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There are no hushkits for 742. Some 742s are Stage III compliant only with MTOW/flaps limitations, at full MTOW they are Stage II. I had somewhere a good list of 742 engine model/mtow combinations vs noise compliance but can't find it now.
Basically well maintained 742s are still good machines but only for low utilization or short and medium haul. Low hull values also helps to save on war risk insurance for Iraq and Afghanistan. 744 values has dropped a lot, they now same level what 742 used to be years ago. Fuel burn is one thing, but 747 classic maintenance is much more expensive. No surprise you will not see many of them soon.
Basically well maintained 742s are still good machines but only for low utilization or short and medium haul. Low hull values also helps to save on war risk insurance for Iraq and Afghanistan. 744 values has dropped a lot, they now same level what 742 used to be years ago. Fuel burn is one thing, but 747 classic maintenance is much more expensive. No surprise you will not see many of them soon.
Want to see DC-8's? Go to Ostend, plenty of them around.
Go to India and I see B757 freighters, China Southern have MD11s doing cargo. A few B727s around but they are in the minority.
I think your comment about MK being cowboys is out of place
Some good people working for MK who I have known or flown with. I wish them all the best in their job hunt.
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"744 values has dropped a lot, they now same level what 742 used to be years ago."
Maybe but 744 spares are very expensive compared to the 742 and that's why they will still be around for some time yet
Dont forget the 744 has been with us for, what, 22 years now? so some will be requiring expensive upkeep.
Maybe but 744 spares are very expensive compared to the 742 and that's why they will still be around for some time yet
Dont forget the 744 has been with us for, what, 22 years now? so some will be requiring expensive upkeep.
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I am perfectly aware of MK's history of accidents, back from the day they used to operate out of Ostend as Cargo D'or.... However your statement makes again no sense at all, do your self a favor and look at Air France's accident record, you'll see that they in fact have a total of 4 accidents since 1999 (as MK's), with a total of 22....
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Want to see DC-8's? Go to Ostend, plenty of them around.
Apparently MK's 747 also couldn't land at night at OST any longer, Ostend being one of the last heavens in Europe for noisy birds! Even there the classic would have been grounded completely between 23-06 hrs in future. In Manston, they have to pay a fortune for night curfew breaching.
Is MK now in administration? MIGHTY8 seems to be very quiet ? Should we wait "till tomorrow" for more news?
Arrow Cargo apparently going the same way as MK? See:
Arrow Cargo's future hangs in balance - Small Business - MiamiHerald.com
However your statement makes again no sense at all, do your self a favor and look at Air France's accident record, you'll see that they in fact have a total of 4 accidents since 1999 (as MK's), with a total of 22....
Air France are vastly bigger than MK and would fly a large multiple of hours for every one hour MK fly. For them to have the same number of losses in the same period makes their accident rate a small fraction of MKs.
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Hydroplane makes it look like Ostend is the only airport where the DC8-63's and 747-200's are accepted, which is completely wrong info.
These birds are still welcome at most of Europe's airports, since they comply with the EU regulations. They are just restricted for take-off between 2300-0600 as it is the case at many other airports. The landing charges and night surcharges are similar to those applicable for any aircraft operating at Ostend.
From the comments given by Hydroplane on either MK or the DC8 operators, it looks like he is as subjective as Snarfel, who in fact is a board member of Ostend's anti-airport and anti-aviation lobby called WILOO.
As far as MK is concerned this is a very sad story, whatever the reasons are for the ending of the company. I feel really sorry for the job losses involved.
These birds are still welcome at most of Europe's airports, since they comply with the EU regulations. They are just restricted for take-off between 2300-0600 as it is the case at many other airports. The landing charges and night surcharges are similar to those applicable for any aircraft operating at Ostend.
From the comments given by Hydroplane on either MK or the DC8 operators, it looks like he is as subjective as Snarfel, who in fact is a board member of Ostend's anti-airport and anti-aviation lobby called WILOO.
As far as MK is concerned this is a very sad story, whatever the reasons are for the ending of the company. I feel really sorry for the job losses involved.
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It has no relevance towards the hours flown and the fleet size, your statement was that no passenger airline would have such an accident rate. If you want to come up with irrelevant numbers and figures, is up to you, just remember MK isn't as old as AF... Time can only tell if MK would not be a safer airline then let's say an Air France. You learn from your mistakes and so do others, hopefully...
It has no relevance towards the hours flown and the fleet size, your statement was that no passenger airline would have such an accident rate. If you want to come up with irrelevant numbers and figures, is up to you, just remember MK isn't as old as AF... Time can only tell if MK would not be a safer airline then let's say an Air France. You learn from your mistakes and so do others, hopefully...
It has EVERYTHING to do with fleet size and hours flown. Air France have a fleet of 248 aircraft, MK Airlines about 8. In the last 20 years MK had 4 total hull losses, Air France the same number.
To have the same number of hull loses in the same time period as an airline 30 TIMES their size might be reason for concern.
If Air France had the same accident rate as MK then they would have had around 120 hull losses in the last 20 years, or one every other month. Something not even China Airlines or Korean Air got close to.
Obviously you learn from your mistakes but it's better to learn from other peoples. When it comes to crashing large aircraft there are quite rightly limits placed on how many times you can do it before the lesson sinks in.
A third level freight company operating knackered old aircraft on a shoe string budget is never going to be safer than a major airline in a first world country. I flew Air France earlier this year with no concern at all.
BTW These are rough figures to illustrate the point. If anyone has more accurate ones please post them.
To have the same number of hull loses in the same time period as an airline 30 TIMES their size might be reason for concern.
If Air France had the same accident rate as MK then they would have had around 120 hull losses in the last 20 years, or one every other month. Something not even China Airlines or Korean Air got close to.
Obviously you learn from your mistakes but it's better to learn from other peoples. When it comes to crashing large aircraft there are quite rightly limits placed on how many times you can do it before the lesson sinks in.
A third level freight company operating knackered old aircraft on a shoe string budget is never going to be safer than a major airline in a first world country. I flew Air France earlier this year with no concern at all.
BTW These are rough figures to illustrate the point. If anyone has more accurate ones please post them.
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I think they have. I've heard that some of the staff have received confirmation of their redundancy through the post. What a awful way to treat loyal staff!!!
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Liquidation?
I have presumed a liquidator has been appointed ahead of the Winding Up Court hearing on 16th May? Does anyone know who the liquidator is as I have not been told anything officially?
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Originally Posted by cybilair
I've heard that some of the staff have received confirmation of their redundancy through the post. What a awful way to treat loyal staff!!!
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Hydro Court Hearing
Hydro, you are right Sunday is an odd day for a hearing. I think the main point is the Winding Up Pettition was filed on the 12th April - the day the AOC went back and frankly, it doesn't matter when the hearing is its unlikely MK will be able to defend itself unless someone puts in an unfeasibly large sum of money and quick.
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Winding up
Wickerbill the winding-up hearing is actually in the companies court court on Wednesday 26th of May, meaning that the company is at risk of entering compulsory liquidation , as you mentioned
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Re-Start
Presumably the UK CAA will not allow a re-start of a bankrupt airline by the same owners? Isn't this in their rules? I guess it will be a flag of convenience, unless its not Mike Kruger at the helm.
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I can't really see MK coming back in whatever guise or AOC they try to use. Most of the business they had (Panalpina, Eurocargo, Gabon, Demavia etc) has gone to Allied Air who are now operating two MD11F's from World and Magma (the ex MK commercial boys) are using an Air Atlanta B747-200F for the far-east charter work etc.
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After the way the staff and crew were treated, the directors shouldn't be allowed to ever run a company again.
Even now the staff are unable to begin the process of claiming anything they are entitled to from the government because of these idiots.
Even now the staff are unable to begin the process of claiming anything they are entitled to from the government because of these idiots.