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N1N2:
While I don’t want to minimize the issues with the STN base structure, your example would apply in any situation where three pilots with different domiciles end their trip in or near one of the domiciles.
In reality, when one cuts through the tangle of gateway/STN travel credits, what Atlas has is a European base and a United States Base with an ANC satellite. If you live in one of the those three locations AND are “based” there things work out OK. However if you are trying to commute, which in most cases means from the continental U.S. to Europe, It is miserable.
While I don’t want to minimize the issues with the STN base structure, your example would apply in any situation where three pilots with different domiciles end their trip in or near one of the domiciles.
In reality, when one cuts through the tangle of gateway/STN travel credits, what Atlas has is a European base and a United States Base with an ANC satellite. If you live in one of the those three locations AND are “based” there things work out OK. However if you are trying to commute, which in most cases means from the continental U.S. to Europe, It is miserable.
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I gladly came to Atlas. No, I was not desperately unemployed. No, I was not on the Atlas medical plan. I remained on my Wife's. And no..I was not miserable to work with. The crews I flew with were outstanding and flying the 747 worldwide was a chance of a lifetime. I was honored and will forever be grateful for being given that opportunity. I will always have fond memories of my time here. If you were to interview everyone who has left recently one common theme will emerge. The company was a tad disingenuous about this whole STN situation. I will spare the rant because any Atlas pilot knows all the stories. It is my hope the company tells the new guys and girls the hardcore reality of this STN base and all that is involved. (They want I'm sure) I by no means meant this as a personal attack on the Atlas Pilot group. It is however anger directed directly at management. Bottom line, if your based stateside, gateway travel, etc. It's a great place to lay your hat. 
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It seems that the big problem with new pilots is the commute to Europe from the US. If a new hire was to live at STN would that solve the problems. Are Atlas pilots allowed to live in the UK or do they enter on short stay business visas or something similar. Does the company arrange the right to live and work in the UK???
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Here is an update. It appears our union efforts have finally closed the gap somewhat on the STN union busting base. This is subject to membership ratification, but I wouldn't expect a problem with that since it doesn't come out of any of the senior guys pockets.
Now, if we can only get the affected to recognize what the union efforts did for them despite the many hiring into a known condition in STN versus the number that suffered (furloughed, resigned, and displaced) at the hands of management and the STN base construct. I doubt it.
Message in MP3 Streaming Audio
And for those that didn't get the Atlas contract from before:
In PDF format
The T/A to follow.
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Now, if we can only get the affected to recognize what the union efforts did for them despite the many hiring into a known condition in STN versus the number that suffered (furloughed, resigned, and displaced) at the hands of management and the STN base construct. I doubt it.
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And for those that didn't get the Atlas contract from before:
In PDF format
The T/A to follow.
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STN update
Thanks for the update. The crew members who are affected suffered hardships, and is good news to those folks who can soon exercise their date of hire, not some ghost senority system. The travel will eventually solve a lot of problems. Kudos to the Atlas MGT. for going forward to embrassing a new horizon!
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NonU.S. national F/Es
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Following a conversation with some US colleagues - it depends how cheap you are. Hence why so many sideways riders are 'Second Officers' Not interested being an Engineer but, only looking for an upgrade to the front seats - preferably the left one.
Following a conversation with some US colleagues - it depends how cheap you are. Hence why so many sideways riders are 'Second Officers' Not interested being an Engineer but, only looking for an upgrade to the front seats - preferably the left one.
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What are the latest STN LOA nuts and bolts? This management will not give up anything for nothing. Exactly what does gateway mean? After all some of the gateway issues ended up in court which I heard was lost and now in the appeal yet to be determine. I think it was something like you have to include "imputed income" into your W-2. As far as a Ticket to EU to meet the a/c it could be quite costly when you consider the flexibility that is needed with AAWW. Have to purchase basically a few days before travel and coming home forget it, scheduling here is ever changing and you cannot plan on your return accurately. No sympathy on either ALPA or scheduling. I'm suspect this is not such a good thing. If you were given the opportunity to be provided a ticket and then have to claim imputed income but deny the ticket and Jump seat then this could be the beginning of a jump seat debacle and end to our js benefit. Many problems exist here at AAWW, and just think they have been highlighted as one of the top 10 stocks to own for the next 10 years, all this with Polar pilots being paid to sit at home while the non sched portion fly's overtime. It must be a very profitable company on the backs of the employees.
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Others will have better info on the details of the LOA. However to clarify, the taxation issue only comes up if you are going to or from your base. Since it is doubtful that the company would send a pilot to or from STN (where there is no flying) no imputed income should occur.
Or to put it another way, as long as the company travels a pilot to start an actual trip (AMS, GOT, FRA etc.) there should be no tax issues.
Or to put it another way, as long as the company travels a pilot to start an actual trip (AMS, GOT, FRA etc.) there should be no tax issues.
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LabDad,s request
Lab, it probably would not be a good idea for the Atlas pilot group or anyone for that matter, to publish on an open forum an unfinished document (finished meaning all signitures required). Intel says that this is a personal peace offering from senior management and it does require a level of privacy, less the offer be withdrawn. My two cents worth.
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The STN Gateway Travel LOA passed by a 73% margin. I'll post a copy of it after it's signing.
Hopefully this will provide some much needed relief for those displaced to STN and those hiring into into it.
Hopefully this will provide some much needed relief for those displaced to STN and those hiring into into it.
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Here is the copy of the STN Gateway travel LOA. Takes effect June 1, 2007. The company came out with a signed letter of intent on some of the more sloppy sections of language. I've run out of space on my server so I won't include it.
LOA here in PDF
and the associated map here in PDF
If your hiring on, expect STN and take a look at the contract posted earlier in this thread. That is what your going to have to live by. Despite the people interviewing you saying that they have integrity, don't believe them. They have been notorious at saying one thing while intentionally doing something completely contrary to get the meat into the seat.
LOA here in PDF
and the associated map here in PDF
If your hiring on, expect STN and take a look at the contract posted earlier in this thread. That is what your going to have to live by. Despite the people interviewing you saying that they have integrity, don't believe them. They have been notorious at saying one thing while intentionally doing something completely contrary to get the meat into the seat.
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second hand intel says the interview rate going quite poorly.
Not like ' the old days ' when word of mouth takes time to get out. Internet speed equals good pre interview intel about the dirt bags of the industry.
Not like ' the old days ' when word of mouth takes time to get out. Internet speed equals good pre interview intel about the dirt bags of the industry.