors sought my person quite in depth, more than examining me they made me discover what has ever been my interest for flying. I'm now disappointed, but I would try to put it as the result was the best for me, for planning my life.
So now I'm landing...
Take care, I wish you all the best!
Filippo
I went to the stage 3 interviews with lots of work experience from my own background, business meetings all over Europe, project reviews, high pressure and tight deadlines to meet in my previous job in the car industry. I thought it would be a good example of how I acted successfully in team work environments. Didn't seem to impress them and I was told I should have maybe joined a sports team or something like that to improve my team skills. Now, I have been playing team sports since I was 12 and have often been the skipper of my teams. In my culture and upbringing though, work experiences are more important that your high school sports club.
I have also joined a ground handling company at a major UK airport and work as a dispatcher as a second job at the weekend to finance my flight training and CTC reckoned it's a good move to learn how to work in a team. Now, although correct in theory, this job is the most shambolic and disorganised environment I've ever witnessed. It's far from being a learning experience, although it's good fun and interesting to work at the airport. CTC reckon it's a good opportunity for me to learn team work, after I spent years around Europe dealing with the most demanding customers in the car industry.
So you see, there's always 2 (if not 3) sides to every story. CTC, like every other corporate recruiter, follow an interview checklist and it's a case of tick box and pass or not in the end. It surely works but doesn't necessarily mean that whoever doesn't make it is not right for the job.
Sometimes is more of a case of giving the right answer to the interviewer than actually being the right person. Like everything, passing interviews is a skill too, and my school system and upbringing didn't train me to that.
It can be harder to face this kind of interview if it's not in your native language. Things you'd like to say get lost in translation or maybe you don't get the exact meaning of what you are asked. Still worth a try and a great learning experience anyway.
I went to stage 3 with zero hours and now only few months later I'm near to the completion of my PPL so I guess it was a good outcome for a bad result ! And I have met a few guys knocked back at stage 3 like me, same answer, invited NOT to reapply, and a couple of them are near to finishing their ATPL.. so there's life after CTC interviews !
best of luck to everybody
Originally Posted by Entropia
I will try to explain: apart from arline sponsored programmes (BA, Swiss, Lufthansa, CTC), I never tried to invest personal and economic resources in flying to obtain PPL and CPL privately. I never tried since it costs a hell lot of money, which my family didn't have. I could have worked and paid it little by little, but I didn't do it since there was (and at present is) quite no hope to become a professional pilot in Italy, and I thought it could have been a waste of money and of time. I other words, I never "risked" anything, to become a pilot. This was what the assessors have tried to point out in my interview, from the 3rd question on.
From the selection, from what all the guys in my group said, I understood quite a lot about me and my passion for flying. Which is a pure passion, becoming a civil pilot has only been my greatest dream, but not my "one and only" commitment in life...and maybe not the kind of job I'm "naturally made" for. So I think the assessors sought my person quite in depth, more than examining me they made me discover what has ever been my interest for flying. I'm now disappointed, but I would try to put it as the result was the best for me, for planning my life.
So now I'm landing...
Take care, I wish you all the best!
Filippo
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Stage 2 - July 21st
Hi Pazu, ...
I've just booked for the 21st as well. Not sure where I'm staying yet, ... two nights somewhere, though, as I'm flying in from Prestwick.
Anyway, hopefully see you down south,
All the best,
sconno
I've just booked for the 21st as well. Not sure where I'm staying yet, ... two nights somewhere, though, as I'm flying in from Prestwick.
Anyway, hopefully see you down south,
All the best,
sconno
Originally Posted by Pazu888
Hi everyone
I have booked my Stage 2 for 21 July, I'm really excited... anyone else on here going on this day?
Big thanks to everyone who has posted on here, I've read the whole thing and it was really helpful to know (roughly) what to expect.
Well done everyone who has passed and is in NZ / flying jets!
I have booked my Stage 2 for 21 July, I'm really excited... anyone else on here going on this day?
Big thanks to everyone who has posted on here, I've read the whole thing and it was really helpful to know (roughly) what to expect.
Well done everyone who has passed and is in NZ / flying jets!
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Raviolis - I'm working at my local airport aswell, and you can see why people think it brings out the teamwork side of things. However i must agree, that most of the time, you don't witness the different areas working together, you just witness a lot of slagging off.
The handling agents get in our way, we get in their way, the cabin crews moan at us, we moan at them, the dispatcher moans at both of us, we both moan back at the dispatcher (not me personally - i'm not the moaning type) but it's probably all caused by the fact that thee are so many different companies trying to be in the same place at the same time with different rules and similar priorities...but that's a different story.
Like you say, in theory, it should involve lots of teamwork, and develop communication skills. In reality, the main thing you develop is a familiarity with the way things run in and around the airport, which isn't a bad thing really.
The handling agents get in our way, we get in their way, the cabin crews moan at us, we moan at them, the dispatcher moans at both of us, we both moan back at the dispatcher (not me personally - i'm not the moaning type) but it's probably all caused by the fact that thee are so many different companies trying to be in the same place at the same time with different rules and similar priorities...but that's a different story.
Like you say, in theory, it should involve lots of teamwork, and develop communication skills. In reality, the main thing you develop is a familiarity with the way things run in and around the airport, which isn't a bad thing really.
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Originally Posted by raviolis
I thought it would be a good example of how I acted successfully in team work environments. Didn't seem to impress them and I was told I should have maybe joined a sports team or something like that to improve my team skills. Now, I have been playing team sports since I was 12 and have often been the skipper of my teams. In my culture and upbringing though, work experiences are more important that your high school sports club.
Is that what CTC are after for pilots! Surely it should be more extensive teamworking experience
Teamwork within for example a football game (or other hobby) is different from teamwork within the workplace. With a hobby people usually enjoy being there and taking part i.e. they do it for fun, which makes team work easier. In the workplace you encounter people that don’t want to be team players, people that come just for the money, people who don’t care, and people who have negative attitudes. To be a team player you need to adapt to these people and from a Leadership prospective you need to adapt your leadership style to suit the individual / situation. Working on an airliner and within the airport is not going to be like a football game, or is it?
Surely the pilot with team working experience from within the workplace would be better suited than someone who can play football.
Now wear did I put them boots!
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Reading through the posts it might be important to stress that there is a fundamental difference between giving examples of working in a team and demonstrating that you are good at working within a team. You need to be able to demonstrate your team working skills. It is one of the reasons why CTC tests team work skills seperately.
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Originally Posted by Entropia
Which is a pure passion, becoming a civil pilot has only been my greatest dream, but not my "one and only" commitment in life...and maybe not the kind of job I'm "naturally made" for. So I think the assessors sought my person quite in depth, more than examining me they made me discover what has ever been my interest for flying.
I believe strongly that it is very healthy for a wide variety of people of different backgrounds to bring their experiences into aviation, or it risks becoming a clique in which those without a fixation on the industry are ranked second to those who have, closing off the industry from further debate and development.
On the other hand, demonstration of a strong motivation towards a career in aviation through - for example - PPL training is crucial to ensuring that people know exactly what they are getting into in aviation.
Read this however in the context that I do not know CTC's procedure personally and this is in response to comments, but I hope it is a basis for debate.
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pilaptest
Hi,
I read a post in which it is said there are some pilaptest on the web.
Please may you give the website address ?
I go to phase 2 of CTC on August 11, 2006.
Thanks a lot in advance
Gabriel
I read a post in which it is said there are some pilaptest on the web.
Please may you give the website address ?
I go to phase 2 of CTC on August 11, 2006.
Thanks a lot in advance
Gabriel
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Originally Posted by Lucifer
On the other hand, demonstration of a strong motivation towards a career in aviation through - for example - PPL training is crucial to ensuring that people know exactly what they are getting into in aviation.
Read this however in the context that I do not know CTC's procedure personally and this is in response to comments, but I hope it is a basis for debate.
Read this however in the context that I do not know CTC's procedure personally and this is in response to comments, but I hope it is a basis for debate.
It seems strange therefore that CTC do not list a PPL, or even a certain no. of hours as a requirement to apply for this course?
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Originally Posted by gabriel m3
Hi,
I read a post in which it is said there are some pilaptest on the web.
Please may you give the website address ?
I go to phase 2 of CTC on August 11, 2006.
Thanks a lot in advance
Gabriel
I read a post in which it is said there are some pilaptest on the web.
Please may you give the website address ?
I go to phase 2 of CTC on August 11, 2006.
Thanks a lot in advance
Gabriel
Just do a google search for PILAPT, you will find the company's website with screenshots of the tests. You can't actually practise them, but I think you can buy them.
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Phase 2 For Dummies
I went for Phase 2 Selection at Bournemouth in June 2006, just gonna pass on some words of wisdom:
Getting There
For those of you coming from Scotland, Ryanair run a flight 1355 - 1510 every Thursday and back on Saturday 1535 - 1655 from Glasgow Prestwick(PIK) to Bournemouth(BOH) and if you book 3 weeks in advance(amount of notice you get once booked onto selection) it will cost you £35.94 do not leave it too late as a week in advance this flight shoots up to £114.94. Unfortunately selection lasts just a wee bit too long for you to get back on the Friday. Do not forget your passport as first of all you'll need it for CTC and secondly it's Ryanair's policy to check passports of ALL it's passengers.
http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/
The airport has its own train station, and the 80 metre walk from the station to the check in desk is under a covered walkway. Trains run to Glasgow Prestwick from Glasgow every half an hour and the journey takes about 45 minutes. You can use the National Rail website to plan train times:
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/ Train enquries: 08457 484950
When booking your flight be sure to print off your confirmation email, because when you show this on the train you get half price off your ticket from any train station in Scotland to Prestwick.(You cannot get this discount if you buy your ticket online)
http://www.spt.co.uk/tickets/prestwickairport.html
United Taxis run a service from Bournemouth Airport; when you come out arrivals turn to the left and you'll find the taxi stand. If you do not want to be charged for taking money out at the airport take enough money for the taxi.(Roughly £15 to Carrington House Hotel ont he outskirts of town)
United Taxis: 01202 556677
Accommadation
I phoned Karen Croucher from CTC to organise accommadation as CTC get a discount for using a hotel for a lot of their candidates.
Karen Croucher: 023 8073 7567
She organised a room in the Carrington House Hotel situated on the Bournemouth East Cliff just outside the town centre. It is a 15 min walk to the beach in one direction and 15 min walk to a Walmart Asda/Bournemouth Train Station in the other.
Carrington House Hotel was £45 a night, breakfast included and a £15 taxi ride away from CTC Aviation. The rooms do have an iron for ironing shirts etc. and a hairdrier.
http://www.carringtonhousehotel.co.uk/
The hotel has a free phone to call taxis, (it might be an idea to order one the night before) leave with plenty time in the morning to account for traffic..it took me around 15-20 mins and i'd suggest trying to arrive there for 0930 onwards. Be warned, CTC Aviation is not within walking distance of Bournemouth Airport and not well known to taxi drivers, so i suggest printing off the directions from the CTC website to show the driver.
http://www.ctcaviation.com/wings/directions.htm
(More than one candidate got taken to Bournemouth airport making them late for selection!!)
Selection
There was around 20 candidates there for selection at the same time both Wings ATP candidates and Wings Cadets.
(You do get provided with lunch so there is no need to take any with you)
In the morning you get a very informative presentation, i would take a notebook to take notes as it provides a lot of useful information that you might forget and it could be useful for the interview.
There is then a short break before you get split into two groups; one group has lunch whilst the others start the numeracy test and the PILAPT tests.
Numeracy Test
15 Q's 15mins
Rumour is that the pass mark for the numeracy test is 12/15
The maths is of a medium level and is multiple choice...you are required to do calculations such as add, subtract, multiply and long/short division. The questions are in the form of currency conversion, fuel calculation, ascending&descending timing, square root and squaring maths and ratios.
I bought the Trachtenberg book that someone recommended in an earlier thread and yes it has a few useful ideas but I didn't ultimately find it THAT useful. However, I did find this book useful, Speed Mathematics; Secrets of Lightning Mental Calculation.ISBN: 0471467316
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0...lance&n=266239
It is well set out and clearly illustrates a number of techniques that you might find useful with examples and if you email him(there's an email address near the back of the book) he will send you more example questions. I would suggest you read this book well in advance though and do a LOT of practice the more you do the faster you will become.
PILAPT tests
The PILAPT tests last approximately 1hr 15mins and comprises of 7 tests; yes they are difficult but a goodnight's sleep will prepare you better than anything else. My only regret is that i didn't play more flight sims using a joystick, i found it quite alien to use a joystick. You can see screenshots of all the tests on the PILAPT website:
http://62.3.209.83/pilapt/Header.htm
SUMMARY
Stage 1 - Application Form (No Cost)
Stage 2 - Introduction to the wings scheme (Covers both ATP and CADET paths)
Maths Test (15 in 15 mins)
PILAPT tests (7 tests, they take approx 1h 15m).
Stage 2 costs £164.50 for BOTH ATP and CADETS. (the people that got away without paying were the ATP candidates that applied prior to the application process going online.)
Stage 3 - Group Exercises and Interview. (No Cost)
Stage 4 (ATP) AQC course ( Cost approx 7k I think)
Stage 4 (Cadet) Sim check. (No Cost)
NB:
Getting There
For those of you coming from Scotland, Ryanair run a flight 1355 - 1510 every Thursday and back on Saturday 1535 - 1655 from Glasgow Prestwick(PIK) to Bournemouth(BOH) and if you book 3 weeks in advance(amount of notice you get once booked onto selection) it will cost you £35.94 do not leave it too late as a week in advance this flight shoots up to £114.94. Unfortunately selection lasts just a wee bit too long for you to get back on the Friday. Do not forget your passport as first of all you'll need it for CTC and secondly it's Ryanair's policy to check passports of ALL it's passengers.
http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/
The airport has its own train station, and the 80 metre walk from the station to the check in desk is under a covered walkway. Trains run to Glasgow Prestwick from Glasgow every half an hour and the journey takes about 45 minutes. You can use the National Rail website to plan train times:
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/ Train enquries: 08457 484950
When booking your flight be sure to print off your confirmation email, because when you show this on the train you get half price off your ticket from any train station in Scotland to Prestwick.(You cannot get this discount if you buy your ticket online)
http://www.spt.co.uk/tickets/prestwickairport.html
United Taxis run a service from Bournemouth Airport; when you come out arrivals turn to the left and you'll find the taxi stand. If you do not want to be charged for taking money out at the airport take enough money for the taxi.(Roughly £15 to Carrington House Hotel ont he outskirts of town)
United Taxis: 01202 556677
Accommadation
I phoned Karen Croucher from CTC to organise accommadation as CTC get a discount for using a hotel for a lot of their candidates.
Karen Croucher: 023 8073 7567
She organised a room in the Carrington House Hotel situated on the Bournemouth East Cliff just outside the town centre. It is a 15 min walk to the beach in one direction and 15 min walk to a Walmart Asda/Bournemouth Train Station in the other.
Carrington House Hotel was £45 a night, breakfast included and a £15 taxi ride away from CTC Aviation. The rooms do have an iron for ironing shirts etc. and a hairdrier.
http://www.carringtonhousehotel.co.uk/
The hotel has a free phone to call taxis, (it might be an idea to order one the night before) leave with plenty time in the morning to account for traffic..it took me around 15-20 mins and i'd suggest trying to arrive there for 0930 onwards. Be warned, CTC Aviation is not within walking distance of Bournemouth Airport and not well known to taxi drivers, so i suggest printing off the directions from the CTC website to show the driver.
http://www.ctcaviation.com/wings/directions.htm
(More than one candidate got taken to Bournemouth airport making them late for selection!!)
Selection
There was around 20 candidates there for selection at the same time both Wings ATP candidates and Wings Cadets.
(You do get provided with lunch so there is no need to take any with you)
In the morning you get a very informative presentation, i would take a notebook to take notes as it provides a lot of useful information that you might forget and it could be useful for the interview.
There is then a short break before you get split into two groups; one group has lunch whilst the others start the numeracy test and the PILAPT tests.
Numeracy Test
15 Q's 15mins
Rumour is that the pass mark for the numeracy test is 12/15
The maths is of a medium level and is multiple choice...you are required to do calculations such as add, subtract, multiply and long/short division. The questions are in the form of currency conversion, fuel calculation, ascending&descending timing, square root and squaring maths and ratios.
I bought the Trachtenberg book that someone recommended in an earlier thread and yes it has a few useful ideas but I didn't ultimately find it THAT useful. However, I did find this book useful, Speed Mathematics; Secrets of Lightning Mental Calculation.ISBN: 0471467316
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0...lance&n=266239
It is well set out and clearly illustrates a number of techniques that you might find useful with examples and if you email him(there's an email address near the back of the book) he will send you more example questions. I would suggest you read this book well in advance though and do a LOT of practice the more you do the faster you will become.
PILAPT tests
The PILAPT tests last approximately 1hr 15mins and comprises of 7 tests; yes they are difficult but a goodnight's sleep will prepare you better than anything else. My only regret is that i didn't play more flight sims using a joystick, i found it quite alien to use a joystick. You can see screenshots of all the tests on the PILAPT website:
http://62.3.209.83/pilapt/Header.htm
SUMMARY
Stage 1 - Application Form (No Cost)
Stage 2 - Introduction to the wings scheme (Covers both ATP and CADET paths)
Maths Test (15 in 15 mins)
PILAPT tests (7 tests, they take approx 1h 15m).
Stage 2 costs £164.50 for BOTH ATP and CADETS. (the people that got away without paying were the ATP candidates that applied prior to the application process going online.)
Stage 3 - Group Exercises and Interview. (No Cost)
Stage 4 (ATP) AQC course ( Cost approx 7k I think)
Stage 4 (Cadet) Sim check. (No Cost)
NB:
- CTC DO read pprune forums so if anyone gives away the specifics of the questions they will simply change the questions.
- Remember your passport and your educational certificates!
- Be organised and plan for any setbacks beforehand with travel.
- CTC understand that you will want to know how you have done ASAP and send candidates an email to say whether or not they have made it the same day, if you don't make it they send you further feedback within 3 weeks.
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Phase 2 this Friday (14th July)
Ello chaps, just found this forum today... wish i had earlier as its pretty useful info about what to expect etc.
Just graduated from Dundee with honours in Psychology and have only been pursuing the pilot career for the past year, only had 1 hour flying but that was enough for me to apply to ctc.
Flying down from prestwick on thurs for phase 2 on fri, just wondering if anyone's in the same boat?
Hope to see ya there and good luck anyone with any phases coming up
Just graduated from Dundee with honours in Psychology and have only been pursuing the pilot career for the past year, only had 1 hour flying but that was enough for me to apply to ctc.
Flying down from prestwick on thurs for phase 2 on fri, just wondering if anyone's in the same boat?
Hope to see ya there and good luck anyone with any phases coming up