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Old 1st Jan 2022, 02:27
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Originally Posted by Oasis View Post
To be honest, re-opening of bases is the only way forward for Cathay to operate the airline efficiency for the foreseeable future.

It is a 180 from the policy to close them only a few months ago, but they have to be flexible and act as the battlefield changes.

It solves the problem of pilots bringing COVID in as you can isolate them on their layover, solves the mental health issue for pilots and avoids the unpredictable nature of the rules.

They need to operate the airline outside - in rather than the reverse.

I know they are working on it, but it is very slow, a day late and a dollar short.

and all of the very senior base Pilots they screwed?
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Old 1st Jan 2022, 03:09
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Originally Posted by Oasis View Post
To be honest, re-opening of bases is the only way forward for Cathay to operate the airline efficiency for the foreseeable future.

It is a 180 from the policy to close them only a few months ago, but they have to be flexible and act as the battlefield changes.

It solves the problem of pilots bringing COVID in as you can isolate them on their layover, solves the mental health issue for pilots and avoids the unpredictable nature of the rules.

They need to operate the airline outside - in rather than the reverse.

I know they are working on it, but it is very slow, a day late and a dollar short.
Does that mean I get my job back?
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Old 1st Jan 2022, 03:33
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Originally Posted by BuzzBox View Post
Does that mean I get my job back?
Not if you signed for any type of enhanced redundancy package unfortunately.

I suspect any talk of reopening the bases is pure conjecture. They’ve spent a decade trying to get rid of them and bring everyone back under a POS policy, this pandemic presented a perfect opportunity so why would they roll that all back now?

My best guess is they will see how many volunteers they get for these closed loops, then they’ll turn to temporary bases, which can I add are a carrot for signing up for closed loops, and then when this virus madness ends it’ll be back to the pineapple/jackfruit treatment.

I hope I am wrong, as opening bases will be a great result for many at CX. However, judging by the way they dealt with the bases over the past year, would anyone be confident that they won’t just repeat the same tactic again.
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Old 1st Jan 2022, 05:22
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Originally Posted by ACMS View Post
and all of the very senior base Pilots they screwed?
Mission accomplished
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Old 1st Jan 2022, 09:48
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Let's hope these cases spread like wildfire in HK. Good riddance to the old unvaccinated morons. Unfortunately it will change nothing about their BS zero covid strategy.
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Old 1st Jan 2022, 11:31
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Old 1st Jan 2022, 12:01
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Originally Posted by Oasis View Post
To be honest, re-opening of bases is the only way forward for Cathay to operate the airline efficiency for the foreseeable future.

It is a 180 from the policy to close them only a few months ago, but they have to be flexible and act as the battlefield changes.

It solves the problem of pilots bringing COVID in as you can isolate them on their layover, solves the mental health issue for pilots and avoids the unpredictable nature of the rules.

They need to operate the airline outside - in rather than the reverse.

I know they are working on it, but it is very slow, a day late and a dollar short.
A 180 degree turn to open bases since they closed them would be a 360 degree turn from the bases review of 2 years ago that recommended they remain open. The bonus of having an ever changing policy is management can always retrospectively claim they were right by selectively using a convenient past position.
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Old 1st Jan 2022, 12:59
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Originally Posted by KABOY View Post
what does that mean? It was the cabin crews not pilots that were tested positive?
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Old 1st Jan 2022, 13:15
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Thinking outside the box here: can’t they lease the freighters to AHK including the crews? They already have the 747 on their AOC and operate bases outside HKG?
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Old 1st Jan 2022, 13:31
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Please Saul, stop making sense. Cannot.
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Old 1st Jan 2022, 14:37
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SeaEggs, a final correction to the article that Kaboy linked has the statement, "An earlier version of this story said the crew members involved were pilots. Cathay Pacific has since clarified that the aircrew involved were cabin crew."

So yes, it looks as though they are cabin crew. Puts a whole new perspective on the case. I wonder where the mis-information came from initially, and if is was deliberate?



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Old 1st Jan 2022, 17:07
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Perhaps this article will help with a bit of perspective...

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/p...tural-immunity
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Old 1st Jan 2022, 23:36
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Originally Posted by anxiao View Post
SeaEggs, a final correction to the article that Kaboy linked has the statement, "An earlier version of this story said the crew members involved were pilots. Cathay Pacific has since clarified that the aircrew involved were cabin crew."

So yes, it looks as though they are cabin crew. Puts a whole new perspective on the case. I wonder where the mis-information came from initially, and if is was deliberate?
https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...es-2022-01-01/

CX media and spokes 'people' interchange pilot, cabin crew or aircrew to suit the key messaging.

In this case, the aircrew appear to be cabin crew. However, as they are most likely local cabin crew this would not suit the agenda of 'blame the expat pilots'. The use of 'aircrew' on this occassion feeds the illusion to the general population.

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Old 2nd Jan 2022, 01:31
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Good read there mngmt mole Spot on!
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Old 2nd Jan 2022, 01:40
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I consider the “aircrew” to have done HK a favour by importing Omicron. There has been plenty of time to prepare. Shame that Cathay is being made a scapegoat.
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Old 2nd Jan 2022, 01:53
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https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion...antine-failure

Aircrew around the world are watching on in disbelief as CX crew continue to volunteer for these unsustainable working practices whilst the government, general public and 'management' have turned their back on operating crew.

The only way this stops is if the crew body say enough is enough and those continuing to work under these dystopic practices stop dragging the rest of their colleagues and their families through another year of this nonsense.

Disgraceful.
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Old 2nd Jan 2022, 04:18
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Originally Posted by Pedalz View Post
https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion...antine-failure

Aircrew around the world are watching on in disbelief as CX crew continue to volunteer for these unsustainable working practices whilst the government, general public and 'management' have turned their back on operating crew.

The only way this stops is if the crew body say enough is enough and those continuing to work under these dystopic practices stop dragging the rest of their colleagues and their families through another year of this nonsense.

Disgraceful.
Spot on.
Hit a paywall on the article, anyone care to post?
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Old 2nd Jan 2022, 04:25
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When Cathay Pacific emerged from a near-death pandemic experience more than a year ago, fortified against further damage to its business with a HK$30 billion (US$3.8 billion) government cash injection, few could have anticipated that it would now be in even more strife. It has suspended long-haul cargo flights – a revenue lifeline – for a week while it adjusts to tough new aircrew quarantine requirements. It has only itself to blame after failure to impose quarantine discipline on its staff. We all pay the price.

The city is now braced for a local outbreak of the highly contagious Omicron variant, for which responsibility has already been laid at the door of Cathay aircrew who broke isolation protocols. The breach has apparently resulted in the first local coronavirus cases in more than 80 days. The government has now extended a vaccine bubble to more places including restaurants, meaning patrons must have at least one jab before Lunar New Year.
Hong Kong consumers set to take hit from Cathay cargo flight suspension
1 Jan 2022
Pandemic rules have found Cathay and its aircrew wanting. Non-compliance has damaged the airline’s relations with the government. Chief Executive Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor, rightly, summoned the airline’s chairman and chief executive to express her “grave concerns” after four aircrew violated home isolation rules. Such irresponsibility is to be condemned. The violations cannot be that uncommon. Cathay should have been more alert to the danger. Anti-virus “closed loop” crew assignments that keep them away from home for weeks, followed by quarantine, would test anyone’s forbearance. That is just one example of the rising collateral costs of a zero-tolerance policy towards the virus. Another is the damage to Cathay’s brand as one of the world’s top air-cargo operators, and to Hong Kong’s image as a cargo hub. Industry players say Hongkongers can expect to pay much more for fresh produce, daily necessities and electrical goods over coming weeks as shipping costs soar due to the suspension of long-haul cargo flights.

Vaccination remains the first line of defence. The February 1 deadline to get at least one jab before going to restaurants, cinemas and gyms appears to lack urgency, even if it allows for advance notice and for trades to adapt. “Before Lunar New Year” sounds flexible and we trust no opportunity will be lost to bring that forward.

The vexing question of why more people are seeking a booster jab than the first shot reflects the resistance that prevails among the unvaccinated, especially the over-80s. Measures that punish the most vulnerable have, wisely, been avoided so far. One government adviser has called for wet markets to be included in the extended vaccine bubble. It would be regrettable if that is what it takes to get people’s attention and boost the inoculation rate.
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Old 2nd Jan 2022, 04:41
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Such irresponsibility is to be condemned...Measures that punish the most vulnerable have, wisely, been avoided so far.
Meanwhile, just north of here is an indicator of where HKG may be heading.. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/171958...on-punishment/
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Old 2nd Jan 2022, 08:13
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Where I live (Manitoba Canada) we had 1494 new cases December 31st

1223 of those were people fully vaccinated

262 were not vaccinated

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