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Originally Posted by oli463
I think you either have aptitude or you don't... But it can't hurt to practice!
Originally Posted by from a website
Can Aptitude Be Improved?
Although studies seem to suggest that aptitude test scores cannot be improved, other research shows that that may not be the case. Tests such as the Scholastic Aptitude Tests contain many questions that are content-specific, particularly in math areas. Performance on these specific types of items is trainable.
Some experts feel that short-term cramming might not affect aptitude test scores. However, long-term instruction in broad cognitive skills might improve general test performance. Cognitive theory and research suggest that learning ability can be improved by training students in learning strategies. Improving academic aptitude may be possible through a systematic curriculum that complements direct training in learning strategies with both the development of general thinking approaches and the application of those approaches over a variety of different tasks and content areas.
What has been learned about training to improve aptitude can be summarized as follows:
Although studies seem to suggest that aptitude test scores cannot be improved, other research shows that that may not be the case. Tests such as the Scholastic Aptitude Tests contain many questions that are content-specific, particularly in math areas. Performance on these specific types of items is trainable.
Some experts feel that short-term cramming might not affect aptitude test scores. However, long-term instruction in broad cognitive skills might improve general test performance. Cognitive theory and research suggest that learning ability can be improved by training students in learning strategies. Improving academic aptitude may be possible through a systematic curriculum that complements direct training in learning strategies with both the development of general thinking approaches and the application of those approaches over a variety of different tasks and content areas.
What has been learned about training to improve aptitude can be summarized as follows:
- Attempts to train aptitude must go well beyond practice and feedback. What's needed is intensive training in strategies involved in task performance along with higher level monitoring and control strategies involved in guiding performance and in transferring skills to new areas.
- Educational efforts to improve aptitude need to be long-term.
- Abilities of students and methods of training interact. Attempts to train strategies must fit the tested aptitudes of students.
- Practice and feedback can be effective when students are already proficient in the ability to be trained.
- Intrusive training may be harmful to high aptitude students.
- Training ability works best when treatment utilizes some of the student's other strengths.
- Some aspects of intellectual aptitude may be more easily trained than others.
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stage 2 format!?
Hi all!
I know there is loads of info on here, but I get the feeling that CTC like to change and alter the format of there selection process!! Just wondering if anyone could give us an up to date account of what to expect at the Stage 2 selection?! Specifically what to expect on the Maths test, which Pilapt tests they are likely to use and what kind of problem solving to expect!!
Thanks for your help!!
Cheers.
I know there is loads of info on here, but I get the feeling that CTC like to change and alter the format of there selection process!! Just wondering if anyone could give us an up to date account of what to expect at the Stage 2 selection?! Specifically what to expect on the Maths test, which Pilapt tests they are likely to use and what kind of problem solving to expect!!
Thanks for your help!!
Cheers.
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hello, just would like to know what kind of questions does ctc aviation ask for they aptitude test, are they difficult, do you need to revise, what do they consist, got an exam next month, don t really know what s waiting for me.
Thanks.
Thanks.
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Hi tom,
just done stage 2 a week or so ago, i took alot of info off this thread that helped me alot so I feel i should give back....
you need to be able to do long division, multiplication, addition, and subtraction fairly fast (you can jot on the test paper to work these things out) The questions are not at all hard in any way, the hard thing is you only have fifteen minutes to answer fifteen questions, so the second you boj one up, you eat away at the time you have to do the rest. The questions are all along these lines:
your at 9000 feet, you want to get to 30000 feet, you gain hight at 1500 feet per minute, how long will it take? Not exactly that question but they are all like that (working out rates of change). One bit of advice i would give is that its multiple choice so you have 4 options - you dont always have to work out the answer - somtimes the options may vary by a factor of ten so you can estimate and get the right answer without the long-winded calculations.
After that you sit the pilapt test - you cant practice for this. its starts out fairly easy (althought the time you take to respond is taken into account). It increases in difficulty untill the last test which is multitasking to the point of overload. Only advice on this part i can give is get a good nights sleep, get a good breakfast in you in the morning, and chill out big time - the tests are quite god fun - just like a computer game. read the instructions carefully before you start each test and relax and enjoy playing it. Bottom line is there is absolutely nothing you can do to prepare for pilapt - your playing these games for 45 minutes so theres no faking it - you either get a good score or dont. Im sure your aware you can get practice tests off various websites - i bought one- wasnt that helpful. Bottom line is turn up alert after plenty of sleep and try you best.
hope that helps - dont want to tell you exactly what the tests are in great detail - seems a bit unfair on the rest, but even if i did it wouldnt help - the tests are explained to you in great length on the day before you attempt them.
Ive got my stage three next week - its all been a bit fast - faxed off stage one got a reply the same day asking me to come down nezt week. Whent down for stage two and had an e mail waiting for me when i got home asking me to come to stage three the next week! whats wrong with that you say.... i live 400 miles away!! Still, in another few weeks i might be in newzealand...
heres hoping... all the best mate.
just done stage 2 a week or so ago, i took alot of info off this thread that helped me alot so I feel i should give back....
you need to be able to do long division, multiplication, addition, and subtraction fairly fast (you can jot on the test paper to work these things out) The questions are not at all hard in any way, the hard thing is you only have fifteen minutes to answer fifteen questions, so the second you boj one up, you eat away at the time you have to do the rest. The questions are all along these lines:
your at 9000 feet, you want to get to 30000 feet, you gain hight at 1500 feet per minute, how long will it take? Not exactly that question but they are all like that (working out rates of change). One bit of advice i would give is that its multiple choice so you have 4 options - you dont always have to work out the answer - somtimes the options may vary by a factor of ten so you can estimate and get the right answer without the long-winded calculations.
After that you sit the pilapt test - you cant practice for this. its starts out fairly easy (althought the time you take to respond is taken into account). It increases in difficulty untill the last test which is multitasking to the point of overload. Only advice on this part i can give is get a good nights sleep, get a good breakfast in you in the morning, and chill out big time - the tests are quite god fun - just like a computer game. read the instructions carefully before you start each test and relax and enjoy playing it. Bottom line is there is absolutely nothing you can do to prepare for pilapt - your playing these games for 45 minutes so theres no faking it - you either get a good score or dont. Im sure your aware you can get practice tests off various websites - i bought one- wasnt that helpful. Bottom line is turn up alert after plenty of sleep and try you best.
hope that helps - dont want to tell you exactly what the tests are in great detail - seems a bit unfair on the rest, but even if i did it wouldnt help - the tests are explained to you in great length on the day before you attempt them.
Ive got my stage three next week - its all been a bit fast - faxed off stage one got a reply the same day asking me to come down nezt week. Whent down for stage two and had an e mail waiting for me when i got home asking me to come to stage three the next week! whats wrong with that you say.... i live 400 miles away!! Still, in another few weeks i might be in newzealand...
heres hoping... all the best mate.
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STAGE 3
Sorry -
spraphed so much at tom i forgot to write what i originally logged on here to write. Ive got stage 3 at dibden manor on the 31st of may - i have to fly into southampton airport at about nine or ten in the morning the day before hand - hire a car and go and find dibden manor then go to a b and b (not booked one yet). Anyone flying into southampton the day before the interview or flying out the evening of the interview and need to get to the airport after, or want to go to the same b and b (might be an idea to get to know each other before any group exercises) let me know if your interested in splitting hire car cost on any leg of the journey. - dibden appears to be in the middle of no-where and an hour round trip cab ride from the airport seems an excessively expensive way of doing it.
spraphed so much at tom i forgot to write what i originally logged on here to write. Ive got stage 3 at dibden manor on the 31st of may - i have to fly into southampton airport at about nine or ten in the morning the day before hand - hire a car and go and find dibden manor then go to a b and b (not booked one yet). Anyone flying into southampton the day before the interview or flying out the evening of the interview and need to get to the airport after, or want to go to the same b and b (might be an idea to get to know each other before any group exercises) let me know if your interested in splitting hire car cost on any leg of the journey. - dibden appears to be in the middle of no-where and an hour round trip cab ride from the airport seems an excessively expensive way of doing it.
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Hi dragonfly, I was looking for another pilots going to phase 3 the next 31st of May. Apparently we are the only 2 here on pprune.
I come from Italy and I will fly to gatwick. I will stay at this B&B : http://www.newforest.demon.co.uk/ashdene.htm
There is another, Dale Farm, which is nearer to CTC but it is already fully booked.
Let me know your plan.
Hi dragonfly, I was looking for another pilots going to phase 3 the next 31st of May. Apparently we are the only 2 here on pprune.
I come from Italy and I will fly to gatwick. I will stay at this B&B : http://www.newforest.demon.co.uk/ashdene.htm
There is another, Dale Farm, which is nearer to CTC but it is already fully booked.
Let me know your plan.
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hi - my plans are as follows
into southampton at 11.00 am
hire car to dibden
staying at four seasons b and b nearby somwhere - not sure where, it was the only one not booked up.
driving back to southmpton airport straight after interview.
into southampton at 11.00 am
hire car to dibden
staying at four seasons b and b nearby somwhere - not sure where, it was the only one not booked up.
driving back to southmpton airport straight after interview.
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Well, we're quite close. I will arrive at Ashedene Guest House, little bit to the north. We can meet on wedsneday morning or elsewhere if you want...
my email is [email protected] .
my email is [email protected] .
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Hello everybody I'm new on your forum, does anyone know if a french guy could succeed to the CTC selections? I've failed in the recent selections in france because of the psychomotors tests (you know wonderful game with two joysticks, calculation and lamps to switch off...) and I would like to know how are the tests of the selection
thank you for your answers!!!
thank you for your answers!!!
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Hello Tramb and everybody (of course!),
I'm french and I have been invited to pass phase 2 in june, but it won't be easy to prepare my trip with my current job tasks. I hope to go later in Bournemouth.
Tramb, I suppose you have failed ENAC these days, haven't you?
I'll be pleased to make knowledge if you are interested in pass this selection.
For everyone, I am looking to work my english (it's not easy when you leave in France and you don't use it) and so I will be happy to exchange with you. I think it's the best way to improve it and avoid mistakes.
Thanks a lot I hope I was not tedious.
See you soon.
I'm french and I have been invited to pass phase 2 in june, but it won't be easy to prepare my trip with my current job tasks. I hope to go later in Bournemouth.
Tramb, I suppose you have failed ENAC these days, haven't you?
I'll be pleased to make knowledge if you are interested in pass this selection.
For everyone, I am looking to work my english (it's not easy when you leave in France and you don't use it) and so I will be happy to exchange with you. I think it's the best way to improve it and avoid mistakes.
Thanks a lot I hope I was not tedious.
See you soon.
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CTC Wings cadets scheme
Hi,
I am only 15 and want some valuable info no getting on the scheme,
I cant wait till I am 18 and start writing filling out the application form,
Im practising already!
I am currently doing my PPL course at the Jersey Aero Club, and my instructor is the chief Instructor.
after that I will be doing the IMC and Night Rating. hopefully I would have brushed up on my maths and ready to apply
anyine out there curruntly on the course who can help me out?
I am only 15 and want some valuable info no getting on the scheme,
I cant wait till I am 18 and start writing filling out the application form,
Im practising already!
I am currently doing my PPL course at the Jersey Aero Club, and my instructor is the chief Instructor.
after that I will be doing the IMC and Night Rating. hopefully I would have brushed up on my maths and ready to apply
anyine out there curruntly on the course who can help me out?
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Phase 4, 1st June
Good evening. First of all I must thank everyone who has shared their experiences of the selection process with CTC. It has proved to be a valuable source of vital information. For those going through phase 2 or 3, read and digest but don't go too far back as things have changed over the last couple of years.
I'm just checking to see how the other three guys from the sim assessment got on today. Received a call this afternoon giving me the good news.
I'm just checking to see how the other three guys from the sim assessment got on today. Received a call this afternoon giving me the good news.
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Phase III
Hi. Just wondering how people who were at Dibden for the Phase III assessments got on yesterday (31st). I got through to the sim assessment for next Thursday
. So near...
. So near...
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St Helier,
Best advice I can give to you at the moment is to concentrate on your GCSE's and A-Levels. If you don't get good enough grades in these then you can forget about applying to CTC! After your A-Levels, Id seriously consider going to University aswell.
You have got loads of time on your side, so maybe during the school holidays you might want to try and get some experience of working in an airport or something aviation based.
Enthusiasm is of course a good thing, but don't get too far ahead of yourself... 1 step at a time!
M330
Best advice I can give to you at the moment is to concentrate on your GCSE's and A-Levels. If you don't get good enough grades in these then you can forget about applying to CTC! After your A-Levels, Id seriously consider going to University aswell.
You have got loads of time on your side, so maybe during the school holidays you might want to try and get some experience of working in an airport or something aviation based.
Enthusiasm is of course a good thing, but don't get too far ahead of yourself... 1 step at a time!
M330
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St Helier, MonarchA330 is exactly right in what he says. You are extremely young still. To get to flying whether in ctc or another way requires steps and an aweful lot of commitment. Its not all just tapping your fingers and waiting for school to finish so someone can shove you in a boeing or airbus. Focus on each step at a time and make sure you do them properly. This includes school, A levels etc. You will be really glad you did later on believe me! I am in my final year at university doing BCOM Aviation Management and it is something I will never regret. Definately look into getting a degree before flying. It alows for more knowledge and life experience as well as a backup incase you loose your medical etc. Apart from those serious reasons its also a HUGE load of fun.
The only advice I can give you is to focus on what you doing right now even though you may be bored. Doing well in areas like school make or break you later on when the competition is tough and you will be glad you put in the effort!
Good luck and hope you get sorted out there
Regards
Andrew
The only advice I can give you is to focus on what you doing right now even though you may be bored. Doing well in areas like school make or break you later on when the competition is tough and you will be glad you put in the effort!
Good luck and hope you get sorted out there
Regards
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...in addition to this, a bit of life experience would give you something to talk about during the selection phase! Believe me, there would be nothing worse than getting to phase 3 and dropping out because you have nothing to talk about!
By saying this, I am not implying in any way that becoming a Pilot or getting into CTC is an 'for those with age and wisdom' or anything like that, I started flying in NZ with them at the tender age of 21 and I was by no means the youngest on the scheme!
Also, as has been said, do look into university, not only does it give you something to fall back on, it does give you a taste of life away from home and ever more importantly, it also gives you a heads up on the kind of commitment to study that you will have to devote to those dreadded ATPLs.
I myself never went to uni and managed to get onto the course because I spent time productively after college. Also remember that being in an aviation related job isnt a prerequisite of getting in, it does help, and does illustrate your interest in the field of aviation, but just as equally important are jobs which flex your ability to show leadership, organisation, team work, etc etc, all the nice piloty things which would be vital in this industry!
I myself regret to a great extent not going to university, not only because I missed out on cheap drinks at the union, but also mainly because I stepped off that plane in NZ after moving straight out of my parents' house and felt very much in the deep end. Believe me, its one hell of a step up if you have never done it before and I found it quite daunting!
Every stage of the training at CTC comes thick and fast and my advice is get yourself prepared for it in advance!
Just food for thought mate, good luck with everything!
FBT
By saying this, I am not implying in any way that becoming a Pilot or getting into CTC is an 'for those with age and wisdom' or anything like that, I started flying in NZ with them at the tender age of 21 and I was by no means the youngest on the scheme!
Also, as has been said, do look into university, not only does it give you something to fall back on, it does give you a taste of life away from home and ever more importantly, it also gives you a heads up on the kind of commitment to study that you will have to devote to those dreadded ATPLs.
I myself never went to uni and managed to get onto the course because I spent time productively after college. Also remember that being in an aviation related job isnt a prerequisite of getting in, it does help, and does illustrate your interest in the field of aviation, but just as equally important are jobs which flex your ability to show leadership, organisation, team work, etc etc, all the nice piloty things which would be vital in this industry!
I myself regret to a great extent not going to university, not only because I missed out on cheap drinks at the union, but also mainly because I stepped off that plane in NZ after moving straight out of my parents' house and felt very much in the deep end. Believe me, its one hell of a step up if you have never done it before and I found it quite daunting!
Every stage of the training at CTC comes thick and fast and my advice is get yourself prepared for it in advance!
Just food for thought mate, good luck with everything!
FBT